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Babylonian Talmud: Tractate NiddahNiddah 2aCHAPTER I
MISHNAH. SHAMMAI RULED: FOR ALL WOMEN1 IT SUFFICES [TO RECKON] THEIR [PERIOD OF UNCLEANNESS FROM THE] TIME [OF THEIR DISCOVERING THE FLOW].2 HILLEL RULED: [THEIR PERIOD OF UNCLEANNESS IS TO BE RECKONED RETROSPECTIVELY] FROM THE [PREVIOUS] EXAMINATION TO THE [LAST] EXAMINATION,3 EVEN [IF THE INTERVAL EXTENDED] FOR MANY DAYS. THE SAGES, HOWEVER, RULED: [THE LAW IS] NEITHER IN AGREEMENT WITH THE OPINION OF THE FORMER4 NOR IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT OF THE LATTER,5 BUT [THE WOMEN ARE DEEMED TO HAVE BEEN UNCLEAN] DURING [THE PRECEDING] TWENTY-FOUR HOURS6 WHEN THIS7 LESSENS THE PERIOD FROM THE [PREVIOUS] EXAMINATION TO THE [LAST] EXAMINATION, AND DURING THE PERIOD FROM THE [PREVIOUS] EXAMINATION TO THE [LAST] EXAMINATION WHEN THIS8 LESSENS THE PERIOD OF TWENTY-FOUR HOURS. FOR ANY WOMAN WHO HAS A SETTLED PERIOD IT SUFFICES [TO RECKON HER PERIOD OF UNCLEANNESS FROM] THE TIME SHE DISCOVERS THE FLOW: AND IF A WOMAN USES TESTING-RAGS WHEN9 SHE HAS MARITAL INTERCOURSE, THIS IS INDEED10 LIKE AN EXAMINATION WHICH LESSENS EITHER THE PERIOD OF THE [PAST] TWENTY-FOUR HOURS OR THE PERIOD FROM THE [PREVIOUS] EXAMINATION TO THE [LAST] EXAMINATION. HOW [IS ONE TO UNDERSTAND THE RULING THAT]11 IT SUFFICES [TO RECKON HER PERIOD OF UNCLEANNESS FROM] THE TIME SHE DISCOVERS THE FLOW'? IF SHE WAS SITTING ON A BED AND WAS OCCUPIED WITH RITUALLY CLEAN OBJECTS12 AND, HAVING LEFT THEM, OBSERVED A FLOW, SHE IS RITUALLY UNCLEAN WHILE THE OBJECTS13 REMAIN RITUALLY CLEAN. ALTHOUGH THEY14 HAVE LAID DOWN THAT SHE15 CONVEYS UNCLEANNESS FOR A PERIOD OF TWENTY-FOUR HOURS [RETROSPECTIVELY]16 SHE COUNTS [THE SEVEN DAYS OF HER MENSTRUATION]17 ONLY FROM THE TIME SHE OBSERVED THE FLOW.
GEMARA. What is Shammai's reason?18 — He is of the opinion that a woman19 should be presumed to enjoy20 her usual status, and the status of the woman21 was one of cleanness.22 And Hillel?23 — When is it said that an object is presumed to possess its usual status? Only when the unfavourable condition24 is not internal;25 but as regards a woman,
Niddah 2bsince what she observes [is a discharge] from her own body, it cannot be held that she is presumed to have her usual status.Wherein, however, does this1 essentially differ2 from that of a ritual bath of which we learnt: If a ritual bath3 was measured and found lacking, all purifications that have heretofore been effected through it, whether it was in a public4 or in a private domain,5 are regarded6 as unclean?7 According to Shammai8 the difficulty arises from 'heretofore'; while according to Hillel the difficulty arises, does it not, from the certainty; for, whereas in the case of the twenty-four hours' period9 of the menstruant [any terumah10 she touched] is only held in suspense, it being neither eaten nor burned,11 here12 the uncleanness is regarded as a certainty?13 — The reason14 there15 is that it may be postulated that the unclean person shall be regarded as being in his presumptive status16 and assumed17 not to have performed proper immersion.18 On the contrary! Why not postulate that the ritual bath shall be regarded as being in its presumptive status of validity and assume that it was not lacking?19 — Surely a lacking [bath] is before you. But in this case also,20 is not blood before you? — She has only just now observed it.21 In that case22 too, is it not23 lacking only just now?24 — What a comparison!25 In that case22 it might well be presumed that the water was gradually diminishing,26 but can it here also be presumed that she was gradually observing the flow?27 — What an objection is this! Is it not possible that she observed the blood only when it was coming in profusion?28 — In the former case29 there are two unfavourable factors30 while in the latter31 there is only one unfavourable factor.32 Wherein, however,33 does this31 differ from the case of the jug concerning which we have learnt:34 If one tested35 a wine jug for the purpose of periodically taking from it terumah [for wine kept in other jugs]36 and, subsequently,37 it was found to contain vinegar,38 all39 three days it is certain,40 and after that it is doubtful.41 Now does not this42 present an objection against Shammai?43 — The reason there44 is that it can be postulated that the tebel45 shall be regarded as having its presumptive status, and then it may be presumed that it had not been ritually prepared.46 On the contrary! Why not postulate that the wine be regarded as having its presumptive status47 and then it might be assumed that it had not become sour? — Surely it stands sour before you. But in that case also48 is there not blood before you? — She has only just now observed it. But in that case too49 is it not sour only just now? — What a comparison! In the latter case49 it might well be presumed that the wine turned sour by degrees,50 but can it also be said in the former case48 that she observed the flow by degrees?51 — What an objection is this! Is it not possible that she observed the blood only when it came in profusion? — In the former case49 there are two unfavourable factors52 while in the latter48 there is only one such factor.53 An incongruity, however, was pointed out between the case of the jug54 and that of the ritual bath:55 Wherein lies the essential difference between the two56 that in the latter case57 [the retrospective uncleanness is regarded as] a certainty while in that of the former58 [the uncleanness of the terumah is deemed] doubtful? — R. Hanina of Sura replied: Who is the author [of the ruling concerning the] jug? R. Simeon, who in respect of a ritual bath also regards [the retrospective uncleanness] as a matter of doubt; for it was taught:59 If a ritual bath was measured and found lacking all purifications heretofore effected through it whether it was in a public or in a private domain, are regarded as unclean.60 R. Simeon ruled: In a public domain they are regarded as clean but in a private domain they are regarded as being in suspense.61 - To Next Folio -
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Folio 2aCHAPTER I
MISHNAH. SHAMMAI RULED: FOR ALL WOMEN1 IT SUFFICES [TO RECKON] THEIR [PERIOD OF UNCLEANNESS FROM THE] TIME [OF THEIR DISCOVERING THE FLOW].2 HILLEL RULED: [THEIR PERIOD OF UNCLEANNESS IS TO BE RECKONED RETROSPECTIVELY] FROM THE [PREVIOUS] EXAMINATION TO THE [LAST] EXAMINATION,3 EVEN [IF THE INTERVAL EXTENDED] FOR MANY DAYS. THE SAGES, HOWEVER, RULED: [THE LAW IS] NEITHER IN AGREEMENT WITH THE OPINION OF THE FORMER4 NOR IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT OF THE LATTER,5 BUT [THE WOMEN ARE DEEMED TO HAVE BEEN UNCLEAN] DURING [THE PRECEDING] TWENTY-FOUR HOURS6 WHEN THIS7 LESSENS THE PERIOD FROM THE [PREVIOUS] EXAMINATION TO THE [LAST] EXAMINATION, AND DURING THE PERIOD FROM THE [PREVIOUS] EXAMINATION TO THE [LAST] EXAMINATION WHEN THIS8 LESSENS THE PERIOD OF TWENTY-FOUR HOURS. FOR ANY WOMAN WHO HAS A SETTLED PERIOD IT SUFFICES [TO RECKON HER PERIOD OF UNCLEANNESS FROM] THE TIME SHE DISCOVERS THE FLOW: AND IF A WOMAN USES TESTING-RAGS WHEN9 SHE HAS MARITAL INTERCOURSE, THIS IS INDEED10 LIKE AN EXAMINATION WHICH LESSENS EITHER THE PERIOD OF THE [PAST] TWENTY-FOUR HOURS OR THE PERIOD FROM THE [PREVIOUS] EXAMINATION TO THE [LAST] EXAMINATION. HOW [IS ONE TO UNDERSTAND THE RULING THAT]11 IT SUFFICES [TO RECKON HER PERIOD OF UNCLEANNESS FROM] THE TIME SHE DISCOVERS THE FLOW'? IF SHE WAS SITTING ON A BED AND WAS OCCUPIED WITH RITUALLY CLEAN OBJECTS12 AND, HAVING LEFT THEM, OBSERVED A FLOW, SHE IS RITUALLY UNCLEAN WHILE THE OBJECTS13 REMAIN RITUALLY CLEAN. ALTHOUGH THEY14 HAVE LAID DOWN THAT SHE15 CONVEYS UNCLEANNESS FOR A PERIOD OF TWENTY-FOUR HOURS [RETROSPECTIVELY]16 SHE COUNTS [THE SEVEN DAYS OF HER MENSTRUATION]17 ONLY FROM THE TIME SHE OBSERVED THE FLOW.
GEMARA. What is Shammai's reason?18 — He is of the opinion that a woman19 should be presumed to enjoy20 her usual status, and the status of the woman21 was one of cleanness.22 And Hillel?23 — When is it said that an object is presumed to possess its usual status? Only when the unfavourable condition24 is not internal;25 but as regards a woman,
Niddah 2bsince what she observes [is a discharge] from her own body, it cannot be held that she is presumed to have her usual status.Wherein, however, does this1 essentially differ2 from that of a ritual bath of which we learnt: If a ritual bath3 was measured and found lacking, all purifications that have heretofore been effected through it, whether it was in a public4 or in a private domain,5 are regarded6 as unclean?7 According to Shammai8 the difficulty arises from 'heretofore'; while according to Hillel the difficulty arises, does it not, from the certainty; for, whereas in the case of the twenty-four hours' period9 of the menstruant [any terumah10 she touched] is only held in suspense, it being neither eaten nor burned,11 here12 the uncleanness is regarded as a certainty?13 — The reason14 there15 is that it may be postulated that the unclean person shall be regarded as being in his presumptive status16 and assumed17 not to have performed proper immersion.18 On the contrary! Why not postulate that the ritual bath shall be regarded as being in its presumptive status of validity and assume that it was not lacking?19 — Surely a lacking [bath] is before you. But in this case also,20 is not blood before you? — She has only just now observed it.21 In that case22 too, is it not23 lacking only just now?24 — What a comparison!25 In that case22 it might well be presumed that the water was gradually diminishing,26 but can it here also be presumed that she was gradually observing the flow?27 — What an objection is this! Is it not possible that she observed the blood only when it was coming in profusion?28 — In the former case29 there are two unfavourable factors30 while in the latter31 there is only one unfavourable factor.32 Wherein, however,33 does this31 differ from the case of the jug concerning which we have learnt:34 If one tested35 a wine jug for the purpose of periodically taking from it terumah [for wine kept in other jugs]36 and, subsequently,37 it was found to contain vinegar,38 all39 three days it is certain,40 and after that it is doubtful.41 Now does not this42 present an objection against Shammai?43 — The reason there44 is that it can be postulated that the tebel45 shall be regarded as having its presumptive status, and then it may be presumed that it had not been ritually prepared.46 On the contrary! Why not postulate that the wine be regarded as having its presumptive status47 and then it might be assumed that it had not become sour? — Surely it stands sour before you. But in that case also48 is there not blood before you? — She has only just now observed it. But in that case too49 is it not sour only just now? — What a comparison! In the latter case49 it might well be presumed that the wine turned sour by degrees,50 but can it also be said in the former case48 that she observed the flow by degrees?51 — What an objection is this! Is it not possible that she observed the blood only when it came in profusion? — In the former case49 there are two unfavourable factors52 while in the latter48 there is only one such factor.53 An incongruity, however, was pointed out between the case of the jug54 and that of the ritual bath:55 Wherein lies the essential difference between the two56 that in the latter case57 [the retrospective uncleanness is regarded as] a certainty while in that of the former58 [the uncleanness of the terumah is deemed] doubtful? — R. Hanina of Sura replied: Who is the author [of the ruling concerning the] jug? R. Simeon, who in respect of a ritual bath also regards [the retrospective uncleanness] as a matter of doubt; for it was taught:59 If a ritual bath was measured and found lacking all purifications heretofore effected through it whether it was in a public or in a private domain, are regarded as unclean.60 R. Simeon ruled: In a public domain they are regarded as clean but in a private domain they are regarded as being in suspense.61
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