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             The Most Powerful

            Man In The World?

                             The "Black" Pope

               Count Hans Kolvenbach—The Jesuit’s General

                            4/15/00 RICK MARTIN

          So, you thought you were pretty well informed by now about all of the

          main players on the "conspiracy" playing field? You’ve maybe been

         hearing for years about (or bumped into on your own) the various

         elements of society who control our world from behind the scenes.

          You’ve gotten familiar with the role played by, for instance, the

          Khazarian Zionists (who invented the word "Jew" to disguise their

         adopted heritage, as distinguished from the biblical Judeans), or the role

          played by the Banksters (banking gangsters) controlling the economies

          of the world, by the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), the Trilateral

         Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Committee of 300 (the 17 wealthiest

          so‑called "elite" families)—the Rothschild's in England and Rockefellers

          in America and Bronfman's in Canada, and on and on, comprising the

         physical power structure of the New World Order puppets under the

         direction of darkly motivated, other‑dimensional "master deceivers"

         commonly known as Lucifer or Satan and their "fallen angel" cohorts.

          While all of those details contribute to understanding the Larger Picture,

          what you are about to read fills in a most important Missing Link in this

          entire structure. And I don’t mean a little side issue; I mean a link so

         central—yet so well hidden from general public view, and for so

         long—that even the most studied of "conspiracy theory" scholars

         probably have not put together much of the information that is going to

          be presented here.

          To call the following outlay "controversial" and "sensitive" is about as

          mild an understatement of the truth of the matter as can be made! This

         missing link changes the entire slant of the entire playing field!

          After months of anticipation and weeks of preparation, I was finally able

          to speak with Vatican Assassins author Eric Jon Phelps on Tuesday,

          March 14. There was simply no other way to cover Eric’s historic

          masterpiece spanning, literally, five centuries, than to just ask questions

         covering huge spans of time and major historical events. It took us

          almost four hours to accomplish the task, yet we could easily have gone

          on for another forty.

          We here at The SPECTRUM are simply unwilling to reduce the

         importance of this work by presenting it in a too distilled fashion. In fact,

          in order to share this material with at least some of the pertinent backup,

          Eric has granted us permission to print (directly after the interview)

         several excerpts from his soon‑to‑be‑published book which will help

          you in understanding certain aspects of this magnificently important and

          broad‑sweeping story. The missing link is surely a central link.

          Let’s call this story the "Jesuit‑Vatican connection" to the unfolding New

          World Order agenda. You make up your own mind just how absolutely

         central, yet well hidden, has been this link! There’s a good reason the

          secret Vatican library is so extensive and yet remains so intact from

         outside intrusion, despite the many others who would like to possess

          such a collection of information detailing much "censored" data about our

          true, otherworldly cultural heritage.

          When one reads a work like Vatican Assassins, one can’t help but

         reflect back on the purposely "adjusted" and watered down and boring

         moments in high school history class. Meanwhile, the true history of

          what has gone on is dynamic and full of calculated intrigue.

          In this business, I’ve heard and read a lot of things. But when I had to

          pick my jaw up off the floor during the reading of certain historical

         portions in Eric’s book—well, let me just say that Truth certainly is

         stranger, and far more interesting, than the many fictions we’ve been led

          to believe are historical fact. And yet The Truth does fit together like the

          pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.

          This book SHOULD be a best‑seller, but it is hardly likely to achieve

          such general attention—considering how well controlled and censored is

          the publishing business. Thus is the reason for our lengthy presentation of

          this most astonishing and critically important material here in The


          We are in a time of Truth being revealed from all directions. And there is

          probably no more fundamental, mind‑rattling, and previous

         notions‑shattering example of that than what is being presented here.

          The interview is directly followed by a number of pertinent excerpts from

          Eric’s eye‑opening book—which will be available July 1.

         [Editor’s note: It should be noted up‑front that the information

         presented below is the studied opinion of Eric Jon Phelps. We here at

          The SPECTRUM find much about his presentation of his historical

         research which meshes with and expands upon Truth which has been

         presented by many other authors in these pages and elsewhere. And

          that is good; Truth is Truth is Truth, and should all mesh.

         However, for the peace of mind of our unique readership—which

         typically has cultivated a more aware spiritual perspective than the

         general public—we do not want to give the impression that we agree

          with (or wish to promote) some collateral aspects of Eric’s

         presentation having to do with his personal "religious" convictions.

          The focus of those convictions follows a much more biblically

         conventional (literal) path—in stark contrast to the unconventional,

          questioning, wide‑angle vision of his historical material.

         Generally such opinions are simply allowed to stand on their

         own—for you to sort and interpret as you see fit—rather than being

         singled‑out to be addressed editorially. However, in this case, the

         practical side of Eric’s stated religious convictions include the

         condoning of some degree of violence (or violent protest) and use of

         armaments. And such convictions are very much the opposite of our

         philosophical position—for many reasons, not the least of which is

          the obvious Adversarial bait‑and‑entrapment which would result from

         choosing what we would consider to be low‑frequency responses to

         schoolroom Earth’s current challenges.

          Yet, if the perceptive reader penetrates "between the lines"

         thoughtfully, there is glimpsed a recurring commendable spiritual

         message in Eric’s commentary—of "Have the courage to speak The

          Truth" and "God helps those who help themselves"—which we

         certainly DO agree with wholeheartedly and have long supported


          We are in the time of the Great Awakening on this planet. The Light

          of Truth, intensifying with each passing moment, is nudging many to

          step forward and share what they know. Will such ones follow that

          nudge or continue to hide in fear? The answer to that question is

         perhaps the most important aspect of schoolroom Earth’s relentless

         testing at this critical time.

          One last‑minute footnote before beginning this interview: The Arts &

         Entertainment (A&E) cable television channel just started to air—on

          Easter Sunday evening!—a new two‑hour documentary called: The

         Vatican Revealed. Tape it so you can study it carefully; within the

          lines of dialog and some of those people chosen for commentaries

          are many, many clues to the true power of the Vatican over world

         affairs. It would, of course, be much more revealing to watch the

         A&E program AFTER having read and digested the following.]

         Martin: Before we begin, let me say a few words. The topic of your

          book is so comprehensive and covers, literally, all aspects of global

         control by the Jesuits, dating back to 1540. I would like to begin our

         conversation with a very important point of clarification so that our

          readers have something to hold onto while reading the historical narrative

          we are about to present. Let me also add that your book is one of the

          most compelling, dynamic, genuinely educational historical documents I

          have ever read. I want to tell you, I am impressed!

          You, literally, link every major global conflict and political assassination

          to the hands of the Jesuit Order. The Jews, as with many other groups

          you mention, have been the unwitting pawns in this Jesuit Agenda.

          Today, the present. I’m going to start here, and then we’re going to go

          way back in time and work our way up. But, I want to start HERE

         because it will give a foundation for going back in time.

          Today, who is the Superior General of the Jesuits, the so‑called "Black

         Pope" [black here refers to hidden, evil activities, not to race or

          color] who gives the orders to the actual Pope. Is it still Jean‑Baptist


         Phelps: Janssens, Frenchman. No, he passed away in 1964. Then

          Pedro Arrupe came to power. Then, after Arrupe died, in 1988, I

         believe, the present Jesuit General is Count Hans Kolvenbach. [See

          photo nearby.] I call him Count Hans Kolvenhoof.

         Martin: Let’s discuss this position of "General" and, in addition, who is

          this person, Count Hans Kolvenbach? Who does he serve? What are

          his origins? Where does he hail from?

          Phelps: The present General is a Dutchman, his nationality is Dutch.

         Martin: Where is he? Physically, where is he?

         Phelps: He resides in Rome, at the headquarters of the Jesuits, called

          the Church of Jesu. So, the Jesuit General resides in Rome at, what I

          just called, the Jesuit headquarters.

         Martin: The Church of Jesu, is that near the Vatican?

         Phelps: It’s not far from the Vatican, right. It’s in the same general area.

          It’s headquarters of the Knights of Malta.

         Martin: Is it part of Vatican City, proper?

         Phelps: Right, I believe, yes it is.

         Martin: Where does Satan fit into this picture, and what is the ultimate

          goal of the Jesuits, the so‑called Society of Jesus?

         Phelps: The Jesuit General, and the other high Jesuit Generals, they are

         sorcerers. They are Luciferians, and they worship what they would call

         Lucifer. They do not believe in Satan. They believe in Lucifer.

          Now, according to Alberto Rivera, he was invited—because he was a

          top Jesuit at the time in the late ’60s—he was invited to a "Black Mass"

          in Spain where there were quite a few top Jesuit Generals present. And

          he called it a "Black Mass". Well, when you’re involved in a "Black

         Mass", you’re involved in the worship of Lucifer, all dressed in their

          black capes and so on.

         Martin: I’m fascinated by Count Hans Kolvenbach because nobody in

          the world knows who this person is. I’ve never heard the name.

         Phelps: Let me just tell you that you can see his picture and his top

         Jesuits—just a second and I’ll get the book. The name of the book is

          called Jesuits: A Multi‑Biography, by Jean Lacoutre, and that is

         available, usually, in the bookstores. It was published in 1995.

          Jean Lacoutre is a Frenchman. He was a communist, is a communist. On

          the last page of the pictures in it, that is right adjacent to page 343, you

          see Peter Hans Kolvenbach. He’s the Jesuit General, and he looks like

          just a very evil individual. There’s a Black man, who’s a high Jesuit, he’s

          a 29 Superior Jesuit with his cosmopolitan General staff. One of the

         General staff looks like Ben Kingsley of Shindler’s List. There are six

          White men, and one Black man. And that’s his General staff.

         Martin: What is the process of choosing a successor General?

          Phelps: The High Jesuits elect him, and he’s elected for life—unless he

         becomes a "heretic".

         Martin: And the so‑called "High Jesuits" represent what group?

         Phelps: I would say that they’re the "professed", the high 4th Degree.

          When a Jesuit is professed, he is under the Jesuit Oath; he is under the

         "Bloody Oath" that I have in my book.

         Martin: Do we have permission to reprint that Oath in our paper?

         Phelps: Of course, absolutely.

         Martin: One of my questions has to do with the Oath and it’s similarity

          to the Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion, and I wrote that

         question before I got back to the Protocols portion of your book.

          Phelps: The Jesuits obviously wrote the Protocols because they have

         carried out every protocol in that little handbook. They have carried

         everything out. And, Alberto Rivera says—and he was a Jesuit—he was

         greatly maligned, not helped at all by the Apostate, Protestants, and

         Baptists in this country; he was helped, somewhat, by Jack Chick. Jack

          Chick published his story in six volumes, titled Alberto I, II, III, IV, V, &


         Alberto Rivera says that it was Jews aligned with the Pope who

         published the Protocols. Well, I tend to feel that it was just the Jesuits

         themselves because they, and they alone, were the ones who were able

          to bring this to pass.

          They’re the ones in the government. They’re the ones behind

         professional sports. The owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers is a Knight of

          Malta. The owner of the Detroit Lions is a Knight of Malta. All your top

          owners of these ball clubs, for the most part, are Knights of Malta,

         getting the people whooped up in this hoopla over games and sports,

          while they’re busy creating a tyranny. So, that was one of the things in

          the Protocols—that they would create "amusements".

         Another one they used was Walt Disney, 33rd‑degree

         Freemason—Disneyworld, Disneyland. Another one was Milton

         Hersey, with Hersey Park. They create all of these amusements and

          games and pastimes to get the people drunk with pleasure, while they’re

          busy overthrowing the Protestant form of government.

         Martin: Where does Las Vegas factor into all of this?

         Phelps: Las Vegas, well, for the most part, is controlled by the Mafia.

          But all the high Mafia families are Roman Catholic, and they are ALL

         subordinate to the Pope or to the Cardinal of New York, which is

         Cardinal O’Connor—because the Commission, the Mafia Commission

         resides in New York.

          Frank Costello was a member of the Mob Commission, and he was

         intimate, personal friends with Knight of Malta, Hollywood mogul, Joe

         Kennedy. And that has not changed.

          So, the High Knights are good, dear brothers with the High Mafia

         Dons—the Gambinos, the Lucchese, the Columbos, all of them. And

          they control Hollywood, not the Jews. It’s only Jews who are front‑men

          who are involved in Hollywood and working for the Mafia and for the

          Cardinal, just like in politics it would be Arlen Spector. Arlen Spector

          was Spelly’s [Cardinal Spellman’s] Jew in the assassination [of

         President Kennedy], and he would never say a word about it.

         Martin: Now, as we go through here, if there’s anything that you don’t

          want me to print, please let me know because, literally, I’m going to

          print everything we say in this conversation.

         Phelps: That’s fine, that’s fine with me because it needs to be said.

         Martin: Let’s get back to Count Hans Kolvenbach. I want to shine the

         spotlight on this guy for just a little bit here. Let’s talk about him. What

          does he do? Who is he? Let’s talk about his position as "General". How

          do they exercise this control over the Pope? Does the Pope know he’s a


         Phelps: Ok, one question at a time. So, which question do you want me

          to deal with?

         Martin: Let’s just shine the light right on the Count.

         Phelps: The Jesuit General, ok.

         Martin: Let’s start there, and you tell me everything you want to tell me

          about that position.

         Phelps: The Jesuit General is the absolute, complete, and total dictator

          and autocrat of the Order. When he speaks, his provincials move. The

         provincials are his major subordinates. There are around 83 provincials

          right now.

          As I understand it, the Jesuit Order has divided the world into 83

         regions. Ok? For each region, there is a Jesuit provincial. There are 10

         provincials in the United States. There is one for Central America. There

          is one for Ireland. They’ve divided up the world into these provinces.

          So it’s old Babylonian provincial government, centered in

         Nebuchadnezzar or the Jesuit General himself; so it’s strictly a Roman

          form of government where all the states or provinces are subordinate to

          this worldwide sovereign.

          The Jesuit General exercises full and complete power over the Order.

          He meets with his provincials. When they decide to start a war or an

         agitation, he gets the information from the provincial of that country, how

          best to go about this, the demeanor of the people, and then he uses

         legitimate grievances to foam an agitation—like the 1964 Civil Rights

         Movement. That was ALL a Jesuit agitation, completely, because the

          end result was more consolidation of power in Washington with the

          1964 Civil Rights Act that was written by [the longtime President of the

         University of Notre Dame, the Reverend] Theodore Hesburgh.

          The Jesuit General rules the world through his provincials. And the

         provincials then, of course, rule the lower Jesuits, and there are many

         Jesuits who are not "professed", so many of the lower Jesuits have no

          idea what’s going on at the top. They have no concept of the power of

          their Order.

          It’s just like Freemasonry. The lower  have no idea that the High Shriner

         Freemasons are working for the Jesuit General. They think that they’re

          just doing works and being good people. But the bottom line is that the

          high‑level Freemasons are subject, also, to the Jesuit General because

          the Jesuit General, with Fredrick the Great, wrote the High Degrees, the

          last 8 Degrees, of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry when Fredrick

         protected them when they were suppressed by the Pope in 1773.

          So, you have the alignment with the Jesuit Order and the most powerful

         Freemason they had in the craft, Fredrick the Great, during their

          suppression. That is an irrefutable conclusion. And then, when you see

          the Napoleonic Wars, the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars

         carried out by Freemasonry, everything Napoleon did, and the Jacobins,

         whatever they did, completely benefited the Jesuit Order.

          It’s to this end that Alexander Dumas wrote his The Count Of Monte

         Cristo. The Count is the Jesuit General. Monte=Mount, Cristo=Christ.

          The Count of the Mount of Christ. Alexander Dumas was talking about

          the Jesuit General getting vengeance when the Jesuits were suppressed,

          and many of them were consigned to an island, three hours sailing, West,

          off the coast of Portugal. And so, when the Jesuits finally regained their

          power, they punished all of the monarchs of Europe who had

         suppressed them, drove them from their thrones, including the Knights of

          Malta from Malta, using Napoleon.

          And Alexander Dumas, who fought for the Italian patriots in 1848, to

          free Rome from the temporal power of the Pope, wrote many books

          and one of the books was to expose this, and that was The Count Of

          Monte Cristo.

          So, when you read that book, bear in mind that it’s really a satire on the

          Jesuit Order regaining their power in France. The Count of Monte

          Cristo has an intelligence apparatus that can’t be beat. Well, that’s the

          Jesuit Order.

          But the Count doesn’t get what he really ought to have, or his last wish,

          and that’s the love of woman. He gains back all of his political power; he

          gains back everything he lost; but he doesn’t have the love of a woman.

          And THAT is the Jesuit Order. They have no women. They have no

          love of a woman. Because to have a wife, to have a woman, means you

          have an allegiance to your wife and family, and you cannot obey the

         General. That’s why they will NEVER be married, and that’s one of the

          great KEYS to their success.

          They can betray a nation and walk away. They can betray all the Irish

         Catholics getting on the Titanic, and walk away. They can betray us in

         Vietnam and walk away. They can betray us every time we go to the

         hospital and get radiated and cut and drugged, and walk away, because

          it’s "for the greater glory of God"—Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam: the

         greater glory of the god who sits in Rome.

          Martin: What is the ULTIMATE goal of the Jesuits?

         Phelps: Their ultimate goal is the rule of the world, with the Pope of

          their making, from Solomon’s rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. That’s their

         ultimate goal.

         Martin: And why is Solomon’s Temple rebuilt so important?

         Phelps: Because the Jesuits have always wanted that. When Ignatius

          Loyola first started the Order, one of the first things he did was, he

          wanted to go to Jerusalem and set up the Jesuit headquarters there. So,

          he went there, he tried to do it and failed, came back, went to school,

         started his Latin studies, etc. Maybe it might be a good idea to just

          review a little bit about Ignatius Loyola.

          Martin: Yes.

         Phelps: Ok, Ignatius Loyola was a Spanish soldier, and he was

         wounded at a battle between the French and the Spanish, and his leg

          was shattered. Well, the French General, because Loyola was very

          brave in conflict, ordered his own doctors to attend Loyola. So they set

          the leg and sent him back to his home—which, of course, he was royalty

          to the Counsel of Loyola in Spain, in the area of the Basques.

         Loyola, through his series of desiring to regain his leg—it had healed

         improperly, so he made a rack where he would stretch the leg, with

         severe, horrible, awful pain—and trying to stretch this leg to get it back

          to normal shape, he endured awful, terrible pain. He had it rebroken,

          again, a couple of times and it still did not heal properly, so he had a

         perpetual limp. He could no longer be the courtier among women, and

          as a result, he went into this depression, and he then had this vision of

          the saints, etc., etc., and he wrote his spiritual exercises.

          I will stop at the spiritual exercises, just for a minute, but I’ll take up

          from there. Loyola then wanted to form an army, but when this

          happened with his spiritual exercises, those spiritual exercises would be

          basic training for all of his Jesuits. That’s what they will ALL go through.

          That’s what every Jesuit goes through today.

          One of the maxims of the spiritual exercises is that if my superior says

         "black is white and white is black", then that’s the way it is. That is in his

         spiritual exercises. That is what is quoted in JFK, when Kevin Costner is

         telling his people: "Hey, people, we’ve got to start thinking like the CIA.

          Black is white and white is black." That was a Jesuit giveaway that the

         Jesuits produced that movie, because they’re quoting Ignatius Loyola in

          that movie from his spiritual exercises.

          So, Loyola had an indomitable will. He had a will of steel, and he set his

          mind to regain back what the Papacy had lost to the Reformation. And

          so, he went to the Pope, and the Pope in 1540 then created the Jesuit

          Order. But this man is a soldier, he’s a lawyer, and he put together a

          legion of soldiers and warriors to get back what Rome had lost, as well

          as institute a World Government for the Pope, from Jerusalem. This was

          in 1540.

          He started the Order in 1536. He was arrested by the Inquisition, and

          he was released, and he went to the Pope; he threw himself at the feet of

          the Pope. He would be completely at his service. The Pope chartered

          him, and that Pope was Pius III. The Pope chartered them, created the

          Jesuit Order; now he has Papal protection, and they began their awful

         history of deeds of blood. And war after war after war after war, they’re

          all attributed to the Jesuit Order in some way. Catholic nobles, with lots

          of money, donated castles and schools and money to the Jesuit Order.

         Virtually everything they own has been given to them or stolen by them.

          Of course, they stole all of the fortunes of the Jews in World War II.

          They stole all their gold, all their assets and everything, whenever they

          went into a country. What’s just been released is NOTHING compared

          to what they’ve taken.

          In Edmond Paris’s book, printed by Ozark Publications, called The

         Vatican Against Europe, it gets into great detail of what they did. It calls

          it—the last 30 years of war is all attributable to the Jesuits, their

         massacres of the Serbs and Jews, etc. But Edmond Paris did not

         understand that the Jesuit General—and this is one of the most important

          points I want to make about Von Kolvenbach—the Jesuit General is in

         complete control of the international intelligence community: that’s the

          CIA, the FBI, the KGB, the Israeli Mossad, the German BND, the

         British SIS. The Jesuit General is in COMPLETE CONTROL of the

          entire intelligence apparatus—FBI, every bureaucratic agency in this

         country, all of it; he is in complete control of it.

          So, whenever he wants to find something out about an individual, they

          put in the Social Security number, and everything from all of the

         intelligence apparatus kicks‑in and he and his provincials can review

         everything about that man. Credit cards, you name it, everything that’s

         attached to Rome’s social security number, which FDR put upon us in

          1933 with the help of Spellman; at the time, I believe he was

         Archbishop, or maybe it was Cardinal Hayes—but Rome was behind

          FDR in putting him in office.

          The couple of things that he did was implement social insecurity, the

          income tax, and recognizing Joseph Stalin’s bloody Jesuit USSR

         government. So, with the giving of us the Social Security number, that is

          Rome’s number—that’s why I refuse to use it—and that’s why they

          want everybody using it for everything: driver’s license, tax return, credit

          card, everything you do, that number is you and that number is Rome’s


         Martin: Let me just back‑up here for a minute. What comes to mind is

          Louis Freeh, head of the FBI.

          Phelps: Roman Catholic, good altar boy. Probably a Knight of

         Columbus; I can’t prove it. But anybody with that kind of power has got

          to be a Knight of Columbus.

          And the Knights of Columbus implement Jesuit politics. And Louis

          Freeh was the one behind the Waco atrocity and the Oklahoma City

         bombing atrocity. And his top sniper was a Japanese Roman Catholic

          named Lon Horiuchi.

          So, it’s Roman Catholics in control, Knights in control of the FBI, who

         carried out all of this killing. And those two men, Louis Freeh and Lon

         Horiuchi are personally accountable to Cardinal O’Connor of New

          York. And Cardinal O’Connor of New York is the most powerful

          Cardinal in the country. He is the military vicar. And that’s why Bush

          kissed his fanny for going to Bob Jones, because Cardinal O’Connor is

          the King of the American Empire. And he rules his Empire from that

         Palace, St. Patrick’s Cathedral, "the little Vatican".

         Martin: And is he in contact, do you think, with Kolvenbach?

         Phelps: Of course. O’Connor himself is not a Jesuit, but the Jesuits are

          like the SS of the Catholic Church. They maintain order.

          And the ones closest to him who maintain order are the Jesuits of

         Fordham University. Now, one of them—the head of Fordham

         University, I believe he is an Irishman, is also a member of the CFR

         [Council on Foreign Relations]. And I have that right here in the

          Annual Report of the CFR of 1993. Those Jesuits at Fordham maintain

         semblance and rule over the Cardinal in New York. And, of course, the

         powerful Jesuits of Fordham include Avery Dulles and John Foster

         Dulles, one of the writers of the book on the Second Vatican Council.

         Martin: Let’s back‑up now, let’s go back. What’s the Council of


         Phelps: The Council of Trent was the response of Rome to the

         Protestant Reformation. Remember—the Protestant Reformation

         brought us all of the political liberty that we know of today. There’s no

          such thing as national sovereignty without the Reformation. There’s no

          such thing as private rights without the Reformation. There’s no such

          thing as the Law of Nations, as we know of it today, of Montesquieu

          and the others, without the Reformation.

          So, when the Reformation came with their doctrines of salvation by

          grace through faith alone, and that there was no need for the priesthood

          to go to Heaven—that all we need is salvation in Christ, and Romans

          1:17: the righteous shall live by faith. When the Reformation came, it

         completely stripped Rome of its spiritual power. The priests were no

          longer wanted because the people were getting the word of God in a

          Bible, specifically in Holland, England, and Germany. And so, with these

          great revivals breaking forth and the Reformation happening, nations

          were breaking away from the power of the Pope. The Holy Roman

          Empire was breaking up. Charles V, the Emperor, resigned and became

          a monk and a gardener. So, the Lord was moving mightily in breaking

          the power of the Holy Roman Empire, started by Charlemagne and the


          Well, this was not good for Rome because they were losing lots of

          money. The nations were not paying "Peter’s pence" anymore, which

          today we call "foreign aid" in this country. And so the Pope was very

          upset about his.

          What’s he going to do? These nations are breaking away from us;

         they’re not under our temporal or spiritual power; and it’s very

         important to remember that the Pope claims two powers—spiritual and

         temporal—and with the breaking of his spiritual power, he then lost his

         temporal power. In other words, he no longer had the ability to rule the

          people through the king of the country, because the king was breaking

          away, like Henry VIII.

          So, Henry VIII broke away from the Roman Church and formed the

          Church of England; he no longer was subject to the Pope. This was

         happening in England, in Germany, in Holland, and other places.

          As a result of this, the Devil raised up Ignatius Loyola with his

         demonisms, his "spiritual exercises" and—because Loyola had been a

          member of the Spanish Alumbrados, which is what we call the Illuminati

          today, and he used the Jesuit Order to attempt to regain back what had

          been taken by the Reformation—what the Lord had done through

         Luther, Calvin, and Knox. And, by the way, Luther, Calvin, and

         Knox—none of those men died violent deaths. They all lived to older

          age and died peacefully, amidst the power of the Jesuit machinations.

          The Council of Trent consists of 25 Sessions. Those 25 Sessions

         accurse and condemn all the doctrines of the Reformation. It condemns

         anybody who does not believe that the literal Jesus Christ is in the host

          [holy communion bread], and that his literal blood is in the wine. That’s

          called transubstantiation. Anybody who does not believe that is an

         accursed anathema. Anybody who believes that their salvation is outside

          the Catholic Church is accursed anathema. Anybody who believes in

          justification by grace through faith—anathema, accursed. Anybody who

         believes that the Pope is not the vicar of Christ—accursed, anathema.

          You see, all of these doctrines were being put forth as a result of reading

          the Bible, which produced the Reformation, and so the Jesuits accursed

         everything that the Reformers were preaching. This is all in Law called

          the Council of Trent.

          In the 4th Session, which is probably the most important Session, the

         Jesuits condemn freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and freedom

          of conscience. So, no man has the right to choose his own religion; no

          man has the right to publish what he feels is the truth; and no man has the

          right to freedom of conscience.

          Those rights were secured by our Baptist/Calvinist forefathers in the

          First Amendment. The man who wrote the First Amendment was James

         Madison, who was a Baptist/Calvinist, and he was told by that

         Baptist/Calvinist in Virginia, Doc. John Leland: "If you don’t secure all

          those rights, Virginia will not ratify the Constitution." Virginia was a

         Baptist/Calvinist state.

          So, we have a warfare between the Council of Trent and the doctrines

          of the Reformation, particularly as outlined by John Calvin in his

         Institutes Of The Christian Religion. Calvin [1536] wrote the Institutes

          Of The Christian Religion, he finished it when he was 27, and he

         dedicated it to the King of France. And because the Jesuits so hated

          him, he was driven from France and he resided in Geneva to the day of

          his death, when he became Governor of Geneva. It’s Calvin and his

          Institutes Of The Christian Religion vs. Loyola and his Council of

          Trent, if you want it sewed‑up in two major documents.

         Martin: Council of Trent was what year?

         Phelps: From 1545‑1563, eighteen years. And Trent is a little town in

          Italy. So, it was a Council that took place in the town of Trent, Italy.

          The Presbyterian Westminster Confession And Faith that was finished

          in 1648, after the 30 Years War, is another extension of Calvin’s

          Institutes, and is what the Church of Scotland and the Covenanters went

          by when they resisted the powers of Rome and England. That document

          is a major document, and it’s not the new Westminster Confession, it’s

          the old one of 1648, where they called the Pope the man of sin, that

          Roman Anti‑Christ, and they also denounced anti‑Christian tyranny.

          And that it is their duty, to use what they call "the sword of the spirit",

          which is the Word of God, which we read in Ephesians, Chapter 6, and

         "the sword of just defense"—the gun, the sword.

          So, us Calvinists believe that there is a time for peace and a time for

          war, and we do not refuse to go to the battlefield when it’s necessary. It

          was the Calvinists who gave us our political liberty in England with

         Cromwell. He was a Calvinist and an independent Baptist. It was

         Calvinists in Holland who gave the Dutch their political liberty, with

          William of Orange, and later his son, Prince Maurice, and then later, in

          our great country, when it was Washington, the Freemason who did not

          go into that Masonic Lodge that last 30 years of his life—in his own

         words—who was a Baptist and a Calvinist. He was baptized in the First

         Baptist Church of New York by one of his captains, Pastor Gano, all

         surrounded by Calvinists.

          That’s why they didn’t surrender at Valley Forge; that’s why, when they

          were naked, when they went through the snow, barefoot, they endured

          that because they were Bible‑believing Calvinists and they refused to

          submit to the tyranny of King George, who was controlled by the


          And that is the soul of our country. If we lose that soul, we’ve lost

         everything. And those very same Baptists, in the Second Amendment,

         secured their right to bear arms, because they secured the right, the

         "sword of just defense". And the "sword of the spirit" is contained in the

          First Amendment, the right to have the Bible never taken from them. The

          two swords of Calvinism are secured in the First and Second

         Amendments. Without those first two Amendments, all the others are


         Martin: Well, I got to my question #2. So, let’s go to #3 of the seventy.


          How does Shriner Freemason President Harry Truman’s signing into law

          of the Emergency War Powers Act of 1950 factor into the Jesuit


         Phelps: First of all, Harry Truman, who the Japanese called "Dirty

         Harry"—when they heard the movie Dirty Harry came out, they thought

          it was a movie about Harry Truman, according to my Japanese pastor

         friend, Daniel Fuji, who has passed away.

          Harry Truman was put in office by the Jesuits, the Pensergast

         Democratic machine in Missouri. Harry Truman takes over after FDR’s

          murder, because he was murdered in the home of Bernard Baruch.

          When he did that, he then finished up the war with the hoax called the

         dropping of the nuclear bombs, to purposely create this greater hoax

          called the Cold War, that would enable the Vatican to knock over

         country after country after country, and replace the leaders with

         dictators, subordinate to the Pope. That was the purpose of the Cold


          And so, when Harry Truman in 1950 signed into law the Emergency

          War Powers Act, the Cold War was in full force. They were building

          bomb shelters, etc. So the nation was in kind of a frenzy.

          When he signed this into law, it put the whole country under military or

         martial law, and that’s when the flags in every courtroom, state and

         federal, began to be changed. And every state flag and every U.S. flag is

          now trimmed in gold fringe. And whenever you see a flag trimmed in

          gold fringe, that means that it is the flag of the Commander‑in‑Chief.

          Now, if it’s the state flag, it means that’s the flag of the governor, as

         Commander‑in‑Chief. And if it’s the federal flag, or the national flag,

          more correctly, it’s the flag of the Commander‑in‑Chief in Washington.

          So, all your courts are nothing more than courts of military rule. They all

         proceed with summary procedures. The jury has no power of jury

         nullification. And they are simply enforcing the laws of the Empire, which

          I call 14th Amendment America, which is a military‑style, King of

         England‑style country. The courts are nothing more than courts of the

          king’s bench, as you can see in Blackstone’s Commentaries.

          And the banks, as you walk into every bank, they all have a flag trimmed

          in gold fringe. The bank is what England would call, in Blackstone’s day,

          the king’s bank. So, we have the king’s bank, and we have the king’s

          bench. And it’s run according to military rule, according to Berkheimer’s

          great work Military Rule And Martial Law, published in 1914.

          When Harry Truman did this, there was a consummation of a great plan

          to put us under the Emergency War Powers Act and, actually, a war

          rule. "Daylight savings time" is what was called "war time". This country

          only went to daylight savings time during World War II, and they called

          it, at that time, war time. So, nothing’s changed. We’ve never gone back

          to not turning back our clocks. We’re still on war time. The income tax

          is a war tax. It was called a victory tax in 1942.

          So, people are paying a war tax, they’re under war time, they’re under

          an emergency war powers act, and the courts are war courts.

         Martin: Regarding the assassination of President John Kennedy, which

          could take this entire interview, you say that the assassination was

         ordered by the Jesuit General, executed by Pope Paul VI, and carried

          out by the "American Pope", Francis Cardinal Spellman—who, in turn,

          used the Knights of Malta, Shriner Freemasons, Knights of Columbus,

          and Mafia Dons, including the FBI and CIA, to carry out the order from

          Rome. Would you explain why you believe your particular theory on the

         assassination to be an accurate representation of the facts?

         Phelps: Sure. Alright, number one: The powers that be are properly

         outlined [in his book], and proven through two centuries of showing

          how it’s all been put together. Now, as to why, I will be conservative

          and stick with Fletcher Prouty’s reasons, that he outlined in his JFK and

          also his other book called The Secret Team.

          The reason why Kennedy was assassinated was he wanted to end the

         Vietnam War, and he wanted to end the rule of the CIA. That begets

          two questions: Did Rome want the Vietnam War? And, did Rome

         control the CIA? The answer is yes on both counts.

          We know, on its face, that the Vietnam War was called "Spelly’s

         War"—Cardinal Spellman’s war. He went over to the warfront many

          times and he called the American soldiers the "soldiers of Christ". The

          man who was the Commander of the American forces was a Roman

         Catholic, CFR member, possibly a Knight of Columbus, I don’t know,

          but he was General William Westmoreland.

          So, Westmoreland was Cardinal Spellman’s agent to make sure that

          war was prosecuted properly. And another overseer of Westmoreland

          was Cardinal Spellman’s boy, Lyndon Baines Johnson. Lyndon Baines

         Johnson was a 33rd‑degree Freemason. He was also part of the

         assassination, with J. Edgar Hoover, another 33rd‑degree Freemason.

          And Johnson went to Cardinal Spellman’s death at St. Patrick’s

         Cathedral, and the picture can be seen in Cooney’s work The American

          Pope. So, Johnson was completely at the beck and call of Cardinal

         Spellman through Cartha DeLoach, the 3rd‑in‑control of the FBI.

         According to Curt Gentry, in his Hoover: The Man And The Secrets,

         DeLoach had a phone at his bedside direct to Johnson, and Johnson

          could call him anytime. DeLoach was a Knight of Malta, subject to


         Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, why? Spellman was controlled by

          the Jesuits of Fordham. Why did the Jesuit General want the Vietnam

          War? The people of Vietnam, the Buddhists, were unconvertible. They

          would not convert to Catholicism. They didn’t need Rome.

          There had been a Jesuit presence in Vietnam for centuries, so it had

          been decided that about a million or so Buddhists would have to be

         "purged". They would later continue this purge of Cambodia, with Pol

          Pot, and the purge is yet for Thailand. It was a purging of Laos,

         Cambodia, and Vietnam of all these Buddhists, just like they purged the

         Buddhists of China with Mao Zedong, because Mao Zedong was

         completely controlled by the Jesuits. So, they wanted the Vietnam War.

          The other thing is that Rome is in control of the drug trade. The Vatican

         controls all of the drug trade—all of the heroin, all of the opium, all of the

         cocaine, everything going around in Columbia.

          Columbia has a concordat with the Pope. A concordat is a treaty with

          the Pope. Hitler had a concordat. Mussolini had a concordat. Franco

          had a concordat. They want to set up a concordat here, which was the

          reason for Reagan formally recognizing the sovereign state of Vatican

          City in 1984. The greatest traitor we ever had was Ronald Reagan.

          So, they had a concordat. Columbia has a concordat. Do you think that

          drugs running out of Columbia, with a country that has a concordat with

          Rome, is not controlled by Rome? If Rome didn’t want the drug trade

          out of Columbia, they’d end the concordat. The whole drug trade is run

          by high Mafia families out of the country of Columbia, subject to the

          Jesuit General.

          And the Jesuit General ran the Opium trade, a couple of centuries ago,

          out of China. They ran the silk trade, the pearl trade. The movie Shogun

          is but a slight scratching of the surface of the Jesuit "black ships" that

         trafficked in all of this silk and pearls and gold and opals and everything

          they could pull out of the East, including opium.

          The Vietnam War was to consolidate and control this huge massive

          drug‑trade that would inundate every American city with drugs, being

         brought in by the CIA with their Air America, and then distributed by the

         Trafficante family throughout the United States—Santos Trafficante out

          of Miami.

          So we have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the drug trade.

          We have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the assassination of


          The first reason why the Jesuit General [at that time, Jean‑Baptist

         Janssens] wanted Kennedy out of the way was because he was going

          to end the Vietnam War.

          The second reason is, he wanted to end the reign of the CIA, because

          the CIA had betrayed him in the person of McGeorge Bundy, by not

          giving the cover to the Cuban patriots to retake Cuba from that Roman

         Catholic, Jesuit‑trained, grease‑ball bastard—he was a bastard, his

          father was a Nazi—Fidel Castro.

         Kennedy was betrayed by the CIA at the Bay of Pigs invasion, which

         sacrificed all the patriots on the shores of the Bay of Pigs there, so

          Castro had no real opposition. This was the same tactic, used by the

          CIA and the KGB at the top, working together with Angleton controlling

          it, in the Hungarian Revolution, when the CIA fomented that revolution,

          and then betrayed all of those patriots into the hands of the Soviet army

          and KGB, which infuriated certain top CIA officials.

          It’s the same tactic: you raise up a revolution and you sacrifice the men

          who truly want to resist. When that happened, when McGeorge Bundy

         stopped the air cover of the Bay of Pigs invasion, that ended that

         resistance to Castro and it enthroned him into power. And, of course, it

          was meant to be by the Jesuits because they HAD trained him. So now

         Kennedy looks bad. He’s got egg all over his face. What does he want

          to do? He signs a Memorandum, according to Fletcher Prouty, and

          takes all of the power away from the CIA, and gives it to the Joint

          Chiefs of Staff.

          The CIA was built by the Knights of Malta. One of the founders of the

          CIA was "Wild" Bill Donovan, an Irish Roman Catholic, who are the

          most fanatical, and his brother was a Dominican priest, Vincent. So, the

          CIA was founded by this high Roman Catholic, the first head, to solidify

          the Catholic or the Vatican control of it.

          I’m not against the Catholic people; I’m against Rome’s hierarchy. The

         American Catholic people know NOTHING of what’s going on. And if

          they did, there would be a march on St. Patrick’s tomorrow morning.

          So, as I’m against the hierarchy, I’m showing that Kennedy was against

          the Vietnam War, and he was going to do away with the CIA.

          Well, the Jesuits had brought in all of their top Nazi SS soldiers into the

          CIA because the Jesuits were using the SS to kill the Jews in Europe.

          When the Einsatzgruppen went into Russia, the Jesuits followed with the

          SS and purged Western Russia of all its Jews. That’s why Stalin

         deliberately killed 40,000 of his best officers. That’s why he kicked out

          his best generals, purged them, because he wanted to make sure that the

          Red Army would lose with the advance of the German army, because

         following that would come the SS and purge Russia of the Jews that

          Stalin so hated. And by the way, justice is often poetic because Stalin’s

         daughter married a Jew.

          Now, the CIA was composed of the SS. The CIA now was an

         arm—and the intelligence arm—of the Vatican. The Knights of Malta

          were throughout. Casey was a Knight of Malta. Angleton was a Knight

          of Malta. The Knights were through and through. Angleton manned the

         "Vatican desk", and that is a desk within the CIA that has a direct link to

          the Vatican.

          So, Kennedy wanted to end this "intelligence community". That was the

          end of him.

          Thus for anyone attempting to end the CIA, and attempting to end the

         Vietnam War, and also because he attacked the Jesuits’ Federal

         Reserve Bank by printing United States Notes, they got rid of him. They

          killed our only Roman Catholic president.

          And it’s another piece of poetic justice that a Roman Catholic—not

         Protestants, like Harry Truman, FDR, and others—it’s a Roman

         Catholic who truly sought to resist the temporal power of the Pope in

          this country. And in many ways, even though Kennedy was, in fact, a

         socialist and communist, at least he resisted the temporal power of the

          Pope. And for that we should be thankful and remember his name.

          But what have they done to his name? They’ve slammed it. They drag it

          into the dirt. Every time you see it on TV, they parade before you his

         womanizing, which I don’t deny, but my goodness, can’t we give him

          some credit where credit is due? That’s why they got rid of John F.


          And then, of course, as soon as he’s assassinated, John McCone, the

          head of the CIA, the following day goes to the White House and they

         reverse Kennedy’s Memorandum of reversing the Vietnam War and

          make a full‑scale, carte blache war.

          The CIA then is tremendously and heavily funded, because it was a CIA

          war. And there they tried all of their new technology, their anti‑gravity

         machines, their men who they’re trying to make like the "million‑dollar

         man". They tried out all their new technology in Vietnam. It was a great

         experimental theater, and Kennedy knew this. He knew it, and he knew

          that the American people had no idea what was going down, and he still

          tried to resist it, against his father’s warnings. Because his father was the

          most powerful Knight of Malta in the Empire.

         Martin: Any theories on why they took out junior?

         Phelps: Yes. According to Tom Kuncle, in his publication, John F.

         Kennedy, Jr. wanted to find his father’s real killers, and he had the

          power to publish the conclusion. So, they took him out right away. They

          would not allow that to happen.

         Martin: Why haven’t you been taken out?

         Phelps: Because I am immortal—until the Lord is done with me. I am a

         Calvinist and a Baptist, and we believe in the sovereignty of God. And

          as long as we are operating in His Will, they cannot touch us, regardless

          of their power.

         Martin: Which is why we’re having this conversation.

         Phelps: Which is why we’re having the conversation. Don’t think for

          one moment they’re not tapping this phone. They know this. The issue is

          here. We’re talking about a providential, sovereign God who wishes to

          move, using second causes, men, just as the Devil does.

          The Devil always uses second causes, men. So, it’s one group of men

          vs. another group of men, and one path leads to evil, and the true,

          almighty God leads to goodness.

          The problem is, with us, there are very few men who want to believe

          God anymore. Nobody believes He can deliver anymore. It’s just a

         handful of us who say: "Well, we’re going to do His Will; we’re going to

          trust Him in His Power."

          And like the Hebrews getting ready to be thrown into the fiery furnace of

         Nebuchadnezzar, our God is able to deliver us. We’re going to tell the


         Martin: Let’s see here. I can throw away a lot of these questions. So

          much of it seems, in a way, irrelevant to our current times because

         there’s so much going on now. But, good grief! I was just stunned to

          read in your book of all the historical things that have happened as a

          result of these evil people. You dedicated the book to four Roman

         Catholics who, I’m sure, no one has ever heard of: Charles Chiniquy,

         Jeremiah Crowley, Emmett McLaughlin, and Alberto Rivera. Why


         Phelps: Because those Roman Catholic men were priests; they left the

         priesthood and told the truth about what was really happening. And all

          four of them, except one, I think Emmett McLaughlin, paid with their life.

         Chiniquy was the great exposer of the Jesuit assassination of President

         Lincoln, when he wrote his masterpiece Fifty Years In The Church Of

          Rome in 1886. He proves that Lincoln was assassinated by the Jesuits,

          and that it was covered‑up by our government at the time.

         Jeremiah Crowley: that priest was a great Irishman who came here and,

          seeing the corruption of the Archdiocese in Chicago, that it was so

         corrupt, he left it and exposed it. And, of course, he later came to Christ

          and became a Bible‑believer, which they would call a Protestant.

         Protestants today don’t believe the Bible. Protestantism of today is an

          empty shell, it’s nothing. But, back then, in 1912, they believed the


         Crowley, then, exposed many things, and one of the things he exposed,

          that helped me with this, was that he warned that the Jesuits, with their

         Knights of Columbus—which, he says, the Knights of Columbus, named

          after Columbus, who he tells us was a Spanish Jew and a pirate and a

         deflowerer of young girls—that Columbus was no Christian.

          He has a tremendous section in his book on Columbus. That the

         purpose of the Knights of Columbus was to fulfill Jesuitical politics, and

          part of those politics was to restore the temporal power of the Pope

         because, you remember, the Pope had lost that in 1870 and they wanted

          to get it back. And they got it back with Mussolini in 1929.

          Well, in the book that Crowley wrote in 1912, he says that Taft and

          Teddy Roosevelt were all cow‑towing to the Pope and the Cardinals of

          New York. And he said they’re going to use our military to restore the

          Pope’s temporal power around the world.

          And THAT was absolutely correct. That is American foreign policy.

          And the Council of Trent is the American foreign policy of today. That’s

          what’s going on in Serbia and Bosnia. It’s the Council of Trent—the

         Jesuits using the American Air Force to bomb those orthodox people to

         smithereens. But, that was Crowley’s great contribution.

          Next, Emmett McLaughlin wrote several books. He wrote The People’s

          Padre; he wrote Crime And Immorality In The Catholic Church,

         showing that Catholic nations are more lawless and more criminal than

         Protestant nations, and he proved it with statistics from the jails.

          Emmett McLaughlin also wrote another book called The Assassination

          Of Abraham Lincoln, where he, again, shows that Lincoln was

         assassinated by the Jesuits. So, Emmett McLaughlin came out of the

          Catholic Church. To my knowledge, he never was born again. He never

          was saved, but he did tell the truth. He married a nun, and lived a

         virtuous and honorable life after he left.

          The last one was, of course, Alberto Rivera, who was greatly hated by

          the Vatican because he was a very high Jesuit who came out and, in the

          late ’60s, about 1969, exposed the power of Rome in the ecumenical

         movement, that Rome controlled Kathryn Kuhlman; that Rome

          controlled Billy Graham; that Rome controlled, virtually, our

         government—Ronald Reagan.

         Reagan, when he took the Oath of Office, faced the obelisk, indicating

          that this country will ultimately have a concordat. So, Alberto Rivera

         converted to Christ, wonderfully, and he started a ministry called The

          Anti‑Christ Information Center, out of Los Angeles.

          They tried to kill him five times. A dentist jammed a needle up between

          his teeth, trying to give him an infection in the brain. When he passed out,

          about a year or so later, they couldn’t figure it out. Everybody was

         praying for him. And this was discovered when he went to another

         dentist. He had it removed.

          He was pushed in front of a subway train. They tried five times to kill the

          man, and finally he died, I believe, of cancer, in a hospital, about three

          years ago. But these four wonderful, great, Catholic priests did their best

          to expose the power of Rome and its attempts to destroy our sovereign,

         Protestant, Bible‑believing nation. And so, to them, I dedicate it.

         Martin: What compelled you to write this book? What started it for


         Phelps: I was always taught to be a patriot, a patriot first and

         foremost—America first, and everybody else second. Later, when I

          came to know the Lord, at 17, I realized the Bible taught the same

         thing—that the Lord had instituted nations. The Lord never instituted

          world governments; that’s always the result of the Devil’s working.

          So, being a patriot and a nationalist—believing in national sovereignty—I

          was saved at 17, went into the Air Force, was garrisoned in a nuclear

         weapons area for three years in Germany, came back and started to go

          to Bible college.

          When I went to Bible college, the issue of the King James came up, as

          far as it being an archaic version. And that’s what I used and I had never

          given it a thought. Well, some were using NIV, some NASB, and I

         thought: "Well, maybe it’s just a modern version of what I have here."

          And I thought: "Well, if they want to use that, that’s fine, but I’ll use the

          King James."

          I found that the underlying Greek text for the King James, the Textus

         Receptus, was the Greek text of the Reformation. It represents 95% of

          the existing manuscripts that we have today. The Greek text that

         underlies all these other versions—there’s a Westcott and Hort Greek

          text, which I then discovered was really a conspiracy to adulterate the

          Textus Receptus in England, led by Brooke Foss Westcott and Anthony

          Hort, who were Maryolitors, Mary‑worshippers.

          Later, I found out that they had invited Cardinal Newman to sit in on the

         revision committee. Well, Cardinal Newman was a traitor to the

          Anglican Church, with his Track 90, which blew‑off the Anglican

         Church. He then left England and he was then a Cardinal by Pius IX.

          So, here we have Cardinal Newman, and E. B. Pusey, had been invited

          to sit on this revision committee, the end result being a Greek text that

          had been produced that was pro‑Jerome’s Latin Vulgate. Jerome’s

          Latin Vulgate is the basis for the Jesuit’s Reheims‑Douay text, that was

          put out in 1582, that was attempting to rival William Tyndale’s English

          text, which later became the King James Version of 1611.

          So now I see this awful Jesuit hand in my Bible college, attempting to

         deprive me of the Word of God, the authorized version of 1611, in it’s

         present edition of 1769. Now I thought "Well, here the Jesuits are, what

          else have they done?" And the next thing I was led to was the Lincoln

         assassination. And I can remember reading Burke McCarty’s The

         Suppressed Truth About The Assassination Of Abraham Lincoln, and

         weeping in the back room, when I was in college.

         Martin: For me, one of the most compelling portions of your book was

          the series of revelations about Lincoln. I was stunned by that.

         Phelps: That’s what they did. Remember, Lincoln was not going to go

          along with the 14th Amendment. He wanted those Southern states to

          re‑enter the Union on the same footing that they had left, which would

          have left us with a federal Republic as Washington had established it.

          This the Jesuits would not allow. It would be converted into an Empire.

          The states would be subordinate provinces to Washington. And the 14th

         Amendment would accomplish this with the reversion of citizenship. And

         Lincoln was re‑elected, and he was ready to end this, and that’s why

          they killed him. Kennedy was ready to implement his things; they would

          not let him be re‑elected.

         Martin: This is a total aside. Have you ever come across The Jefferson


         Phelps: The Jefferson Bible—and maybe you know this—is Matthew,

          Mark, and Luke. And Thomas Jefferson, being the Deist, being the

          pagan that he was, cut out all the supernatural from those three gospels.

         Jefferson was a Deist; he was involved with the French Freemasons who

          were involved in the French Revolution, and he was not here at the

         writing of our Protestant Constitution. So, the Lord put him out of the

         picture. Jefferson was just used to help with the Revolution—because

          the Lord does use the unGodly for good things. But Jefferson copied

          much of the Declaration Of Independence from the Mechlenburg

         Declaration, written by Calvinistic Presbyterians of North Carolina,

          when they seceded, when that county of Mechlenburg seceded from the


         Martin: Never heard of it.

          Phelps: Yes, you’ll find it in Presbyterian writings. You can find it from

          D. James Kennedy; he has a thing on it. And Jefferson copied, at the

          end: "...and to this end we devote our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred


          That was copied directly from the Mechlenburg Declaration. Jefferson

          was a plagiarist; he was a high Freemason; and he was out of here at the

          time of the writing of our Constitution. And the reason why the people

          of Virginia did elect him to office was because he was a State’s Rights

          man. He wanted limited powers in Washington, and that was a good

          thing. And when Jefferson was elected, he undid everything the

          king‑president John Adams did, with his Alien & Sedition Laws,

         because John Adams wanted to be a king, and Jefferson undid it, and

         Jefferson got two terms for that.

         Martin: I’m looking at some things that are a little further back now.

          The Secreta Monita. What’s the significance of that?

         Phelps: The Secret Instructions [excerpts at the end of this interview]

          are the handbooks that are given to the professed Jesuits, those under

         extreme oath. [The oath is presented in full at the end of this

         interview.] And it tells them how to conduct their plans, subjugating

         peoples and nations to the Jesuit General, and thus, to the temporal

          power of the Pope. It tells how they are to deceive. It shows how they

          are to swindle rich widows out of their fortunes, like they did with

         Astor’s second wife who survived the Titanic catastrophe. It shows their

         general approach on how to do things.

          This particular book cannot be known, and if it’s ever published, they

          will deny it’s existence. But when you see the works that the Jesuits have

          done, it’s in complete agreement with the Secreta Monita.

          There is a very interesting section in Edwin R. Sherwin’s book The

         Engineer Core Of Hell, written in 1886 I believe—another suppressed

          work. It’s usually in the archives of all the older libraries back here. And

          he shows how this Secreta Monita was discovered in South America by

          a Mason, and the Mason managed to escape to a lodge after being shot.

          He turned the Secreta Monita over to the lodge, and then these certain

         Freemasons saw the Secreta Monita. There are certain low‑level

          Freemasons who believe that the Jesuit Order is their enemy, so that’s

          why it was taken to the lodge and then published. But the high‑level

         Masons, of course, work with them. The Secreta Monita was

         discovered once that way. It was published in Holland. Then, in 1857,

         reprinted by England.

         Martin: Pascal’s Provincial Letters had a devastating impact on

         exposing the Jesuits. Why?

         Phelps: Blaise Pascal was a Huguenot, a French Calvinist. So here we

          have another fearless man. He doesn’t fear death; he’s going to tell the

          truth. So Blaise Pascal wrote a series of letters that were written to and

          from provincials, and he wrote them in a satirical manner, that of course

         excited that wonderful French mind. The French, of course, came to the

         conclusion that this was absolutely the truth, and then they moved to

         suppress the Jesuits again. But his Provincial Letters are considered a

         classic. Blaise Pascal also wrote some other great works, too.

         Martin: Pope Ganganelli‑Clement XIV abolished the Order entirely in

          1773, and was murdered as a result.

         Phelps: Correct; he was poisoned.

          Martin: The Order was similarly abolished 39 times from different

         kingdoms throughout Europe. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that

         something was terribly wrong with this group!

         Phelps: Right. Are all those people bigots? Are all those people

         brainwashed bigots and fanatical Protestants who abolished the Jesuit


          You find the greatest resistance to the Jesuits in Catholic countries, by

         Catholic monarchs. And that’s why the Roman Catholic monarchs and

         nobility of today don’t dare resist them. The Kennedys won’t touch

          them. The monarchs of Europe won’t touch them. The Hapsburgs won’t

          touch them, because the Jesuits have vindicated their power in the

          French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars—well, then they went to

         suppress the Jesuits again in Europe and they were, for the most part,

          kicked‑out of Europe in the 1800s. All the nations of Europe banned

          them. Germany banned them in 1872. And so, World War I and II, the

          second Thirty Years War, was pay‑back for this. And ever since then,

          nobody touches them.

          Pope Ganganelli abolished the Jesuits with a Papal Bull; the Jesuits call it

          a "brief". It is not a brief; it is in the Library of the Bulls, and it is called

         Dominic Ac Redemptor Nostor. That is the name of a bull. And when

          he abolished them, he abolished them forever—that they were not to

          talk about their abolition, that they were not to teach. He confiscated all

          of their wealth and land and property. For the most part, the Dominicans

          took it over, which is why the Dominicans had their penis cut off during

          the French Revolution. That’s what the Jacobins did to them. It was

         payback by the Jesuits: "You don’t dare take our property from us, boy.

          And you don’t dare take Inquisition from us." Jacobins killed nearly

          every Dominican in France.

         Martin: Why was the assassination of William of Orange so significant?

         Phelps: Williams of Orange was the father of religious liberty. William of

          Orange is the man who gave the Jews the freedom to come to

          Amsterdam. And the Jews called Amsterdam, "the new Jerusalem".

         William of Orange was a Catholic to begin with. Remember when he

          was in the forest, hunting with the king of France, and the king of France

          lay bare to him their plans to destroy all the Protestants in Holland,

         William kept silent. And that’s why he was called "William the taciturn"

          or "William the silent".

          So, he harbored all of this in his heart, and he went back to Holland

          determined that he would deliver the Calvinists and the Protestants from

          this annihilation. William went to Germany with his German wife, and he,

         according to Motley in his The Dutch Republic, raised an army of

         Germans and they did not succeed in liberating Holland. And so, it was

          the Dutch themselves who joined William of Orange in an attempt to

         liberate the country, which they ultimately did as the "wild beggars of the


          So, William was a great inspiration. He delivered flight from the seige of

          the fanatical Roman Catholic Spanish, lead by the Jesuits, when the Lord

         providentially delivered and sent a strong wind over the dikes, and

         flooded the whole area, and flooded the Spanish soldiers.

          And then, after that happened, He sent another strong West wind and

          blew the water back over the dikes. This is a historical fact! Why don’t

          we hear this in history? For the same reason we don’t hear when Louis

          XIV brought his army across the river into Holland to kill all those

          Dutch, in 1672, right around there, that the river, right where the army

          was crossing, thawed out, and the whole French army went to the

          bottom of the river, as a result of the prayers of those Protestants of

         Holland. We’re not taught that either!

          The assassination of William of Orange was probably the second most

         significant act of Jesuit dominance, next to the murder of Coligny at St.

         Bartholomew’s Massacre. Because it was first St. Bartholomew’s

         massacre, and then the murder of William of Orange. And, of course,

         William of Orange was shot by a Jesuit‑controlled assassin, Balthazar

         Girard, in his own house. And the last words of William, of course,

          were: "God be merciful to these poor people."

         Martin: What is the Royal Institute of International Affairs?

         Phelps: The Royal Institute of International Affairs is the same as the

         American Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The Royal Institute runs

         England and the British Empire, what was once the extension of the

         British, just as the CFR runs our country. They’re sister organizations.

         Martin: Where are they based?

         Phelps: They’re based in London.

         Martin: And who is their head; do you know?

         Phelps: I don’t know right now. The John Birch Society wrote a lot

          about that, and they did expose the CFR and the Royal Institute of

         International Affairs. Allan Stang has written a lot about that.

         Martin: What was the "Gunpowder Plot" of 1605?

         Phelps: The Gunpowder Plot of 1605 was the Jesuits attempt to

         destroy what William Howitt—and Howitt was the great writer who

          wrote A Popular History Of Priestcraft, 1835—he said it was a Jesuit

         attempt to destroy our Great King Solomon, King James I, along with

          the entire Protestant Parliament. Because remember, Elizabeth I had

         expelled the Jesuits from her empire, and if they were ever caught they

          were to be drawn and quartered.

          After she died, the conspiracy went on there that went on with William

          Cecil. They named Mary Queen of Scott’s son as the King of England,

          rather than Elizabeth’s son, because Elizabeth had a son who was the

          Earl of South Hampton, Wriothesley, and that was the son of Edward

         Devere, who we know as William Shakespeare.

          There was no William Shakespeare. The man was Edward Devere. He

          ran the Globe Theater. He was the Lord Great Chamberlain to Queen

         Elizabeth, and he secretly had a son who was the Third Earl of South

         Hampton. He was the rightful heir to the thrown, not King James VI of


          You can find all this documented in two great works: the first is called

         Shakespeare Identified and the author is Looney. The explosion of that

          book is called This Star Of England, written by Carlton and Dorothy

         Ogborn, in 1952, and it’s a 1200‑page work, and in it they explain all

          the plays of Shakespeare, and that they are, in the words of Hamlet: "A

          brief abstract and chronicle of the times." Nothing but history.

          And then there’s another book, Wasn’t Shakespeare Someone Else?,

         written by Tweeny, and in that book he evaluates the 150 sonnets. In

          those sonnets Edward Devere put his name: Vere or Uvre or Vere—he

          puts his name in acrostics throughout all the sonnets. And the last couple

         sonnets he puts his name in double acrostics. It’s amazing, showing that

          he wrote the sonnets.

         Martin: Why were the Jesuits so upset about the Edict of Nantes, and

          what was it’s significance?

         Phelps: Ok, the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes—it can be spelled

          Nantes or Nantz. Anyway, the Edict of Nantes was put forward by

          King Henry IV. King Henry IV was a Roman Catholic, but he

         converted to Protestantism and he became a Huguenot. But he was not

         allowed to take the throne of France until he renounced his

          Protestantism. So, for the sake of the kingdom, he renounced his

         Protestantism, and in 1610, I believe, issued forth the Edict of Nantes.

          The Edict of Nantes guaranteed religious freedom to all the French. That

         included the Protestant, Calvinist, Huguenots, which of course included

          those who would have followed Admiral Coligny, who the Jesuits

         murdered with that she‑wolf, Catherine de Medici. With the Edict of

          Nantes we have religious liberty in France. This cannot be. France is a

         cornerstone of Jesuit power, so it cannot allow this to be in place. The

         Council of Trent condemns it, because it’s freedom of conscience.

          So, after they murder Henry IV with Ravaillac, when they stabbed him

         through his heart, according to Sully in his memoirs, they murdered

          Henry IV for this, and also for attempting to reinforce the Dutch. They

          then, in 1685—when the Beatles are singing about the "Sun King" in

          their "white" album, they’re singing about Louis XIV. And that’s telling

          you that the Beatles are Jesuit‑controlled. The Sun King, Louis XIV

          who reigned, who rules over France for, I believe, 60 years, he, because

          of his Jesuit confessor, Pere La Chaise, revokes the Edict of Nantes,

          and with that, no more religious freedom in France.

          And then they sent their French dragons out and beheaded and killed

          every Huguenot they could find, driving 500,000 Frenchmen out of the

         country, the wealth of France, the manhood of France, all left for

         Holland and England. That destroyed France. From then on, France

          became a nothing nation.

          The French Revolution could never have happened had not the

         Revocation of the Edict of Nantes taken place. Because now, there’s no

          Bible in France. And to this day, the French have never published a

          French version of the Textus Receptus. Number one, all French Bibles

          have been produced in foreign countries, when they’ve been translated

          from the Greek Textus Receptus into French; France has never done it.

          That shows the Jesuit power over France to this day.

          And the French have probably been the most manly, the strongest, the

          most gracious, the most determined in kicking the Jesuits out of their

         country. They’ve kicked them out, to my knowledge, three times—and

          again, they come back, foment wars, kill off the rulers, etc. Drive Eugene

          Sue into exile; he dies of a broken heart. Drive Calvin into exile; he can

          never return to France. All the great Frenchmen are driven into exile.

          So we have, as American patriots, we have a great camaraderie for the

         French. They helped us in our American Revolution. And why did they

          help us? Because they’ve been expelled from France. Why did Spain

          help us? Why did they help finance our Revolution? The Jesuits had

          been expelled from Spain. So payback came for Spain and France, for

         helping this heretic, Protestant nation come into existence, with the

         Napoleonic Wars, when they killed Louis XVI and drove the Bubons

          from the Spanish thrown. That was payback.

         Martin: For 30 years of war, from 1618‑1648, you state that the

         Jesuits, through Ferdinand II, killed‑off 10 million people. That’s quite a


         Phelps: That statement comes from Ridpath’s History Of The World,

         published in 1899. And that is his encyclopedia of his history of the

          world. That was common knowledge in 1899. The 30 Years War was

          hell on Earth for Europe. Two‑thirds of Germany was brought back to

          Rome. It was leveled, plundered, and destroyed.

         Wallenstein and Tilly were the fanatical Roman Catholic generals who

          raped, pillaged, and plundered everything in their path. But the Lord

          raised up certain great generals like Gustavus Adolphus from Sweden.

          He was called the "Snow King" and he was the one who ultimately, he

          paved the way for the victory of the 30 Years War.

          But without that Protestant victory of the 30 Years War, the peace of

         Westphalia, which the Pope was not invited to, there would have been

          no modern era as we know it today. According to any historian, the

          modern era begins in 1648. That is when the 80 Year War in Holland

          ended with Spain. That is when the 30 Years War ended with Ferdinand

          II and the Protestants of Germany, and Sweden, and so‑on.

          1648 is the wonderful year in which the Modern Era began, when

         inventors could go to Germany and say: "Well, you know, maybe the

          Earth isn’t flat." And maybe Leeuwenhoek could invent the microscope

          in Holland, and now, later on, James Clerk Maxwell, who was a

          Bible‑believing, Protestant Presbyterian, he can write his treatise called

         Electricity And Magnetism, the father of what we know today about

         electricity and magnetism. Now, science can blossom and bloom. Now

          we can have literature. Now we can have great writers, like Sir Walter

          Scott, who writes great works like Ivanhoe and Peveril Of The Peak.

          Now we can have Charles Dickens, another Protestant, who writes A

          Tale Of Two Cities, one of London and the other of Rome. We have

          great literature surfacing as a result of the Modern Era.

          But the Jesuits, in their determination to destroy the Reformation and the

          Modern Era and bring us back to the Dark Ages, seek to reverse the

         effects of the Modern Era, and thus, what was brought about by the 30

          Years War. And to know the 30 Years War is to understand the second

          30 Years War, which started in 1914 and ended in 1945.

         Martin: In 1639, the Jesuits were also expelled from Japan. Apparently

          the Jesuits never forgot that.

         Phelps: They never forgot it. For over 200 years they have been

         expelled. And remember the words of Lincoln: "The Jesuits never forget

          nor forsake."

          So, payback time was coming for Japan. The Emperor had expelled

          them, so that dynasty was targeted. Ultimately, the Emperor would be

         destroyed or his dynasty would end. And so payback time was the mass

          fire‑bombings by the American Air Force, financed by the Jesuits, as the

         Jesuits own Lockheed, Boeing, McDonald‑Douglas, and Grumman, and

          they used their B‑29 to firebomb Japan to smithereens. You can get the

          fact that the Jesuits control these aircraft companies from Avro

         Manhattan’s The Vatican Billions.

         Martin: I’m trying to get a little more current here, but some of this

          older stuff is also so fascinating, I’m going back and forth here. Our

         readers are just going to have to be a little flexible in their reading.


         Phelps: Right.

         Martin: In 1649 there was the Irish Massacre. What was it, and let’s

         discuss the hatred between the Protestants and Catholics in Ireland, as a

          result of the Irish Massacre.

         Phelps: Ok. Of course, we believe in freedom of speech, freedom of

         conscience, freedom of the press. That is an outgrowth of Protestantism,

         because all Protestants were defending their right to believe the Bible in

          the face of Rome’s expectations to believe the priests and the decrees of

          the Popes.

          Many of the Irish were born‑again. They came to know the Lord. Much

         preaching was done up there. In fact, Patrick, of St. Patrick’s Day, was

          no Catholic. He was a Protestant. And so, he was a great Protestant

         preacher of Ireland, and many, many Irish came to know the Lord. And

          their point of location was primarily in the North, in Northern Ireland,

          which today is Ulster, Belfast, etc.

          Well, the Jesuits, in fulfilling their Bloody Oath that we are making and

          waging relentless war on all Protestants, and all political liberals, they

         hatched‑out the plot to kill all the Irish Protestants in Ireland with the

          O’Neil family. And I wonder if that O’Neil family was related to Tip


          In 1641, the massacre began, carried out by Roman Catholic nobles and

          the mobs in Ireland. When they started that massacre, it continued from

          1641 to 1649. The massacre ended when they killed 150,000, but they

          still taught the Catholic children to kill the Protestant children. So, Irish

         Protestants were being massacred, enmasse, for 8 years.

          This is NEVER told whenever anybody is ever talking about Oliver

         Cromwell, when Cromwell came up with his Puritan Army and ended

          that, when he took Drogheda, and killed every living thing in

         Drogheda—men, women, children, animal, everything.

          Ones say: "Oh, the beast Oliver Cromwell. Look what he did to

         Drogheda!" What about those beasts killing those Irish Protestants for 8

          years, bashing out the brains of the little babies, smashing them up

         against the walls like they did, led by the priests?

          This was just like they did in Croatia with the Serbs in World War II,

          when they gouged‑out the eyes of all the Serbians, where one particular

          priest had 23 kilos worth of eyes. They were doing the same thing to the

          Irish Protestants.

          So, when Cromwell came up, and it was vengeance for the Irish

         Massacre, and the Irish Massacre was NOT started by the Protestants,

          it was started by the Jesuits according to Fox’s Book Of Martyrs. And

          you can find the whole narration there, which was a classic that all

         Englishmen used to read with the King James Bible.

          Martin: Do you believe that Great Britain is truly Protestant‑controlled,

          Jewish‑controlled, or Jesuit‑controlled?

         Phelps: Jesuit‑controlled.

         Martin: Why?

         Phelps: Well, let’s go back. To understand today we have to go back

          to the Napoleonic Wars.

          When Napoleon came to power, he was brought to power in Corsica.

          When the Jesuits were suppressed, one of their main outposts during

          their suppression was the Isle of Corsica. The Jesuits, remember, had

         finished the High Rites of Freemasonry with Frederick the Great, and

          then used their French Freemason Napoleon to execute their vengeance.

         However, the Jesuits were also protected during their suppression in

         England. A very wealthy landowner—and you can find this in Ridpath’s

         History Of The World—gave his wonderful, beautiful estate Stonyhurst

          to the Jesuit Order. And from then on, the Jesuits received protection by

          King George III, and you will find that in Mitchell’s The Jesuits. Mitchell

          is an English historian.

          Ok, so the Jesuits are now protected by King George III. Well, they’re

          going to uphold his throne. The Jesuits use the English army and navy in

          the resistance of Napoleon, as both sides are controlled, so that the

         Jesuits can control the outcome.

          The end result is that, after Napoleon accomplishes everything that the

         Jesuits want him to do—the expulsion of the Knights of Malta, the

         driving of the Roman Catholics from their throne, imprisoning the Pope

          for 5 years, etc.—Napoleon is then ordered to abandon his army in the

          snows of Russia, killing all of those French and German patriots, so that

          there are very few patriots left in Europe to resist the tyranny coming in

          France with Louis XVIII, who the Jesuits will put back on the throne.

          Louis XVIII was in exile, in England, in King George’s own parlor,

         waiting for the end of the Napoleonic Wars. So, the Jesuits put Louis

          XVIII back on the throne. He readmitted the Jesuits, started the

         Inquisition, just like they did with Ferdinand VII when they restored him

          to power in Spain after the Napoleonic Wars.

          And where do these monarchs get their protection? From King George

          III. King George was used by the Jesuits to restore their power in

         Europe, after the Napoleonic Wars, after they punished the Pope and

          the monarchs.

          So, it’s been, really, from 1795, right around there, that the Jesuits have

         controlled England. They’ve controlled the Knights, they’ve controlled

          the King. All throughout the 18th century, now, England will never go to

          war with France again. England will side with the French during the

         Crimean War. England will be on the side of the French during World

          Wars I & II. England and France are together, both controlled by the

         Jesuits—even though France is predominantly a Catholic country, and

          when England was, at least on it’s face, a Protestant country. Why

          should both be working together, both having the same foreign policy.

          Why? Because the Jesuits control both countries.

          When Rothschild sent that note, via Roost, into London, saying that

         Napolean had won the Battle of Waterloo, that’s when the stocks

         plummeted, and all the Jesuits bought all the stocks up, there in London,

          and got control of the Bank of England. The Jesuits then made London

          their commercial center of the world, and Rome their religious center,

          aiming that one day Jerusalem would be both.

          So now the Jesuits are in control of England. After the Napoleonic

          Wars, we have the Congress of Vienna in 1815, and guess who’s there?

          All the representatives of King George. England is represented at the

         Congress of Vienna, the settlement after the Napoleonic Wars. If

         England was truly Protestant, they would have never went there. Now

          the Jesuits are in control of England throughout the 1800s, and they use

          the British Empire to further the power of the Pope. England has been

          under Rome’s control, the Pope’s control, since, at the very latest,

          1850. And I say since 1795.

         Martin: Let’s talk about Elizabeth II.

         Phelps: Elizabeth II is a wicked, evil queen. She is the head of the

         Knights of Malta in England. She curtsies to the Lord Mayor in Old

         London, and she goes and visits the Jesuits of Stonyhurst and kisses

          their derrières. She has complete allegiance to the Jesuits of Stonyhurst,

          and will do anything they tell her to do, or they’ll get rid of her just like

          they got rid of all the rest of the monarchs in Europe.

         Martin: So you see her as a pawn.

          Phelps: She’s just a pawn, sure. She’s nothing. Remember, White men

          rule the world. Evil, White, sodomite, homosexual men rule the world,

          and these are the High Jesuits, with their High Knights of Malta and High

         Freemasons, they rule. And these women who are involved are just

          pawns in their game, like the queen, the queen of Holland, just to give

          the appearance that these nations have a sovereign monarch, when in

          fact, they’re just tools.

          England has done some awful, terrible things, but all of the things that

          they have done increase and benefit the Jesuit Order. They never

         resisted Napoleon III. Napoleon III was a fanatical Roman Catholic

         Freemason, subject to the Jesuits, who was the King of France for 18

          years, second Empire. England never resisted him. They fought with him

          in the Crimean War. And Napoleon III dedicated all of his ships to the

          Virgin Mary. England has been on the side of the Jesuits since 1815, no

          later. So, that means that the British Secret Service is totally working for

          Rome, all throughout the 1800s.

         Martin: How did the Jesuits regain control of the Vatican in 1814?

          Phelps: Remember that they were in control of Napoleon. A Jesuit by

          the name of Abbie Sieyes—you can find him, again, in Ridpath’s

         History Of The World—Abbie Sieyes was a Jesuit‑trained individual,

          and I believe he was a Jesuit. He was on the Directory, and he was also

          on the Consulate; he was the second counsel. Napoleon was the first; he

          was the second. He was the advisor and director of Napoleon. Abbie

         Sieyes, being the Jesuit that he was, ordered Napoleon to imprison the

          Pope for 5 years, and he did! So, the Pope was in prison for 5 years

          until 1814, when he restored the Jesuit Order. The Pope, prior to that,

          was killed. They brought him over the mountains of the Alps, and he

          died through that debacle.

          The Jesuits thoroughly humiliated the papacy. They used their French

         soldiers to overturn St. Peter’s chair, and they found, written in Arabic:

         "There is no other God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet." And

          THAT is what is under St. Peter’s chair today. That was stolen from

          some kalif during the Crusades.

          So, they completely intimidated the Pope and showed their power. The

          Pope then restored them with a Papal Bull, calling upon the vengeance

          of the Apostles Peter and Paul, blah, blah, blah, for anyone who would

          ever suppress the Jesuit Order ever again. When the Jesuits were

         "reinstalled" in all their power, that’s when they were in control of the

          Pope, and from then on they have been.

          Any Pope who resists them gets punished or murdered. And all the

          Popes know it. When Pius IX wanted a liberal constitution for the Italian

          people in 1849, all of the Italians were delighted. Here is a liberal Pope;

          he’s going to give us constitutional rights; we’re going to have a


          The Jesuits raised up a revolution with Garibaldi and their Freemasons,

          and drove Pius IX from his throne. He had to stay in Gaeta for about a

          year. When he returned to Rome, under the protection of Napoleon

          III’s French army—actually, it was the republic’s army that would later

          be his "army of the empire"—but they returned with a French army,

         protecting the Pope, he became the most fanatical absolutist, pursuant to

          the wishes of the Jesuits.

          So, Piux IX was punished. But the Popes who don’t obey, like, what

          was it, In God’s Name, the Pope who was murdered after 33 days,

          when he didn’t go along with the Jesuit Order, they ended his life.

         [Editor’s note: Eric is here referring to the very well researched and

          deeply insightful 1984 Bantam Books gem (that’s very hard to find,

          for "some" reason!) by David A. Yallop, called In God’s Name, which

         details the author’s thorough investigation into the murder of Pope

          John Paul I the night of September 28‑29, 1978 after John Paul had

          been digging into the massive web of corruption surrounding the

         Vatican Bank. For all of you who look for clues, note well the

         choosing of day 33 since his election for the execution of the


          When you steal from the Vatican, like the Cardinal did at the PII Lodge,

          they killed him (Kalvi), and they hanged the other guy, beginning with the

         admiralty jurisdiction, at their first bridge of the sea. So they have their

         assassins everywhere to carry out orders. They are machines. They are

          the perfect "Manchurian Candidates" and they will kill popes, cardinals,

         presidents, kings, and kaisers, to maintain Jesuit power. They are utterly

         ruthless—just like they said they would be in the Protocols: "We are


         Martin: As you look around the world today, who do you see opposing


         Phelps: It’s interesting. I have a friend who makes quite a few trips to

          Haiti. I told her about the Jesuits. She got to questioning a few people,

          and she found that Papa Doc had expelled the Jesuits from Haiti.

         Martin: No kidding?

         Phelps: That’s right. Isn’t it interesting, his son was also driven from

          power and the guy put in his place, I believe it was Aristide, is a member

          of the Council on Foreign Relations and a complete pawn of the Pope

          and the Jesuit Order—for which reason, when those Haitians wanted to

          drive Aristide from his power, this filthy, Jesuit‑controlled government in

         Washington put an embargo against Haiti, wrecking the country. See

          how the U.S. government uses its military, political, and financial power

          to maintain the temporal power of the Pope? And that’s not only in

          Haiti; it’s everywhere. Russia is another example.

         Martin: Don’t you see, coming up soon in Israel, some of these powers

          coming head‑to‑head over the rebuilding of Solomon’s Temple? Don’t

          you see some conflicts with the powers that be?

         Phelps: Which powers are you talking about?

         Martin: I don’t know; there seem to be so many involved.

         Phelps: We first have to remember the creation of the nation of Israel.

          World War I prepared the land for the people. World War II prepared

          the people for the land. World War III, the battle of Armageddon, will

         "prepare the people for their messiah"—with national repentance and

         realizing that "Jesus, the messiah, is the savior and will deliver them".

          The present government of Israel was set up by the High Masonic

         Rothschild‑controlled Jews, and Rothschild has had an alliance with the

          Jesuit General since 1876, with Adam Weishaupt. This is the very same

         Rothschild powers who betrayed the Jews into the hands of the Nazis,

         killing many Jews all throughout Europe, betraying their own Jewish

         people. These are the very same powers who run the nation of Israel


          I read a very interesting paragraph by Mark Lane in his book Plausible

          Denial when he tells about a Jew in Israel who wrote about certain

         criminal Jews, involved with the Nazis, who are now with the Mossad,

         something along those lines. The man who wrote the article was

          gunned‑down in front of his home.

          So, Rome controls the Israeli government. It controls the Israeli

         government through the Mossad.

          Who trained the Mossad? Reinhard Gehlen.

          We find that fact in Loftus’ work The Secret War Against The Jews in

          most telling, telling detail.

          So what do we have? We have high‑level treason and betrayal of the

          Jewish race; that is there in Israel today, by their own leaders, who are

          loyal to Rome and the Jesuit Order. And to show this, we have a great

          big Rockefeller edifice in Jerusalem; we have an ophthalmology center in

         Jerusalem run by the Knights of Malta. There’s nothing but Knights of

          Malta, high‑level Freemasonry, and the Jesuit Order running all of Israel.

          So what’s going to happen, I believe, with the Dome of the Rock is, that

          has got to be removed—somehow, someway. It’s on the Temple site; it

          has to be removed.

          If I was the Jesuit General, I would make— somehow,

         someway—American bombers do it. Because I want to create universal

          hatred for this nation of the United States, because in the United States

          there are more Protestants and more Jews than any country in the world,

          and "we’ve" got to kill all those people. So what better way than to

          create a Jihad, a Moslem fanatical attack against the United States,

         coupled with a Chinese invasion from the East. That’s what I think is

          going to happen.

          The Jews are not going to destroy that Temple site because, if they do,

          Rome will destroy their efforts of rebuilding the Temple.

         Because, if Moslems control all of Jerusalem, that Temple will never be

         rebuilt. It has to stay in Jewish hands—because the Jews, and rightfully

          so, need their own homeland. They’re entitled to the nation. And they

         haven’t had their own Temple of worship. They are rightfully entitled to


          But what they don’t know is that they are being used by the Jesuits to

         rebuild their own Temple, that they would love to have rebuilt, for the

          Pope, so he can sit there and be the man of sin, the Anti‑Christ of the

          Book of Daniel, Chapter 9. That’s what I see coming for Israel.

          The assassination of Rabin? He wanted to give away too much. He

         probably wanted to give away some of Jerusalem. The Jesuits will never

          allow that. So, his bodyguards just step aside and the Mossad kills him.

          And nothing more is ever heard.

         Rome’s—the Jesuit General’s—international intelligence community

         carries out all high‑level assassinations, kills anybody who’s against their

         program. And Cromwell knew this, back in his day, and that’s why he

         protected himself—160 of his finest "ironsides" as his bodyguards, and

          no one got to him.

          So anybody who’s going to resist the Jesuit Order has to be doing it as a

          matter of a "religious" conviction—being protected by God and good

          men who are loyal to Him. If it’s simply political, with a hired Secret

         Service, you can forget it.

         Martin: Let’s go back to St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York. Why is

          that so significant? You talk about the American Pope. Again, that

          person is?

         Phelps: Cardinal O’Connor.

         Martin: Now, what is his role in the United States?

         Phelps: Ok, remember first that this title "American Pope" was gotten

          from Conney’s work. John Conney wrote The American Pope, I

         believe in 1988, so a lot of this information is from that document.

          The American Pope is the Cardinal of New York. He is the most

         powerful Cardinal in the United States. He is what’s called "the military


          The military vicar is in command of all of the military orders within the

          United States, they being the Knights of Malta and the Knights of

          Columbus. He is also in command, and privately, of "the Commission"

         because Cardinal Spellman was an intimate of Joe Kennedy, and Joe

         Kennedy was an intimate of Frank Costello.

          We also see that it was Cardinal Spellman who enabled "Lucky"

         Luciano to be released from the prison in New York, to return to Italy in

          1946. And this was because of the Luciano Project that I mentioned in

          my book. But Lucky Luciano, his Mafia on the East Coast, worked in

          conjunction with the U.S. Navy, supposedly to protect the Eastern

         seaboard from German U‑boat attack.

          So, as payback? Cardinal Spellman releases Lucky Luciano—that filthy,

         wicked, evil, heartless spiritual bastard, who compelled young girls into

         prostitution, probably one of the cruelest things any man could do. He is

         released and sent back to Rome.

          When the Kennedy assassination comes up, the Cardinal needs a favor.

          After all, he’s released Luciano. So now the Mafia gets to participate:

          Jack Ruby, Carlos Marcello, Santos Trafficante, all the High Dons

         participate. Why? Because that Cardinal in New York controls the


          And that Commission, you know what it controls? All of the trucking, all

          the supermarkets, it’s power is beyond our wildest imagination, second

          only to the Knights of Malta. And, of course, they all control the Federal

         Reserve Bank.

          The Cardinal controls the Federal Reserve Bank through the Council on

         Foreign Relations. The Council on Foreign Relations belongs to the

         Cardinal. Spellman was not a member of it, during his day, but two of

          the most powerful members were Knights of Malta: Henry Luce and J.

          Peter Grace, and also William F. Buckley, to this day. William F.

         Buckley is indeed one of my enemies, because I name him, and he is a

         powerful multi‑billionaire who participated in the Kennedy assassination,

          just like Iacocca, another Knight. Both of those men are subject to

         Cardinal O’Connor and will do ANYTHING he says.

         Martin: Do you know who is head of the Knights of Malta, now?

          Phelps: Yes; his name is Flynn. He took over when Grace died in ’93.

          Flynn is head of the American branch. The head of the worldwide

         branch, the international Knights of Malta, is Andrew Bertie; he’s an

         Englishman. And you can find that in the National Catholic Reporter,

          when you go after their various articles on the Knights of Malta.

         Martin: Do the Knights of Malta actually meet, actually hold meetings

          with the Jesuits?

         Phelps: Oh, sure. Remember that Alexander Haig is a powerful Knight

          of Malta. His brother is a Jesuit.

          So, sure they have meetings. The High Knights of Malta, who meet in

          their palace on Aventin Hill, in Rome, of course, meet with the Jesuit

         General, and so on. And Count von Hoensbroech, who was a German

          Noble who became a Jesuit for 14 years—he wrote a two‑volume work

          called Fourteen Years A Jesuit. His father was a Knight of Malta. Yes,

          the Jesuits work in conjunction and have regular meetings with the

         Knights of Malta.

          The Knights control the money. The Knights control the banks. They

         control the Bank of Canada, Federal Reserve Bank, Bank of England;

          they control the banking. They were the ones who were behind the

         sinking of the Titanic, with the creation of the White Star Line, J.P.

          Morgan and others.

         Martin: Alan Greenspan, then, would be?

         Phelps: Alan Greenspan is a Jew, probably a Freemason, because he is

          the leader of the Temple called the "Federal Reserve Bank" and they

          always put Jews in the forefront—so that they can blame all of what they

          do on the Jewish race in this country, to create an anti‑Semitism

         everywhere, just like Charles Coughlin, the radio Jesuit priest of the ’30s


         Greenspan, Bloomenthal, Warburg, and all those Jews need to be

         publicly rebuked, because they are creating the mass genocide of the

          Jewish race in the United States. The Jews are being blamed right now

          for the foreign policy in Bosnia. Madeline Albright—she’s a

         Jew—they’re blaming her for what’s going on in Serbia. I’ve got a good

         Serbian friend who blames her. I said she’s just a pawn of the Jesuit

          CFR. Don’t blame the Jewish people. It’s these Jewish "pawns" who

          are loyal to the Pope and the Jesuits who are doing this.

          The Zionists—the Jesuits are the Great Zionists. They control all

          of the historical High Zionists—Theodor Herzl, David Ben‑Gurion,

          Golda Meir. Zionism is a Masonic term, coined by the Jesuits.

          They are the rulers; they are the Protocols; they are the Elders of

          Zion. So the Zionists are, indeed, evil and wicked; but they are

         controlled by Rome. The Jews are not all Zionists.

          I remember when I went to Jerusalem and Israel in 1976, and a lady

          said to this particular man that I had met: "You’re more of a Zionist than

          we are!" And I thought: "What does that mean? I don’t understand that."

          I only later understood why Yasser Arafat says he doesn’t hate the

          Jews; he can’t stand the Zionists. And I’m thinking: "What’s the

         difference?" I, later, learned that there is a great difference between

          those Zionists and the other Jews. The Orthodox Jews can’t stand the


          So what’s the difference? The Zionists are socialist communists,

         controlled by Rome. They are atheists, just like the Jesuits, although

         they’re being used to rebuild the nation of Israel. They are the enemies

          of the Jewish people, per se.

          There’s no conflict going on in the Middle East. There’s no conflict going

          on with the Arab nations. All of the Arab nations are under the

         command of Masonic kings or iotollas. Saddam Hussein is no enemy of

          George Bush; they’re both brothers, brothers of the lodge. That whole

          thing was set up to kill off a whole bunch of Arabs for the protection of

          the Zionist state of Israel.

         Martin: Well, Bush and Saddam were business partners. We’ve

          covered that in recent past issues of our newspaper.

         Phelps: Sure. That’s why they never killed Saddam. They could have

          easily killed him. The CIA can kill anybody they want to. They could

          have easily killed Saddam and got out. They could use their own Arab

          agents in there. Saddam was a very important tool.

         Martin: Still is.

         Phelps: Still is, sure. They keep the Arab peoples and nations at bay by

         controlling them through their leaders. Or, when they start to get out of

         control in their Moslem fanaticism, they then foment a war and kill off a

          whole bunch of them. Make sense?

         Martin: There was a statement you made in your book about the Jesuits

          controlling the Nation of Islam, and that was almost a surprising

         statement to read. I would think that someone like Louis Farrakhan

          would be pretty adamant.

         Phelps: Yeah, he would hate me for that one. Well, let’s think a little bit


         Chicago is ruled by the Archbishop of Chicago, a Cardinal. It was

          Cody; I don’t know who it is now. Do you think anything goes down in

         Chicago without the Cardinal’s approval?

          Where was the Nation of Islam founded? Chicago.

          Where is Louis Farrakhan’s—that murderer’s—mansion? Chicago. He

          lives like a king.

          What does he hand out? He hands out the Protocols Of The Learned

          Elders Of Zion to all of deluded Black Nation of Islam people, so that

          they can hate the Jews, just like the Klu Klux Klan.

          That’s right. Those three little tidbits, right there, prove that the

          Nation of Islam is totally under Jesuit control. They are going to

          be used to foment anarchy and agitation, because they have an

          army called "the fruit of Islam", and they have millions of rounds

          stored in all the major cities—guns stored everywhere, so that

          they can start the race war. And when that happens, you see, then

          the brothers in Washington can implement Martial Law, suspend

          the Constitution, and now the Jesuits have what they want.

          So, they use these Blacks in the North, who hate the White

          people, for their own destruction, for the destruction of the Black

          people themselves. And the Nation of Islam is part of that.

          When I was in the Air Force, and in jail for about 10‑15 days, about 10

          years ago, the Nation of Islam was paramount, or tried to be paramount,

          there. All the Blacks in jail become Moslems. It’s a "hate the White

         man" religion. Every White man is a White, blue‑eyed Devil. And they’re

         playing—the Zodiac killer, back in California many years ago, all

         Moslems. So it’s a "hate the White man" religion, designed to foment

         agitation and unrest.

          Martin Lucifer King was intimately involved with them. The only

         problem is, Malcolm X got on to it. He realized he was being used and

          he separated from it. Then he ceased to be an agitator.

         Martin: Malcolm X was way ahead of his time.

         Phelps: Yeah. Malcolm X was a good guy.

         Martin: Yes, he was.

          Phelps: Malcolm X, even though he was used by the Jesuits, because

          he hated the King James Bible, he was a great agitator. When he went

          to Mecca, he changed.

         Martin: Yes, he did.

         Phelps: And when he came back, he stopped being an agitator. He

         stopped hating the White man. He started to set up the

         African‑American Movement. And as a result, he was assassinated by

          the high leaders of the FBI and the Nation of Islam.

          And what do they both have in common? High‑level Shriner


          And so, we have the Masons in control of the Nation of Islam and the

          Klu Klux Klan—one agitating Blacks, and the other agitating Whites, to

          the glory of the Jesuit Order. The other Civil Rights Movement had the

         Jesuits behind that—with LaFarge. Jesuit LeFarge was a great mover

          and shaker of the Civil Rights Movements. And that agitation resulted in

         amalgamation, race‑mixing, the destruction of a White race and a Black

          race, producing a nation of hybrids that cannot maintain free


          That is what they proposed to do in the first Reconstruction, but it failed;

          so they succeeded in the second Reconstruction in the ’60s. The Jesuits

          are masters of the races. They know their strengths and their


          The only race who successfully resisted the Jesuit Order is the White,

          Anglo‑Celtic, Saxon race, with a Bible in one hand and a gun in the

          other. And so they’ve got to take the Bible away, they’ve got to take

          the gun away, and they’ve got to destroy that race. And that’s what they

          are essentially doing here. I know that’s a racist statement, but I’m

          sorry, it’s just the way it is. That’s history, and that’s what they’re doing.

          Black Pope Pt.2


Robert Howard Wake Up America/Hard Truth:

Attached is an article which has just been published in The SPECTRUM Newspaper, and

which I wrote. It is a second, updated interview with the controversial author Eric Jon

Phelps, who wrote the newly release book titled VATICAN ASSASSINS: "Wounded In The

House Of My Friends" ‑‑ available through Wisdom Books and Press 877‑280‑2866

($34.95 plus shipping).  The book also contains a gift CD‑Rom with 13 rare books on the

subject of Jesuit History).  Feel free to post this interview, if you wish.

All the best,

Rick Martin for The SPECTRUM Newspaper

                   Maniacal World Control Thru

                           The Jesuit Order

                 Well‑Hidden Soldiers Of Satan

                               Black Pope pt. 3

                             The Black Pope Pt.1

                             7/1/01 RICK MARTIN

                          ( [email protected] )

     No political event or circumstance can be evaluated without the

     knowledge of the Vatican’s part in it. And no significant world situation exists

     in which the Vatican does not play an important explicit or implicit role. —

     Avro Manhattan, “Protestant” Knight of Malta, English Historian and Agitator,

     1960, The Vatican And World Politics.

     The Jesuits offer the world at large a system of theology by which every

     law, Divine and human, may be broken with impunity, and by which the very

     Bulls of Popes may be defied. It is a ghastly religion; it is a religion to be

     abhorred by all honest and honorable men. — M. F. Cusack, Converted Nun

     of Kenmare, 1896, The Black Pope.

     The Jesuits laugh at us; and during their hilarity, the rattlesnake is coiled

     at our feet, climbing to strike us in the heart. — Edwin A. Sherman, American

     Shriner Freemason, Friend of Charles Chiniquy, 1883, The Engineer Corps Of


You could call Eric Jon Phelps a controversial author. We know him as a consummate

researcher, a beloved friend, and a gentleman who lives his truth. Our readers will know

him best as my interviewee in our now infamous May 2000 issue of The SPECTRUM—the

issue that is known far and wide as the “Black Pope” paper.

Eric is also the author of the blockbuster book VATICAN ASSASSINS, an incredibly well

researched historical manuscript which shows the reader, in astonishing detail, where the

TRUE diabolical power and control of this planet resides—at least that controlling layer

which is in the physical dimension.

VATICAN ASSASSINS likewise acquaints the reader with a number of priceless old

documents and historical manuscripts that “certain ones” have done their very best to

remove from almost all of the world’s library shelves. Most of these documents are so

rare that just getting these back into public access and circulation is a great service to

all students of history thirsty for The Truth.

There has been so much interest in what Eric has to say that we decided to revisit a

number of issues and ask him to answer some dangling questions. After all, the kind of

connections which Eric makes are an entire level deeper than what we are used to

hearing in the “conspiracy theory” arena. Moreover, we have noted, with some degree of

surprise and “unveiling” over the past year or so, just who all have come forward to

attack Eric’s work—groundlessly and hysterically (but never to his face). These ones

know who they are and have, by their unprofessional and irrational actions, convincingly

revealed just who they really work for, while pretending to be presenters of Truth!

While it was my intent to focus the majority of the conversation on the present day,

there were some unresolved issues from the past that likewise required clarification. On

June 18, 2001, I had an opportunity to sit down with Eric Phelps, face‑to‑face, and

prevail upon him to answer a few key questions. Let’s see what he has to say.

Martin: Our last interview—the “Black Pope” issue of The SPECTRUM—went around

the world a few times. It’s also been on the Internet for quite some time. The manuscript

of VATICAN ASSASSINS has been distributed, but still no book. What’s happening with

the book? Why is it taking so long to come out in book form?

Phelps: The reason why it has taken a year to finalize the book is because there

were several historical mistakes that were corrected by some of the readers of the

manuscripts, the first and second manuscripts.

There was a Japanese individual named Toichi [Ryu] who corrected me on some of the

Japanese history regarding the Emperors and the Shogans, for which I thanked him and

made the necessary changes.

There were a few other similar changes that I had to make with regard to dates,

places, and some times; just a polishing‑up of the manuscript, so that it’s ready now.

We had one individual who was a Jesuit for 10 years. He got out of the Jesuit Order.

He read the manuscript. He greatly approved of it. And he sent us a list of corrections,

which we incorporated into the manuscript. So, there have been many people who have

added their polishing touches to it, for which I am thankful.

[Editor’s note: Wisdom Books & Press (877) 280‑2866 is accepting advance orders for

VATICAN ASSASSINS, the 700‑page book, which should be completed by the second or

third week in July. The cost for this huge volume is only $34.95, which includes a gift

CD‑ROM containing 13 rare books mostly “missing” from the world’s library shelves.]

Martin: I would like to concentrate this conversation largely on the present day. But,

before we get to the present, I would ask you to, once and for all, clarify something for

our readers who may be still confused about The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of


There have been many sources and many reciting's of The Protocols. They’ve been

called a fraud. They’ve been called a forgery, which means that there was a document

that preceded it that it had to be based on. Everyone seems to point to the Jews, or the

Khazars, as the authors of The Protocols, and yet your research indicates otherwise.

Who, in your opinion, authored The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion?

Phelps: Cardinal Bea was the confessor of Pope Pius XII (Hitler’s Pope), a very

powerful Jesuit and Cardinal within the Vatican. According to Alberto Rivera, when

speaking with Cardinal Bea, Cardinal Bea said to him that The Protocols were written by

Jews loyal to the Pope.

I do not believe Jews wrote The Protocols. I do not believe Alberto Rivera was told

the whole story, because he did not have a “need to know”. Withholding information has

always been standard procedure for the Jesuits.

I believe men who were loyal to the Pope wrote The Protocols, and the men who were

loyal to the Pope who wrote The Protocols were the Jesuits, according to Leo

Lehmann—the ex‑Irish Catholic priest who became converted to Christ and set‑up the

mission there in New York City, Converted Catholics For Christ. He said that the Jesuits

wrote The Protocols, and that this is no new attempt of deception, based on their

document that they wrote concerning their attack on the Jansenists, which was called

The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg‑Fontaine.

So, the Jesuits wrote The Protocols like they wrote The Secrets Of The Elders Of

Bourg‑Fontaine, and the language of The Protocols is identical to The Secret Meeting At

Cheiri [1825].

However, I have a quotation from a very brilliant and Godly, born‑again,

Bible‑believing, Irish Roman Catholic priest I referred to a moment ago. He wrote a book

entitled Behind The Dictators, first written in 1942, and there were two editions after

that. I have the 1945 edition. Dr. Leo Lehmann says that the Jesuits wrote The

Protocols. But before I get into that, I would just like to read to you who Dr. L. H.

Lehmann was.

“He was born in Dublin, Ireland, and received his primary education there from the

nuns and Christian brothers. He began his study for the priesthood at Mungret College,

Limerick, and at All Hallows College, Dublin. In 1918, he went to finish his theological

studies at the University of Propaganda Fide in Rome, where he was ordained a priest in

1921. He later studied at New York University from which he received the degree of M.A.

“After four years as a priest in Cape Town, South Africa, Dr. Lehmann was recalled to

Rome to continue negotiations at the Vatican courts concerning a legal case in which he

had been engaged, while a student in Rome, on behalf of many American bishops and

priests against the Jesuits. He later returned to South Africa, but was transferred to the

United States in 1927 and appointed pastor in Gainesville, the university city of Florida.

Dr. Lehmann is now director of Christ’s Mission in New York City and Editor‑In‑Chief of

The Converted Catholic magazine.”

So, here is a born‑again, Bible‑believing man who had been an Irish priest, who had

run‑ins with the Jesuits, who knew EXACTLY what they were all about. When you’re

involved in litigation within the Vatican, you know the law. And you know the history of

who you are opposing.

Here is what he had to say about the origin of The Protocols. This is found in his book,

Behind The Dictators, on page 15:

“Although first published in Russia in 1903, The Protocols Of [The Learned Elders Of]

Zion had their origin in France and date from the Dreyfus Affair, of which the Jesuits

were the chief instigators. They were planned also first to take effect in France, by the

overthrow of the ‘Judaic‑Masonic’ government of the French Republic. But the discovery

of the gigantic fraud of Leo Taxil, who had been openly supported by the Jesuits, the

concluding of the Franco‑Russian alliance, along with the Vatican’s difficulties with the

French government at that time, made it more opportune to have them appear first in


“These Protocols of supposedly Jewish leaders are not the first documents of their

kind fabricated by the Jesuits.

“For over a hundred years before these Protocols appeared, the Jesuits had continued

to make use of a similar fraud called The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg‑Fontaine

against Jansenism—an anti‑Jesuit French Catholic movement among the secular clergy.”

Phelps: I might also add that the Jansenists were what we would call, really, Catholic

Calvinists. They believed in the sovereignty of God. They believed in justification by

faith. They believed in many Biblical doctrines, and therefore the Jesuits hated them and

later got the Pope to issue a Bull against them.

The Jesuits so hated the Jansenists, of which Blaise Pascal was one, that they

concocted this document, The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg‑Fontaine, against them.

Martin: What year was this?

Phelps: This was in the 1600s, I believe, in France. It may have been the late 1600s,

because Blaise Pascal wrote his Provincial Letters in the later 1600s.

[Editor’s note: Eric brings to our attention a VERY interesting person here, much like

the great Nikola Tesla of a few hundred years later. Blaise Pascal, 1623‑62, was a great

mathematician, physicist, theologian, and man‑of‑letters, born in Clermont‑Ferrand,

France. In 1647 he invented a calculating machine, and later the barometer, the

hydraulic press, and the syringe. Until 1654 he spent his time between mathematics

(remember Pascal’s triangle and other intriguing mathematical and geometric

discoveries?) and the social round in Paris, but a mystical experience that year led him to

join his sister, who was a member of the Jansenist convent at Port‑Royal, where he

defended Jansenism against the Jesuits in Lettres Provinciales, 1656‑7.]

Now, I’ll go back to my reading:

“The analogy between the two forgeries is perfect—the secret assemblage in the

forest of Bourg‑Fontaine; the plan of the ‘conspirators’ to destroy the Papacy and

establish religious tolerance among all nations; the alleged plot against Throne and Altar,

and the setting up of a world‑government in opposition to the Catholic Church. There is

the same dramatization of the negative pole of the historic evolution of the world, in

order to bring out, by contrast, the positive Christian [Catholic] pole, around which all

conservative forces—the monarchy, the aristocracy, the army, the clergy—must gather

to save the world from Satan’s onslaught.”

Phelps: Is this not identical to The Protocols? Except in The Protocols, it’s

Communism. Both documents want a world government, under someone other than the

Pope. So, it betrays the Jesuit hand throughout, in The Protocols, based upon The

Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourge‑Fontaine; and furthermore, after this document, The

Secrets Of the Elders of Bourge‑Fontaine, the next major document that we have is

Leone’s The Jesuit Conspiracy—The Secret Plan Of The Order, which was published in


In this document, Jesuit Leone was 19 years old and a novitiate in Cheiri, Italy, where

he, when he was snooping around in a back room, became trapped when Jesuit General

Roothaan and his provincials came in another room and he listened to this conversation

between the General and his provincials—in the mid‑1830s, around 1834—and while he

was hiding, he was taking notes.

They betray that the Jesuit General was intent upon setting‑up a World Government

by controlling the Roman Catholic hierarchy, the Pope, all the monarchies, and thus all

the governments of the world. And that is in Leone’s great work, The Jesuit Conspiracy,

published in 1848.

It was published in several languages. It went all throughout Europe, which

contributed to the people rising‑up against the power of the Jesuits in 1848, with the

Second French Revolution. But that revolution was controlled, the leadership of it was

controlled, and the end result was more power for the Jesuit Order in Europe.

Martin: You mention that The Protocols were an outgrowth of the Dreyfus Affair

[1890s]. And prior to that we have the Council of Trent [twenty‑five sessions of the

Council of Trent from 1545‑1563]. Can you put this in perspective?

Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits were busy creating Jewish hatred in Germany and in France in

the late 1800s. There was a man referred to in Ridpath’s Universal History Of the

World—I only found this here—he called his work “the solution to the Jewish question”.

Hitler came along, later, and had the FINAL solution to the Jewish question. So, they

were fomenting anti‑Jewish hatred in Germany, and they were fomenting anti‑Jewish

hatred in France.

Martin: Who are they?

Phelps: The Jesuits. The Jesuits were fomenting this in both countries because, at

this time, the Jesuits had been expelled from Germany in 1872, and they had been

expelled from France in 1880. So now they’re going to go after the Jews through their

agents in these two countries.

In France, they started the Dreyfus Affair, and that was in the 1890s. The Dreyfus

Affair had several purposes. It was to create anti‑Semitism—anti‑Jewish hatred in


I hate to use the word anti‑Semitism. There are many Semites other than Jews. And it

was also calculated to create war with Germany, because Captain Dreyfus was accused

of treason in handing secrets over to the German government. It was all a frame.

He was completely framed. He was sent to Devil’s Island for 10 years, and suffered

the horrible tortures of Devil’s Island for that period of time. And then, later, when he

was brought back, he was vindicated and found “not guilty”, and the Jesuits were

blamed for having done this. So this became universally known in France, which

ultimately caused the Jesuits to be expelled, again, in 1901.

The Dreyfus Affair is a major European conspiracy with the Jesuit hand, against the

Jews, attempting to foment a war between France and Germany. Because, remember,

the French hated the Germans as a result of the trouncing that they got in the

Franco‑Prussian War of 1870. And they wanted vengeance for that.

So, we play on the people’s vengeance, create this issue between Germany and

France, we use the Jews to do it so we can get some anti‑Jewish fervor going, which

ultimately manifests itself in 1942 with the Vichy government in France, when they help

the Nazis round‑up all the Jews in France and send them to Auschwitz.

And it’s at that time, in 1942, in the Petain, that the Jesuits were formally readmitted

into France. That’s the significance of the Dreyfus Affair.

Martin: And what is the significance of the Council of Trent in relation to all of these?

Phelps: The Council of Trent puts heretics—which us Bible‑believers are, all

Protestants and all Jews—puts all of us under more than 100 curses because of what we


We believe in justification by faith.

“Accursed be all who believe in justification by faith.”

We believe that Baptism is simply an outward sign of salvation, and that it is not

necessary for salvation.

“Accursed be all those who believe that.”

We believe that, when we eat of the Lord’s supper, the bread and the wine are NOT

the literal body and blood of Christ, as the Council of Trent teaches, therefore we are

accursed because we do not believe in transubstantiation.

And we also believe that man has a right to his own judgment. He has a right to read

the Bible and make his own decisions as to what it means; that the Bible should be in the

language of the people, because this the foundation of freedom of conscience, freedom

of speech, and freedom of the press.

All of these things in the 4th session of the Council of Trent are condemned, anybody

who believes in: freedom of speech, and freedom of conscience, and freedom of the


So, those maxims of the Council of Trent are brought into The Protocols when The

Protocols condemn freedom of conscience; they condemn freedom of the press; they

condemn national governments and national sovereignty.

You see, Bible‑believers, we believe in national sovereignty.

We do not believe in World Government.

We believe America should be governed by Americans.

We believe Japan should be governed by Japanese, etc.

We do not believe, we do not want, a European Union.

We do not want a combination of governments under Centralized Government.

We believe in national sovereignties, which is the reason why the South seceded and

left the United States, because they wanted to set‑up their own national sovereignty; it

was a Protestant maxim upon which they acted.

Ok, so Trent effects The Protocols. Trent effects The Secrets Of The Elders Of

Bourge‑Fontaine. Trent effects The Secret Plan, written by Leone in 1848. And hence,

now we have the doctrines of Communism effecting Marx and his Communist Manifesto,

because Marx was tutored in the British Museum BY JESUITS.

Martin: Who was behind the Council of Trent, The Secret Plan, etc. Who were the

men behind these, historically?

Phelps: Well, Diego Laynez went on to be the Jesuit General after Loyola; Laynez was

the second Jesuit General. He was the MASTER‑MIND of the Council of Trent. Laynez

was a Jesuit by allegiance, and a Jew by race. This is very important. And it’s the result

of Laynez being a Jew, when this was brought to light in 1593, that the Order passed a


important. This is why Weishaupt was not a Jew. It was against the constitutions of the

Order for a Jew to be in the Order.

Martin: And what relation does Weishaupt have to all of this?

Phelps: Weishaupt was the promoter of the Illuminati, with the House of Rothschild,

for the punishment of the Catholic monarchs of Europe, and the Pope, for suppressing

the Jesuit Order.

So, Weishaupt did not act alone. Weishaupt was under the supervision, at least

initially, of Jesuit General Ricci, who died in 1775 in Italy. Weishaupt was under orders.

Martin: Who is Jesuit General Roothaan?

Phelps: Jesuit General Roothaan was the General of the Society from the 1830s to

the mid‑1850s. Jesuit General Roothaan was the one who oversaw The Secret Plan At

Chieri, of which Leone overheard and then wrote about.

Martin: So this is KEY to what we are talking about?

Phelps: Extremely key.

Martin: And who is Peter Beckx?

Phelps: Peter Beckx was the Jesuit General in the late 1800s and early 1900s. He was

the one who gave the order and oversaw the sinking of the Titanic.

Martin: Let’s talk about that now. Why have you drawn the historical conclusion that

the Jesuits sank the Titanic?

Phelps: Because they benefited. And they were present, on site, on the ship, prior to

it’s sinking. When we have a powerful organization that is working together, such as the

Jesuit Order, and the power that they had prior to their suppression, and that they had

never changed, and they are still working toward a World Government under the Pope,

we look for the Jesuit Order in these national crises that arise—and in this issue, the


We must ask the question: Even though we can’t place where they are at the

moment, did the Jesuit Order benefit from this? And the answer is: Yes, they did.

They benefited because it paved the way for the establishment of the Federal

Reserve Bank, which they own and control, by proxy, through the Knights of Malta, with

their various trusts and so on. They never own anything outright; they always own it

through a trusted third party.

How do we know that the Jesuits control the Federal Reserve Bank? Because the

Federal Reserve Bank was used to finance the second “Thirty Years War”—from 1914 to

1945—in which everything that transpired fell out for the benefit of the Vatican,


Then, of course, when we discover that the most powerful man in Ireland, the Jesuit

Provincial Francis M. Browne, was on the Titanic taking pictures of all those who would

be going down. And then, right before it departs Queenstown, Ireland, to set out for the

North Sea, “the lucky priest departed off the ship” in the words of Martin Sheen, who

narrated Secrets Of The Titanic.

It was more than luck; it was planned that way. Martin Sheen has been to the Jesuit

Novitiate at St. Jacques, in Warnersville, Pennsylvania. Martin Sheen is a bosom buddy of

the Jesuits.

The men who went down were wealthy Jews who were resisting the establishment of

a centralized bank in America, particularly John Jacob Astor, who was a personal friend of

Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. And Brandeis greatly resisted the establishment of

the central bank.

Martin: Astor, Guggenheim, and Straus were three Jewish men who went down with

the Titanic. Why do you focus so much of your attention on Astor?

Phelps: Astor was the wealthiest Jew in the world, some say the wealthiest man in

the world. But he was, most definitely, the wealthiest Jew. He did not have more money

than the Pope. But he was the wealthiest man in the world and he was using his wealth

NOT in accord with the Jesuit Order.

Now, later, his son, John Jacob Astor IV, became part of the money trust, which can

be found on the Internet; and so the Jesuits had access, now, to the Astor fortune.

They control it now. But, at that time, they got rid of Astor because they wanted his

fortune, and they wanted to end his resistance to the establishment of a national bank.

And they do this pursuant to The Secret Instructions, that they will take the fortunes of

widows and other people who resist them.

And that is what they did in Eugene Sue’s The Wandering Jew. That story revolves

around a French Protestant family, the Renneponts, and the Jesuits killing‑off every

member of the Rennepont family, so that they can have the fortune when it would be

opened up at a certain day, at a certain time in Paris. And the man who held the fortune

in trust was a Jew. So, that’s why they got rid of Astor.

Martin: What was that quote from the movie JFK about the Titanic?

Phelps: I believe Oliver Stone was overseen by the Jesuits, who control Hollywood.

And, therefore, a lot of the lines were authored by Jesuits.

One of the lines authored by the Jesuits was when Garrison was sitting at the table

and he said: “People, we’ve got to start thinking differently. We’ve got to start thinking

like the CIA. White is black, and black is white.”

That is DIRECTLY from Ignatius Loyola’s Spiritual Exercises. [Ignatius Loyola was the

founder of the Jesuit Order in 1540.] When he tells the people that they believe the

hierarchical Catholic Church and believe white is black and black is white, if the hierarchy

says so. That’s right out of the Spiritual Exercises.

Well then, when one of the associates, Bill, of Garrison’s staff, is approached by an

FBI agent, and the FBI agent is trying to win him over to their side, that FBI agent says:

“There’s going to be millions of people who are going to die. Besides, you’ve got to get

away from Garrison. He’s going down with the Titanic.”

That is a clue, right there, that the same men who were behind the Kennedy

assassination, attempting to frustrate Garrison’s investigation, were the same men who

sunk the Titanic.

Martin: I’m looking at the front‑page headline from a little‑known rag‑sheet, and the

current headline that I’m reading says: “Khazarian Zionists Are The Anti‑Christ.” Now,

what can you explain to our readers about who might be behind such a headline, and

what is the AGENDA of such a headline?

[Editor’s note: Some of you readers who may be familiar with the publication should

know that Rick is referring to the June 13, 2001 issue of the CONTACT newspaper.]

Phelps: We know that the Jesuits, in their agendas, hate the Jews.

And you add: “Eric, you say that the Jesuits set up Zionist Israel.”

The Jesuits control the Masonic Jewish Zionists who control Zionist Israel. They HATE

the Jewish race. And when I speak of Jews, I’m not speaking of Judaism. I’m not

speaking of their evil religion, that openly and notoriously rejects Jesus as the Messiah;

even Josephus realized Jesus was the Messiah.

I’m talking about the RACE. And when I’m speaking of the Jewish race, I’m speaking of

the descendants of Jacob, through his 12 sons, and their physical descendants. That’s

what I mean when I speak of the Jews.

Many, many Orthodoxes today believe there is no such thing as the Jewish race. They

are in error about that, because in Romans IX, X, & XI, it speaks specifically about the

Jewish race, that Christ was a Jew; that Christ spoke in John, Chapter IV, we know

whom we worship for salvation is of the Jews.

So, he identified himself as a Jew. The Apostle Paul identified himself as a Hebrew of

Hebrews, an Israelite, etc. So the terms Jew, Israelite, and Hebrew are all synonymous

terms; they are the physical, racial descendants of Jacob. And, therefore, the Abraham

covenant and promises apply to them, and they have not been fulfilled to this day. They

are in the great diaspora—they are in the great dispersion.

And so, Satan, not wanting them to inherit these promises, has set‑out to destroy

the Jewish race any way he possibly can. And his greatest tool in the destruction of the

Jewish race is the Jesuit Order.

Martin: Are you saying that this headline that I just read to you has an agenda

behind it?

Phelps: Absolutely.

Martin: And what is that agenda?

Phelps: The agenda is to create world‑wide anti‑Jewish fury, in every nation of the

world, so as to drive all the Jews back to Israel for their final annihilation when the

Jesuits bring in the armies of the Earth and when the anti‑Christ, the risen Pope, brings

in the armies of the Earth in his last, mad attempt to destroy all of the Jews, so that

they cannot inherent the promises given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Martin: If there is an intelligence community behind this publication, it’s easy enough

to draw the conclusion, from what you’re saying, that the Jesuits, who control the

intelligence community, would be specifically behind this agenda to foment hate and

agitation against the Jewish race.

Phelps: Absolutely. Especially the American Jews, because there are more American

Jews, here in this country, than there are in Israel. And one of their agendas in the next

10‑20 years is to create anti‑Jewish fury, and to drive the American Jews back to Israel,

killing millions of them, as well, here, because they’re planning to bring their Roman

Catholic Fascist dictator to power—just like they did with Hitler in Germany; just like they

did with Stalin in Russia; just like they did with Franco in Spain; just like they did with

Mussolini in Italy. They have the same exact agenda here. They’re going to do it through

the Republican, “New Right” party, of which George Bush is now the head.

Martin: At one point, you made a comment privately concerning the Right‑Wing militia

movement possibly being influenced with another agenda. Can you talk about that?

I’ll just say up‑front that this is going to strike at the heart of many people’s belief

system. And some may have difficulty with what you say.

Phelps: The Right‑Wing militia groups—the posse comitatus, etc., Ku Klux Klan, the

Minutemen, they all have one thing in common: they all hate the Jews. That puts up a

flag for me. And if they all hate the Jews, that tells me that they have been imbibed, or

indoctrinated, with hatred for the Jews. They all hate the Jews; and as an aside, so do

the Black Moslems [Muslims]. Louis Farrakhan openly hands‑out The Protocols Of The

Learned Elders Of Zion and blames all our problems, and all the Black man’s problems, on

the Jews.

So, the Right‑Wing posse comitatus groups are all controlled by the Jesuits because

they are all anti‑Jew, and they have NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE JESUIT ORDER.


Martin: Wouldn’t you say that most of the groups just don’t have a clue about the

Jesuit Order?

Phelps: Not their leadership. A lot of these groups have Catholics in them. There’s not

a Catholic around who doesn’t know the power of the Jesuit Order, in their educational

power, and the power of government.

We have Drinin in Congress; we have McLaughlin who was writing speeches for Nixon

for $35,000 a year. We have Jesuits all throughout the government. There’s not any

intelligent Roman Catholic who’s involved in these Right‑Wing Movements who doesn’t

know the power of the Jesuits.



So, this Timothy McVeigh thing—is that what we’re leading to?

Martin: Well, no, but go ahead.

Phelps: This Timothy McVeigh thing—here’s another Irish Roman Catholic sacrificed,

just like Kennedy, for the sake of attempting to create a national backlash or agitation

against the Right‑Wing Movement people, because a lot of the Right‑Wing Movement

people are true patriots who want their liberty; they want to maintain their guns; they

want freedom to educate their children as they wish; they’re decent people, but they

are not aware that the leadership is controlled by the Vatican.

So, the Jesuits in control of Clinton fomented the Oklahoma City bombing to justify

going after these Right‑Wing, conservative, many of them Bible‑believing, people in this

movement, for their round‑up and extermination. But it didn’t quite work.

So, they imploded the building. They got rid of Timothy McVeigh. That whole

execution could have been stayed with one phone call from the Archbishop of New York

to the Bishop of Oklahoma City, and he wouldn’t do it.

That was the purpose of the Oklahoma City bombing, the creation of anti‑Right‑Wing

feeling. And the people at the top, controlling the Right‑Wing organizations, will betray

their own people, just exactly as the White Russians were betrayed during the

Communist Revolution from 1917‑1922.

Their own leadership will betray them—just as Hitler betrayed his armies to the East,

cut‑off supplies, would not allow them to take Moscow, froze them in the snows of

Russia; just as Napoleon betrayed his armies in the East, abandoned 250,000 men; that’s

exactly what’s going to be done to our Right‑Wing patriotic people who are the only

bulwark against tyranny in this country today.

Martin: We’re almost to the present day. But, before we get to the present day, let’s

stop for a minute, once again, and talk about JFK’s assassination. I’m going to mention a

few names, and then let’s talk about the Jesuit influence behind that assassination and

the reasons why.

John McCone, head of the CIA; Cardinal Spellman, Archbishop of New York; Henry

Luce; Carthe DeLouche; and E. Howard Hunt. Why are these names important? What are

their relationships? And WHY would you point the finger at someone like the Archbishop

of New York, Cardinal Spellman, of all people, to place the responsibility for the JFK

assassination directly at the Vatican? How can you justify that?

Phelps: We know we’re looking at a conspiracy, so we ask the question, again: Who

benefits? Who benefited from the death of JFK? Well, we know, according to the works

of the great Fletcher Prouty, JFK was going to end the Vietnam War in 1965. We also

know that JFK was going to end the reign of the CIA, and all of their military, covert

operations were going to be handed‑over to the Army Chiefs of Staff. Therefore, the CIA

benefited, and those who wanted the Vietnam War benefited.

We now must ask the question: Who wanted the Vietnam War? Well, we know that

many factions did, but we see, openly and in our face, Cardinal Spellman wanted the

Vietnam War. Cardinal Spellman’s man in Vietnam was Diem. Diem was a fascist Roman

Catholic, persecuting the Buddhists. And his brother was head of the Secret Police. So,

Diem was Cardinal Spellman’s man in Vietnam. Diem was assassinated because Kennedy

withdrew the CIA representative out of Saigon.

The other thing is, Cardinal Spellman, throughout the Vietnam War, would travel over

there at the war‑front and he’d call the soldiers the “soldiers of Christ”, according to

Avro Manhattan, in his great work Vietnam: Why Did We Go? So, Cardinal Spellman

wanted the Vietnam War, and if Cardinal Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, the Pope

wanted the Vietnam War, and if the Pope wanted the Vietnam War, the Black Pope

wanted the Vietnam War, the Jesuit General.

Martin: Who was?

Phelps: Jean Baptiste Janssens. He died in 1964. From 1964 to 1983 or so, it was

Pedro Arrupe.

Martin: So you’re saying that Janssens had an agenda.

Phelps: Jean Baptist Janssens had an agenda, and that agenda was to annihilate as

many Buddhists as possible, because the Buddhists have always been the enemies of the

Jesuits. When the Jesuits took Japan in 1873, what did they do? They outlawed, they

made it so that the government of Japan would not support the Buddhist religion

anymore. Buddhism has ceased to be the state religion. So they’ve always been the

enemy of the Buddhists.

The other thing about the Vietnam War is that it created a $220 billion dollar debt for

the American people, and that debt was incurred by the Congress, who borrowed that

money from the Jesuits’ Federal Reserve Bank.

So the Jesuits made big money. They killed lots of “heretics”. They preserved the CIA.

Because, remember: the CIA was initially founded and set‑up by one particular man,

Reinhard Gehlen, who was a Nazi General, who was Hitler’s most sinister General. And so,

he incorporated all of the Nazi intelligence apparatus into the CIA in the West. It was

also incorporated into the KGB in the East. They were called “Freedom Fighters”; they

were really working for the KGB, these SS, Nazi men. If the Jesuit General controlled the

KGB, he controls the CIA.

Kennedy was getting in the way. Kennedy also did not want the voucher system for

public schools, of which George Bush is a great promoter. The Vatican wants the

American taxpayer to pay for Catholic schools because, remember, Roman Catholicism,

left to itself, without government support, crumbles. It has nothing to offer. There is no

freedom of speech, no freedom of press.



They are simply to obey their hierarchy, and in America that’s not good enough.

Catholic people don’t want that in America. Catholic people, for the most part, enjoy

freedom of press, and freedom of speech, and freedom to make a profit; all of those

things the Vatican does not want. A case in point is all of South America and Central


Martin: Well, why do you think—other than the fact that there have been 100‑200

people killed who knew anything about the JFK assassination—why do you think it’s never

come out?

Phelps: Because the American branch of the Knights of Malta, of which McCone was

a member, Henry Luce was a member, William F. Buckley was a member, Lee Iacocca

was a member, Cartha DeLoach of the FBI was a member, etc. They control the press!

And they controlled CBS, at that time, with a man named Frank Shakespeare, who was a

Knight of Malta. The Knights control ABC, CBS, and NBC, and Time/Life; that’s why

Time/Life attempted to destroy the Zapruder film.

I might also add, throughout the publication of “The Black Pope” interview we did back

in May 2000, and my first two manuscripts since that time, there has not been one

Roman Catholic who has emailed me, or attempted to contact me in any way, denying

that Cardinal Spellman did this; not one. But we have several clandestine Jesuits who are

in complete agreement, and who admit that this is exactly what was done.

Martin: Let me ask you about Opus Dei. We’ve been accused of hiding Opus Dei in the

background as being the real power behind the Vatican, and therefore, the power over

the Jesuits. Have we conspired to withhold the mention of Opus Dei in our discussions?

Phelps: No. Opus Dei is a subordinate organization to the Pope, who is in control of

the Knights of Malta, and therefore there are Knights of Malta in Opus Dei.

The Jesuits control Opus Dei through the hierarchy of the Pope and through the

Knights of Malta. Opus Dei is composed of prominent Roman Catholic businessmen and

politicians who have given themselves over to “God’s work”—that’s what Opus Dei

means—for making the Pope the Universal Monarch of the world, ruling the world from

Solomon’s rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.

An example of this is the former head of the FBI, Louis Freeh, was a member of Opus


And so, we now understand the Waco incident, where those White Protestants were

killed; it was the work of the Opus Dei. And we also have to remember that the

sharpshooter, one of them there, was a Japanese Roman Catholic, Lon Horiuchi.

But Opus Dei is determined to create a World Government under the Pope. Opus Dei

was created in the 20th Century, whereas the Knights of Malta were created in the 11th

Century, and the Jesuits were created in the 16th Century, in 1540, with Ignatius


So, the super‑secret society of the Jesuit Order, in control of the Knights of Malta,

were in existence nearly 500 years before Opus Dei. Opus Dei, like the Knights of

Columbus, is a subordinate organization to the Jesuit Order.

Martin: Ok, now that we have some of these things put temporarily to rest—until the

book comes out!—let’s talk about the present day.

There are a few things happening that everyone needs to be aware of and concerned

about. I’ll just mention a few countries, and then we can begin: Israel, Cuba, China,

North Africa, and Japan. What’s happening with our relationship with these countries?

How are we going to be sucked‑in to a conflict? And what are the ramifications going to

be? Lines in the sand are being drawn, alliances are being created between powerful

nations, and why should we be concerned about that?

That’s a big question.

Phelps: That’s a big question. I’ll try to deal with a piece at a time, if I may.

I’m going to start with the 14th Amendment American Empire that was established in

1868 after the Jesuit Order destroyed the Federal Republic or the Confederate Republic

of sovereign nation states that Washington established in 1789.

The Jesuits have used the 14th Amendment American Empire to restore the temporal

power of the Pope over all nations around the world for the last 100 years. And that’s

why they have garrisoned American troops throughout the world. That’s why they have

laid upon us an iniquitous and sinful federal income tax, with which they finance these

crusades around the world.

So, their American Empire has served them well in the restoration of the temporal

power of the Pope around the world, especially over Orthodox Russia, Buddhist China,

Buddhist Japan, South and Central America through the CIA; this is the purpose for the

British and America Empires. They used the British Empire in the 19th Century to do this,

and they used the American Empire in the 20th Century to do this. So they take the

most powerful Protestant empires, and the wealthiest, harness their governments, and

use such for their own purposes.

Alright, now that America has been used for its purpose, it is time to destroy it. And

we must remember that America is the haven for the Jews of the world, which the

Jesuits have accursed; it is the haven for Bible‑believing Protestants, called “heretics”,

who the Jesuits have accursed; and it is the haven for peoples of many, many different

races who simply want to have some liberty in life, which are called “liberals”, which the

Jesuits have accursed.

The United States is a refugee nation, made up of many, many nationalities now. We

are no longer a White, Anglo‑Saxon, Protestant nation, as we were. We are composed of

a host of different nationalities, with a host of religious beliefs, and thus this nation has

been fragmented and agitated and is a disconcerted mess, with no real national purpose


The Jesuits have fired‑up the Negro agitation of the Civil Rights Movement. They

continue to fire that up with Hollywood, with such movies as Roots, etc.

They don’t tell the whole story of Malcolm X. He was an agitator to begin with. When

he came back from Mecca, he changed his story and denounced the Nation of Islam,

along with the Ku Klux Klan, stating that “they both had the same paymasters”. And he

was absolutely right. They have agitated and broken apart this country, so we have no

more national purpose.

The next thing that they’ve done, they’ve disarmed us. They’ve closed‑down over 100

military bases. We have no domestic defense. The foreigners, the Mexicans come across

the borders by the thousands, and the major corporations hire them, and they do their

work for them, which is all illegal. It should be punished by law. But we have no

punishment by law in this country anymore.

So we have the reign of crime. We have all of these illegal immigrants. We have the

destruction of the White race. When this nation ceases to be White, it will cease to be

great, because there is not a nation in the world that’s a nation of color that can

compete on the international scale of business and trade and commerce; they can’t do


A nation that was once White, but is now a nation of color, is Cuba. Cuba used to be

a prosperous, beautiful place, but now, with all the amalgamation and inter‑racial

marriage, it’s 95% Black; it’s under a Roman Catholic, Jesuit‑trained Dictator named Fidel

Castro; and it is a miserable place to live. And that is EXACTLY what this country is

going to be like if it continues on the track it is now on.

The Jesuits have determined to destroy this American Empire that they have used for

the last 100 years. So what they are doing now is, they are going to break apart the


And how are they doing this? Well, one of the things they’ve done is they’ve created

this issue where an American submarine hit this Japanese fishing boat, killing all the

Japanese on the boat, I believe, and the skipper was court‑martialed. But nonetheless, it

was a deliberate act of murder, because with that kind of technology on a submarine,

you just don’t hit a boat. And you just don’t have some civilian driving the submarine

either. That’s ridiculous. So they are creating agitations with nations like Japan, with this


They’re creating deliberate agitation with nations like China, with the bombing of the

Chinese Embassy in Belgrade. They’re creating agitations with China, Japan, which will

ultimately result in Japan and China uniting. With the military power of China, with the

economic power of Japan—when already Hong Kong has been given to China, which now,

because of that financial might, China is able to take control of the Panama Canal; they

control the canal locks through Hutchen Wimpoa, a Chinese corporation. They are now

building the largest shipping dock in the world in the Bahamas, owned by the Red

Chinese. The Red Chinese now have the Long Beach Naval Station, which is now Cosco.

So they are in a position now to be able to establish a beach‑head when they invade.

The thing is: Does China have the fleet to do it? No, China doesn’t have the fleet right

now to do it, but Russia does. Russia has the largest merchant marine fleet in the world.

And we are very much deceived into thinking that China and Russia are enemies. They

are not enemies; they work together. They are controlled by the same Jesuit Order. The

Jesuits run Peking; they also run Moscow. They run the dictator of China and they run

the dictator of Russia. It doesn’t matter who he is. It doesn’t matter what their names

are. The Jesuits control them, and if they resist them, they’re out! Just like in the United


So, they’re breaking apart the American Empire. They’re creating a huge coalition of

Oriental nations for our invasion.

Now, let’s talk about Africa. There are 700,000, as I understand it, Chinese troops in

Somalia. Chuck Colson, one of the conspirators in the Kennedy assassination and the

Watergate cover‑up, is now the false Bible‑believer, the false Protestant. He’s working

for the Jesuits because the head of his prison fellowship is a Roman Catholic.

Colson now is being used to try to get an American military force into the Sudan to

save these Black Christians, who in fact are Black Roman Catholics. If that is

accomplished, if that is done, we are now going to have a large military force in the

Sudan, and there’s a large military force in Somalia. What do you think it would take for

those two military forces to clash?

And if those military forces clash, we will have an escalation in Africa, which I believe

is what the Jesuits want. Because, if that happens, there can be a surgical strike into

Jerusalem for the blowing‑up of the Dome of the Rock. The Moslems, the Muftis, have

known that was the intent of the Zionists for years, the blowing of the Dome of the

Rock, so that Solomon’s Temple can be rebuilt. And you can find this information in Pierre

van Paassen’s great work, written in 1939, called Days Of Our Years. So, with this

coalition with the 14th Amendment American forces against the Chinese forces in Africa,

this could happen.

Now, what would happen as a result of the destruction of the Dome of the Rock? Well,

the Moslems regard the Dome of the Rock as the third most important holy place in their

religion. They would call for a Jihad against “The Great Satan”, the United States. And

with a Jihad, a Holy War, against the United States, they would then go across Africa to

West Africa. There will probably be a coalition of ships ready at that time, to be ferried

across the Atlantic Ocean into Cuba. And Cuba will be the landing base, the staging base

for the invasion of the Protestant American South, the last real Protestant bastion of

liberty in the world.

Remember: according to the Koran, it is no murder to kill a Christian; in fact, it is a

virtuous act.

So, here we’d have all of these Moslem troopers, millions of Moslem troopers will be

landing in Miami, landing in New Orleans, landing in the South of the United States,

coupled with a Cuban military force, coupled with, probably, also a Chinese military force

coming from the West Coast, and coming up through the Panama Canal to unite with

them in the attack of the American South. With the blood bath that will ensue, this

whole coalition of nations: China, Russia, Cuba, the Arabs, they will carry out the

destruction and annihilation of this North American population, WHICH INCLUDES

CANADA; it definitely includes Canada.

It is for this reason, because the government is controlled by the Jesuits, the

government of the United States is seeking our total disarmament and the abolition of all

gun ownership. This is why the Jesuit Conference, for years, has been

anti‑gun‑ownership, meaning handguns, rifles, and shotguns.

So, to have the American people completely disarmed, our military cut way down, we

have no Navy any more, really, to speak of; we have no Army—it’s a totally demoralized

Army, with this forced integration; and we have Black supremacy in the Army.

I was there, in Germany, for 3 years. I watched it with my own eyes. So, we have a

demoralized American Army that doesn’t know what to fight.

Martin: Let me just jump‑in here to say that Bush is beefing‑up the military, reversing

what was done previously by Clinton. How can you say we have a weak Army when

we’re about to spend billions beefing up our defenses? Is this just a show?

Phelps: That’s just a show. Because the Jesuits who controlled Clinton are the same

Jesuits who control Bush. And remember, we were already scaling‑down with Carter and

Reagan and Ford.

And so, this whole idea of re‑armament, it might be for some super‑system of

preventing missiles from coming in, an anti‑ballistic missile system, but that’s ridiculous,

because we know there is no such thing as universal nuclear war. We have no evidence

that incoming nukes can detonate a specific target.

We don’t know EXACTLY what transpired at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but they have

contorted that into the hoax of thermo‑nuclear war, which I do not believe can happen.

Bruce Cathie doesn’t believe it can happen; William Cooper doesn’t believe it can happen;

and other physicists don’t believe it can happen. Other physicists don’t believe it’s

possible, which now limits us to a standing army of men who know how to fight, which

we do not have. We don’t have it anymore.

So, with all of these hordes of invaders coming in, and a disarmed population, it would

be a piece of cake. Remember that Spain was invaded by 4 million Moslem troopers. They

landed in the Canary Islands, and from the Canary Islands they then invaded Spain, and

they were led by a Roman Catholic Archbishop who was backing Franco! This is in the


If they did it in the ’30s, won’t they do it now? And if they used Moslems to kill

Orthodox Serbians just recently, in the 1990s, wouldn’t they use Moslems to kill

Protestant Americans? If they used Moslems to kill Roman Catholic Spanish, wouldn’t

they do the same thing here? Sure they would. So that’s what is happening in the United


Martin: What just happened in Europe with Bush going over there and theoretically

being given a hard time by the European community? What do you see happening in

Europe right now?

Phelps: Well, not believing the press is our first maxim of reading.

Remember, a unified Europe is a Vatican brainchild. That all originated with the Jesuits

in the Vatican for the reuniting of the Holy Roman Empire, which our friend Leo Lehmann

said is exactly what the Jesuits wanted in 1942—a reunited Holy Roman Empire with a

Catholic Germany at it’s core.

Martin: And you base all of your conclusions just on this one person?

Phelps: No, no, no, no—this is a certain topic, and he adds to the color we’re given.

Martin: I know that, but I asked the question that way because not all of our readers

will be aware of the extent of the bibliography supporting the contentions of your


Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits want a unified Europe. The Bible‑believers of England are

greatly resisting it, but the Jesuit‑controlled Tony Blair will, ultimately, bring England into

that Union. And Bush is helping to co‑ordinate that, because the Federal Reserve Bank,

the largest bank in the world, is one of the greatest contributors, or players, in

international trading.

Martin: Are you saying that Alan Greenspan is a pawn of the Jesuit Order?

Phelps: Absolutely. Alan Greenspan is a Masonic Jewish Zionist and a pawn of the

Jesuit Order. And the Jesuits are very careful to have visible Jews at the head of the

Federal Reserve System so they can blame all the evils of the Federal Reserve Bank on

the Jews.

We’re never told, for example, that the head, right now, of the most powerful Federal

Reserve Bank—because there are 12 of them—in New York is a man named McDonough.

He’s an Irish Roman Catholic. He’s a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He’s a

friend, a bosom‑buddy of O’Hare, who is the President and Jesuit of the 4th Vow of

Fordham University.

Why are we not told that about the Federal Reserve Bank? It’s always Jews, Jews,

Jews. Jews are just pawns. They’ve always been the bankers for the Pope. The Masonic

Jewish bankers are the bankers for the Pope. And before the Rothschild's, it was the


Martin: Who are the College of Cardinals who choose the Pope?

Phelps: The College of Cardinals is REALLY the Roman Senate. The Pope is really the

Caesar. And so this military Caesar is elected by Roman Senators, as to who will be their

leader for World Government under the 7th Roman Caesar, who’s yet to come. And so,

the ones who do the electing are the Cardinals.

Martin: Now, those who see the current Pope see a very frail man. Has he served

well? Is that why he’s been allowed to stay on so long?

Phelps: He’s done very well. He’s served the Jesuit Order perfectly. This supposed rift

between him and Arrupe, and suppressing the Jesuits with their Liberation Theology in

Central America, is all for public consumption. That Pope is completely emasculated with

regard to the power of the Jesuit Order.

The Jesuit Order has proven its power with the Napoleonic Wars, the killing of Pope

Pius VI, the imprisoning of Pius VII, the restoration by Pius VII.



Just like Hitler fashioned his Third Reich around the Papacy, the Secret Police or the

SS were modeled after the Jesuits, and the Jesuits are the Secret Police of the Vatican

Empire. They keep things in order. Without the Jesuit Order, the Vatican and the Papacy

and the hierarchy would fall apart.

Martin: Who issued the Papal Bull suppressing the Jesuit Order?

Phelps: Pope Clement XIV.

Martin: Let’s talk about that.

Phelps: Pope Clement XIV was a Franciscan. His name was Ganganelli. He was

elected Pope due to the influence of the Bourbon monarchs—the Bourbon King of Spain,

the Bourbon King of France, and the Braganzas of Portugal. Those insisted that a Pope

would be brought to power who would suppress the Jesuit Order, because the Jesuits

were busy making billions in South America, and never gave a dime to the Portuguese

King and the Spanish King.

Martin: How were they making money in South America?

Phelps: They were making money in South America with their Reductions.

Martin: What are Reductions?

Phelps: Reductions are like communes; they’re like a Kibbutz in Israel or a commune in


Martin: And what years are we talking about.

Phelps: We’re talking between 1600‑1750, roughly 150 years of these Reductions,

where these Garani Indians were putting hides and tallow and clocks and the Paraguay

herb and many, many commodities into international shipping and trade—which the

Jesuits shipped all around the world with their “Black Ships”, and had HUGE commercial

profits with which they started banks in Europe and then funded wars. And one of the

projects that they funded were the Napoleanic Wars.

Martin: This Pope, Ganganelli, suppressed the Jesuits with a Papal Bull?

Phelps: That’s right. Dominus Ac Redemptor. That was the Bull. That is its formal


Martin: What is a Bull?

Phelps: A Bull is a legal document that the Pope speaks within his most powerful

method of speaking. It’s sealed with “the seal of the fishman”. A “brief” does not have

that seal. A brief is a less powerful document; it can be overruled with a Bull.

Martin: So, this Pope, in 1773, issued the Bull eliminating the Jesuit Order forever?

Phelps: Forever! After a 4‑year investigation of all their intrigues, of all their power,

of all their wealth, of all their buildings, everything, after a 4‑year investigation they

were abolished by Clement XIV. And, remember, Clement XIII was about to do the same

thing when, the night before, he was poisoned.

So, Clement XIV was brought to power then and, after a 4‑year investigation, he

suppresses them. And when he did so, he said: “This suppression will be my death.”

Martin: And it was.

Phelps: And it was—14 months later, he died. He was poisoned by the Jesuits with a

poison called Aquetta.

It’s a slow poison that caused his intestines to have terrible, terrible pain. And when

he was embalmed, the intestines exploded and they could not have an open‑casket for

viewing this Pope. The flesh fell off of his fingers; his fingernails turned black; his skin

turned black; all his hair fell out; so they decided they could not have an open display of

the Pope in his garb. So they had a closed casket.

Martin: So, this Papal Bull, which was a PERMANENT dismantling of the Jesuit Order,

was later overruled?

Phelps: Right.

Martin: Now, how can a permanent disbanding of the Order be overruled at all?

Phelps: The Jesuits came out and said this was not a Bull. Even though, according to

Thompson in his Footprints Of The Jesuits, and according the Cusack’s The Black Pope,

even though they said it was a Bull, and Thompson said it was in the Library of the Bulls

in Rome, even though it’s a Bull, the Jesuits came out and said it was a brief. And,

therefore, Pope Pius VII, upon their restoration, he instituted a Bull restoring the Jesuits,

which “overruled the brief”. That’s what they teach.



Martin: Ok, we’re jumping all over the place here, but we’re just going to go with the

flow. How did the Jesuits, in England, issue their instructions to the Queen? Where is

their seat of power in England, specifically?

Phelps: I believe their seat of power in England is Stonyhurst University. An English

Lord, Thomas Well, gives Stoneyhurst to the Jesuits in, I believe, 1795—about the time

of the French Revolution and just before the Napoleonic Wars.

Stonyhurst became their seat, their fortress from which they would control England.

And they were brought into England and helped at that by King George III. King George

was the bosom‑buddy of the Jesuits. And the English monarchs have been their

bosom‑buddy ever since. King George reigned for quite a few years; I believe he reigned

for nearly 40 years. And Victoria enjoyed the very same thing; she ruled from 1837‑1901.

So, through the rule of George and Victoria, they completely controlled England

through Stonyhurst. Today they run England through the Royal Institute for International

Affairs. And the Cardinal, who they rule through, is the Archbishop of Westminster.

So, they have the Archbishop of Westminster in England, and they have the

Archbishop of New York in the United States. They rule England through Stonyhurst.

They rule the United States through Georgetown and Fordham. They rule England

through the Royal Institute for International Affairs. They rule the United States through

the Council on Foreign Relations.

It’s an identical system in both countries because it is an Empire. It is a Vatican

Empire. That’s how they rule.

In Russia, they rule Moscow through the Patriarch of the Armenian Church. So, the

Patriarch is like the Archbishop in London and New York. And it’s the Patriarch, there in

Moscow, who oversees the KGB and the inquisition there, called the gulag. Agagianian

was the Patriarch who was appointed a Cardinal by Pope Pius XII, the very same year,

1946, that Cardinal Spellman was made Cardinal for the American Empire.

Martin: How does the Mafia figure into all of this?

Phelps: The Mafia is run by Italian Roman Catholics, Sicilians primarily. And the Mafia

takes care of all organized crime. They took care of the booze, before it was legalized.

They took care of prostitution, the drug running, gun running, all the crime is organized

by the Vatican, through the Mafia families—the five Mafia families of New York.

It’s interesting that the Mafia Commission out of New York is in the same location, and

not far from, the Archbishop of New York. So the Archbishop is very close to his mob


Spellman used his mob bosses in the invasion of Sicily, using Lucky Luciano, called

Operation Underworld. Here’s Spellman working with Lucky Luciano for a “successful

Naval invasion” of Sicily, for which reason he is influential and causes the release of

Lucky Luciano in 1946 to go back to Italy. So we have the relationship of Cardinal

Spellman and the mob. And if Cardinal Spellman had that power, every Cardinal afterward

has the same power. They don’t lose any power.

Now, one of the most obvious connections between the Archbishop of New York and

the mob is Frank Sinatra. Frank Sinatra was a good bosom friend with Gambino. Gambino

was murdered with a vaccination, with a flu shot. They wanted him out of the way, so

they murdered him with a flu shot. Frank Sinatra was also a Knight of Malta, who is

subject, then, to the Archbishop of New York. So, you have the Archbishop controlling

the Knights of Malta. Frank Sinatra is one of them, and Frank Sinatra is a good friend of

a mafia don.

Martin: Let’s talk about Princess Diana. Do you think the Jesuits were behind her


Phelps: Absolutely, because the Jesuits control the British Secret Service.

Martin: Let’s talk about Princess Diana. Why was she a threat to the Jesuits?

Phelps: She was a threat in that if she had married a Moslem, Dodi Fayed, that would

have overturned the Throne of England, because she still had rights through her children.

Because her sons would one day occupy the British throne, and if she is alive with a

Moslem Prince as a husband, we have a problem in England. Because everybody knows

that the Queen Mother, really, has a lot of control over the King. And there would have

been an Islamic, Arab influence on the Queen, who would influence her son, who would

be King, who is now Prince.

Martin: So you think that the powers that be, within the Jesuit Order, knew that she

was pregnant with Dodi’s child?

Phelps: I believe so; and that’s why they got rid of her—absolutely. And they sent a

message to all the other British nobility by saying: “If you do this, we’re going to do the

same thing to you.” Furthermore, they buried her in the cemetery, on the Windsor

property, where only dogs are buried. She’s buried with dogs.

Martin: What kind of symbolism is that?

Phelps: Because she was a “Moslem dog” in their eyes.

Martin: In the recent June, 2001 issue of The SPECTRUM, we shared an article from

Sherman Skolnick in which he not only mentions the Jesuits, but he talks about the

incredible financial influence, and power, and control in California and elsewhere by the

Japanese Mafia, called the Yakuza. Is there any relationship between the Yakuza and the


Phelps: Absolutely. The Jesuits control the Yakuza. To understand this, we have to go

back in the history of Japan. Japan had, wonderfully and righteously, expelled the Jesuits

from their Empire around 1619, give or take a few years. The Jesuits were forbidden to

ever enter Japan!

The Japanese, then, kicked‑out the Portuguese; they kicked‑out the Spanish. The

only ones who could ever trade with Japan were the Dutch, the Protestant Dutch. Well,

when the Jesuits were beginning to get control of our country, they got control of Polk.

And Polk was responsible for the sending of Commodore Perry to Japan.

Martin: What year?

Phelps: 1853‑1854. He then opens up Japan to international trade. So now

“foreigners” can enter into Japan. Foreigners then began an agitation and a revolution in

Japan. The reigning Emperor of Japan, who was a young man about 35, wanted to get rid

of the Jesuits and these foreign powers, so he was assassinated.

According to Ryu Ohta, my friend in Japan, the Japanese had been taught that he was

killed by Sassoon House—the Jews. But the Emperor was really killed by the Jesuits,

because the son of this Emperor later went on to rule Japan from 1873 to 1912, and this

Emperor was the grandfather to Hirohito.

This Emperor was a young boy at the time he came to power. He ruled for all those

years. The Jesuits during that time dis‑established the Buddhists as a state religion, and

made tremendous inroads in power in Japan, controlling the Dynasty, because they were

going to use Japan to foment a war with the United States for the purpose of eliminating

as much Buddhism as they could from the Far East, and weakening the American

Protestants, and many other purposes, such as killing off Protestant missionaries in the

Far East—whereas the Japanese Army never persecuted the Catholic missionaries. And

this is according to the Jesuits’ own magazine America, written and published in 1943 or


This is where the Jesuits got their power over the Emperor, and thus the Yakuza. So

now, the Jesuits have that power, they maintain that power. They maintained power

over Hirohito. And thus, they have power over the Yakuza today, in Japan and California.

Martin: There was a book written many years ago called Tai Pan. Now, would a Tai

Pan, symbolically, be the equivalent of the Black Pope?

Phelps: Sure. It’s a Secret Society. It’s a Japanese Secret Society that really rules.

Martin: Theoretically they would rule independently.

Phelps: They rule together with the Monarch.

Martin: Which would be the real Black Pope?

Phelps: The Black Pope. Remember, the Black Pope is in control of the Monarch of


Martin: We need to explain to our readers that the Jesuit Order is NOT a religious

order, it is a MILITARY ORDER.

Phelps: It is a military order. When they dawn religious garb to get into a country to

talk about Christ and God and so forth, they really want to capture the power and

wealth of every country, to submit every country to the temporal, Earthly, political

power of the Pope.

Martin: I don’t want to get too far off‑subject here, but would you say “As with the

Jews, so with the Yakuza”?

Phelps: Correct. As with the Masonic Jewish Zionists, so with the Masonic Yakuza.

They’re all Masonic. Masonry unites all religions into one.

Martin: And behind the scenes the Jesuits are pulling the strings?

Phelps: Pulling the strings because they wrote all of the Masonic rites.

Martin: For our Masonic scholars out there, on what do you base that?

Phelps: We know that, according to several citations I reference in the book

VATICAN ASSASSINS, the Jesuits wrote the first 25 degrees of the Scottish Rite

Freemasonry, from the College of Clermont, which was changed to the College of Louis

LeGrand, in Paris, France.

Martin: What year?

Phelps: 1754. That is a fact. The Jesuits wrote those rites.

Martin: Do you have any names behind that?

Phelps: Oh, I believe Chevalier Ramsey was, Chevalier de Bonneville was one.

Remember the Bonneville automobile, and Pontiac? Those were Jesuits. And we have

Adam Weishaupt, who was a Jesuit, who was a Mason. And it was the Rothschild

Luciferians. So we have many dovetails of the Jesuits being Freemasons.

And we know, according to our hero Alberto Rivera, that Pedro Arrupe was a Mason,

and Pedro Arrupe was a Jesuit General. Pedro Arrupe was a Mason AND in the Communist

Party of Spain when he was a Jesuit General.

So, we also know that the Jesuits were involved in the writing of the last 8 degrees of

Scottish Rite Freemasonry, with Fredrick the Great in Prussia, while Fredrick protected

the Jesuits and gave them the ability to live in his country, while they were being

suppressed by the Pope.

Martin: Let’s circle back around to the Yakuza. According to Skolnick, the Yakuza

own many, many businesses in this country, many, many banks are owned and controlled

in California and elsewhere by the Yakuza. Now, are you saying that’s just a front?

Phelps: They’re just a front, like any other Mafia, like the Italian Mafia, which is the

foremost Mafia in organized crime.

Martin: Which J. Edgar Hoover said “Didn’t exist.”!

Phelps: Which he said didn’t exist. It’s all baloney. It is just a front. They hold the

property, they hold the money for the Vatican.

Martin: So the Yakuza would be the 3rd trusted party that we talked about?

Phelps: That’s right, they’re the 3rd trusted party. And I tend to also believe that

there is some kind of hand involved in the murder of Bruce Lee with this. Bruce Lee was

not going along with the Catholic Church.

Martin: And he was giving away secrets.

Phelps: He was giving away martial arts secrets, and so on, and he was not going

along with the Vatican. Remember, he had a rift with Hollywood, and most of his films

were made in Hong Kong.

Martin: And his son was also killed not long ago.

Phelps: His son was then killed on a movie‑making set also. So his son knew

something. And evidently, just like Jackie Kennedy, Linda Lee doesn’t open her mouth. So

there are two murders here that the Secret Societies are involved in.

Martin: You don’t talk too much about Bobby Kennedy. Has your research uncovered

any names behind Bobby Kennedy’s assassination?

Phelps: Well, we know that Officer Thane Eugene Cesar really pulled the trigger, shot

him in the back of the head with a twenty‑two. And Officer Cesar was an employee for

Lockheed Corporation. The Jesuits, according to Avro Manhattan, control Lockheed.

So, just as Lee Iacocca dispatches his security chief to drive the bullet‑ridden

limousine of Kennedy from Washington to Cincinnati to get repaired, even so, some

Knight of Malta in charge of Lockheed Corporation, I don’t know who it was, dispatches

Officer Cesar to be a guard of Robert F. Kennedy—who then, in turn, shoots and kills

him. And Sirhan was a scapegoat, just like Oswald was a scapegoat.

Martin: What do you have to say about Earl Warren?

Phelps: Earl Warren was in the hands of the Jesuits when he was the governor of

California. Earl Warren was one of the sinister individuals behind that evil and terrible

Japanese concentration camp system. That was his brainchild. He was behind the

anti‑Jap agitation in World War II.

The Japanese are decent, law‑abiding, peaceful people, for the most part. They had

all their farms taken from them. They were in control of all of the produce, and they had

it all stolen from them by Roman Catholic, Knight of Malta‑controlled corporations—just

as was done to the American Indian. They went into their burial grounds and stole all

their gold, and used their missions to send it back to Rome.

So, Earl Warren was a part of this. He was a good boy, so they named him and put

him on the Supreme Court. He was the Chief Justice.

He was a 33rd‑degree Freemason involved in the Kennedy assassination, forced

amalgamation, forced race‑mixing with the Supreme Court decision in 1966, forced

integration with the Brown vs. The Board Of Education in 1954.

Martin: I’m going to ask you now a very important question, one that will be on the

minds of many people: Why should our readers not feel that you are merely substituting

the word JESUITS for JEWS in terms of fomenting hatred and animosity toward Jesuit

people? Why is that not so?

Phelps: Well, first of all, there’s a tremendous difference between the Jesuit Order

and the Jewish race.

We don’t know exactly who the Jewish race is. I sure don’t know. I think only God

knows who it is. But it’s a civilization of people who are engaged in commerce and trade,

and they have cultures, they have communities.

Jesuits are an army. They’re soldiers. They’re under oath. When you become

professed of the 4th Degree, they give you The Secret Instructions.

According to another gentleman, he says there’s a degree beyond the 4th Degree,

where it’s absolute Luciferianism. This is according to Jim Arrabito, who died mysteriously

in a plane crash in Alaska on September 2, 1990. Jim Arrabito was one of the chief guys

in the Seventh Day Adventists, and he was a master of Jesuit history. You can get his

videos, Secrets Of The Jesuits, from L.L.M. Productions.

But anyway, the difference between the Jews and the Jesuits is strictly—one is a

people, and one is an Order determined to subvert all nations to the jurisdiction of the


And, in light of the documents that I provide with the book version of VATICAN

ASSASSINS—I have over 4,000 pages on CD‑ROM, with four distinct different histories

showing the history of the Order—that’s exactly what they were doing then, and that’s

exactly what they’re doing now.

Martin: So what’s different about what you’re saying? Rather than just being another

wild conspiracy theory, it’s your position that you’ve really proven that this is a fact, and

not fantasy?

Phelps: Other men have proven the fact. I just reiterate what they’ve said.

If you read The Black Pope, by Cusack, she says the very same thing. She was a nun,

a converted nun to Christ in 1896.

Martin: And why is she so important?

Phelps: Because she was a nun intimately involved with priests, and especially

Jesuits, prior to her conversion to Christ. She would know; she was on the inside.

Martin: Why is that book so important?

Phelps: Because it has been suppressed and stolen out of every library in the world!

There is only one in existence that I know of, that’s publicly accessible, and that is in

the British Museum.

It’s also accessible on the CD‑ROM included with the book VATICAN ASSASSINS, for

those of your readers who would like it. But, other than that, it’s a suppressed

document. Griesinger, Thompson, Cusack, Nicolini—those are the four major histories of

the Jesuit Order, and all four are on the CD‑ROM [along with a number of other rare and

otherwise “missing” research documents].

Martin: So you’re saying that the time‑lines that you put forth, and the conclusions

that you draw, are really based on historical experts over the last two centuries? This is

not just your position?

Phelps: Absolutely. I’m standing on the shoulders of giants, as a little cricket. These

people are brilliant and Godly. Nicolini, an Italian Roman Catholic, converted to Christ,

involved in the Italian Revolution of 1848, had to flee for his life, was in exile in England,

and there he wrote his great History Of The Jesuits, warning England that if the Jesuits

sought to destroy England under Elizabeth, they would surely do the same thing under


Martin: And they have.

Phelps: And they have. We have the great Theodor Griesinger, who was the great

German who wrote The Jesuits as a history told by the German people—823 pages of

meticulous documentation of all their doings in all the countries. And he was the one, I

learned, who said the Jesuits could very well be planning a second Thirty‑Years War,

another Thirty‑Years War. And he wrote that, the second edition was in 1873.

[Editor’s note: And remember that the second bloody and diabolical “Thirty‑Years

War” did indeed happen, between 1914 and 1945, as Eric mentioned earlier in this

interview in conjunction with financing it through the setting up of the Federal Reserve

Bank fraud.]

So, these learned people have made quite clear and quite evident the purpose and

power of the Jesuit Order.

We haven’t had anybody in the 20th Century write an extensive history of what

they’ve accomplished from 1900‑2000. I would hope that somebody who knows these

histories, who knows grammar and spelling and is able to write nice prose (unlike myself)

would be able to do this, and write a real modern history of this. Ridpath came close to

it, but he ended his work in the mid‑1850s, with his Ridpath’s Universal History [Of The

World]. We have not had a significant historian do this modern work for us.

Martin: And why is that?

Phelps: Because these Jesuits have all these colleges and universities bought and

paid for! And these universities won’t get grants if they start to expose the Jesuit Order.

Now, with all these “hate crime” laws, anything truthfully said about the Jesuit Order

will generate attempts to contort it into some kind of a hate crime, which is NOT what

we’re doing. We are merely telling the truth.

Martin: What is your solution to the Jesuit problem in America? What would you like to

see, ultimately, happen in this country?

Phelps: In this country, what I would like to see happen is exactly what happened in

England in the 16th Century, when several Jesuits left the Order. They were intelligent,

powerful Jesuits, involved in the conspiracy to overthrow England.

They told the powers‑that‑be about what they were supposed to do, and as a result,

the government of England expelled the Jesuits from their dominions, because they were

regarded as traitors and conspirators in the overthrow of legitimate government—of

self‑rule, of nationalism; a country should be ruled by its own people.

The solution here would be the expulsion of the Jesuit Order, that they would be

outlawed and banned.

There would be period of grace where certain Jesuits could come forward, tell what

they know. But why would the Jesuits want to do that when this government is

controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations, which is controlled by the Jesuits? The

government is controlled by the Jesuits through the mob and high‑level Freemasonry.

Martin: Proposing the expulsion of the Jesuits, the difference between that and racial

persecution, such as with the Jews, yours is based on treason, which is a lawful

conclusion based on your research concerning what their true aims and objectives

are—namely, the overthrow of this government.

Phelps: The usurping of this government, the controlling of this government for their

own purposes. And then using this government, with a coalition of other governments

they control, for the annihilation of the “heretic” and “liberal” population of this country,

pursuant to the Council of Trent, that every Pope swears upon his coronation to uphold.

Martin: Thank you so much for taking this time to clarify these many points about the

Jesuit Order. Our readers will really appreciate this as you offer much food for both

thought AND action!

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