THE TRUTH ABOUT AUSCHWITZ AND THE JEWS
Sun, 29 Jul 2001 20:12:14 ‑0700
"Bob Jones" <[email protected]>
THE TRUTH ABOUT AUSCHWITZ AND THE JEWS
(FROM THE CDL REPORT 1999)
Interview with Darquier de Pellepoix, former
Commissioner for Jewish
Problems of the Vichy government (Published in L'Express, Oct.
28‑Nov. 4, 1978)
"The 6 million Jews who disappeared? An invention
pure and simple!
A Jewish invention!"
A small tradesman from Cahors, with a monocle and a
borrowed nobility handle to his name, is one of the principals
responsible for the deportation of 75,000 Jews
from France. Even today he regrets nothing. For Louis Darquier de
Commissioner General for Jewish Problems between May 1942 and
February 1944, is not a ghost from the past. He lives in a village on
the borders of the Estremadura and Andalusia. At this time when
the process of Kurt Lischka begins at Frankfurt, one of the
Gestapo's patrons in France, Darquier, the thorough organizer of
the lottery at the Vel' d'hiv' in 1942, makes a statement in a
conversation with Philippe Ganier‑Raymond. It must be read and
L'Express: Sir, exactly 36 years ago, you delivered to
the Germans 75,000 men, women and children. You are the French
Louis Darquier de Pellepoix: What numbers are those?
L'Express: Everybody knows them. They are official.
They can be also found in this document. (I show him Serge
Klarsfeld's "Testimony of the deportation of the Jews from France",
open at the right page).
L. Darquier: That's what I thought: a Jewish document.
Here is again the Jewish
propaganda! It goes without saying, you have nothing else to show
me but Jewish documents. And that for a good reason: there are no
L'Express: Oh but there are. Hundreds, thousands of
others, that are not inspired by the Jewish organizations. Having
conceded that, you will understand maybe that the Jews should be
interested in the disappearance of 6 millions of them.
L. Darquier: That figure is an invention pure and simple.
A Jewish invention, certainly. That is how the Jews are: they will
do anything for publicity.
L'Express: You really think what you just said? Could
you repeat that?
L. Darquier: Ah, I see! You too are brainwashed. But you
are all blinded ... You
cannot understand that the Jews have only one idea in their head:
to wreak havoc everywhere. And to what end? You know it very
well: to make Jerusalem the world's capital. It is enough to open
the newspapers today to realize that. You came here to accuse me,
L'Express: No, I am not a prosecutor. I am not a Nazi
hunter either. I came to see you to try to understand what went on
in a head such as yours 36 years ago. One item, that's all.
L. Darquier: You are an agent from Tel‑Aviv.
L'Express: An agent from Tel‑Aviv, if he were
interested in you. would not waste his time asking you questions.
L. Darquier: At any rate, you are wasting your time. I
have nothing to tell you.
L'Express: Again you are mistaken. You already told me
something essential: you are almost a unique case. You are not
saying: "I had my orders. I was following them". Your position
appears not to have changed at all since 1942.
L. Darquier: So you think that the Jewish question dates
since 1942! However, the Jewish question has been a problem for
thousands of years ... As early as the Middle
Ages the west, Christianity, was struggling against the tentacular
progression of the
Jews. We did not invent the yellow star. If in the 12 century the
need was felt to make the Jews wear the mark, there was a reason
for that. As for our recent history, it is entirely determined by the
search for a solution to the Jewish question.
Let me ask you a question: have you ever considered
what was the reason why it was necessary to wait for so long to
implement the Balfour Declaration? Have you
counted the wars, counted the dead needed to reach the point we
are at today: the settlement of Jews on a disputed territory? As for
me, when the Marshal (Petain) placed me in charge of the
Commission for Jewish Problems, I set myself one goal. A
humanitarian goal, mind you: to make the situation of French Jews
as comfortable as possible.
L'Express: You cannot be serious. Who do you think
will believe that?
L. Darquier: I am forgetting that you are an unfortunate
victim of Jewish
propaganda. And Jewish propaganda has always been based on a
lie. Always ... Always ... That's what I was saying: during the
months while I was commissioner, I spent the better part of my
time trying to alleviate the troubles of the Jews. It is understood
that we are speaking of French Jews. I am giving you an example.
Between you and me, do you think that it was necessary to deport
the Debre family?
L'Express: No. Absolutely not. Neither the Debres nor
any others ...
L. Darquier: Father Debres is a half‑Jew, we understand
that. But after all, those people have done service. They are Jews
who opted for France. It would have
been extremely unjust to deport them. I have quoted that case to
you, but there are many others. In general, I wanted to group the
French Jews separately.
L'Express: That is so true, that in February 1943 you
suggested to the Vichy
government a certain number of actions that even the Germans
had not thought of.
"Statement of Louis Darquier de Pellepoix to the
'Petit Parisien' of February 1, 1943.
I am suggesting to the government:
1. To implement the mandatory wearing of the
yellow star in the unoccupied zone.
2. To prevent Jews without exception from access
to and performance of public office. No matter what the intellectual
value and the services brought by a Jewish
individual may be, the fact remains that he is Jewish and by that he
introduces in the position he occupies not only a natural resistance
to the operations of arianization but also a spirit which in the long
run profoundly modifies the value of the entire French
3. The annulment of the French nationality of all
Jews who acquired it after 1927..
L. Darquier: That story about the yellow star in the free
zone, I do not remember
it. It must be again your Jewish propaganda.
L'Express: Absolutely not so. It is here, black and white,
in Le Petit Parisien of
February 1, 1943.
L. Darquier: Perhaps... Perhaps... At any rate, it would
have been a mistake.
Because, you know, contrary to what has been repeated quite
often, the yellow star was not popular.
L'Express: And the denaturalization of the Jews, was
that a mistake?
L. Darquier: Oh, no, not that. I said that...
L'Express: The commissioner who preceded you,
Xavier Vallat, who as a matter of fact was considered too soft by
the German authorities, had set 1932 as the limit
for the naturalization year before which nobody ‑ as a matter of
principle ‑ was subject to racial laws. You moved it back to 1927.
L. Darquier: But of course! It should have been further
L'Express: More Jews deported, is it?
L. Darquier: Evidently. It was necessary to get rid at any
rate of those foreigners, of those alien residents, of those
thousands of people with no homeland who were at the root of all
our woes. They wanted the war. They brought it about. It was
necessary for them to leave. As soon as possible, as far as
possible. That was the
second goal I had set myself when I took office to send all those
people to do in their own home what they were trying to do in ours!
L'Express: How is that, in their own home? In 1942, the
Jewish people had no
L. Darquier: I mean to say there, I don't know where, in
Poland. The intent was to give them a territory there somewhere.
Thus, they would have ceased being without a homeland! That's
what I wanted: to put an end to the wandering Jew, so that finally,
after 2000 years, those people should no longer be aliens wherever
they may be living.
L'Express: That is amazing. In a little while you will tell
me that Auschwitz was
straight arrow from the Balfour Declaration!
L. Darquier: Auschwitz... Auschwitz... You know, there
have been many stories about Auschwitz! One should begin by
finding out what really took place at Auschwitz.
L'Express: A million dead. Among them, countless
children. All gassed.
L. Darquier: No, no, no... That, you will never make me
believe that. It is again
that devilish Jewish propaganda that spread and maintained that
legend. I am telling you again that the Jews are always ready for
anything to get talked about, to appear interesting, to become
objects of compassion. As for myself I will tell you what really took
place at Auschwitz. There was gassing. Yes, true. But the lice were
L'Express: What do you mean?
L. Darquier: I mean that when the Jews arrived in the
camp, they were made to
undress, as is natural, before they were lead to the showers. In the
meantime their clothes were disinfected. After the war, the Jews
circulated everywhere photographs showing underwear piled up or
hanging on lines. And they groaned..."Look", said they, "that is the
underwear of our brothers who were
exterminated!" That is certainly false. But what can you expect,
that's how Jews are. They must always lie.
L'Express: That is what I was saying: you are unique.
Not even Eichmann denied the existence of the final solution. You
do. But you knew it nevertheless.
"Service notification of the Central Office of
Security of the Reich IV B 4 of June 11, 1942. A meeting took place
with the participation, apart from the undersigned SS Chief of
Division Dannecker, of those responsible for the Jewish sections in
Brussels and the Hague.
Goal. Military reasons prevent this summer the
relocation of German Jews to the eastern operation zone. The
commander SS for the Reich has ordered that a greater number of
Jews from South‑East Europe and from the occupied West be
transferred to the Auschwitz concentration camp. the essential
condition is that the Jews
of both genders be between 16 and 40 years of age. 10% of Jews
incapable of work could be part of that transport.
Decision. It has been decided that 15,000 Jews will be
deported from the
Netherlands, 10,000 from Belgium and 100,000 from France,
including the unoccupied zone".
L'Express: Do you not find that that simple text, which
of necessity alighted on your desk, implies in a barely veiled
manner the final solution?
L. Darquier: No. I am telling you again that the final
solution is an invention pure and simple. Do you know anyone who
saw, with his own eyes, a gas chamber?
L'Express: Thousands of Auschwitz survivors. Without
taking into account the inquiry commissions of the Allies after the
war, and all visitors to the Auschwitz
museum. Me, among others.
L. Darquier: Your gas chamber was manufactured after
the fact. You will not make me change my mind.
L'Express: That may very well be, in fact. You will not
change your mind. Now,
these photographs, have you seen them? (I try to show him the
photographs of bodies of women and children pulled out of the gas
chamber. He turns away).
L. Darquier: I do not even want to see them. They are
doctored photographs. You know, I am very well informed. I know
that after the war the Jews fabricated
thousands of forgeries and, as I was just telling you.
L'Express: Well. Now can you tell me what happened to
those people? (I turn
before him the pages of Klarsfeld's book, which is a sort of
deportation listing). What happened to the thousand deportees of
the 33rd transport ‑ I pick that as an example among others ‑ that
left the railway station of Drancy on September 11, 1942? What
happened to Daniel Belchatowski, aged 10, Solange Grinsztein,
aged 2, Raymonde Hubermarm, aged 7?
L. Darquier: How should I know? It was not my job to
know what happened to the Jews afterwards. My job was a purely
administrative one. I was a high French
official. I always took care that the problems of Jews in France
should be solved by
Frenchmen. And believe me, it was not easy. It was always
necessary to steer a course between Pierre Laval and that raving
madman Dannecker. Between the two of them, it was almost
impossible to do a good job. If I were to do it again, I am telling you
directly, I would refuse.
L'Express: Your answer raises several questions. Here
is the first one: what exactly do you mean, to do a good job?
L. Darquier: Separate the grain from the chaff. Protect
the French Jews, I told you already. As a matter of fact, I am going
to surprise you. Do you know that I had many Jewish friends?
Afterwards, in the course of events, they thought it well to cut me.
That's life. I am not angry with them. The more so as some of them
helped me, I will tell you about that later. To return to your
question, doing a good job, that consisted of preventing the
Germans from taking the Jewish problem in hand. Had they done
so, it would have been a catastrophe.
"A good choice was made by the Marechal and
President Laval when they entrusted Mr. Darquier de Pellepoix with
the Commission for Jewish Problems... Some assert sometimes
that in this country the anti‑Jewish struggle is but a pale copy of
How naive they are! Do they not know that the
pure Frenchmen of France, and Darquier is one of them, have
nothing to learn from anybody in that matter. "
Andrg Chaumet, vice‑president of the Association of
L'Express: Second question. Pierre Laval. What were your relations
L. Darquier: Quite cordial.
L'Express: Still he had you arrested on February 26,
1944, for "irregularities in the management of confiscated goods".
L. Darquier: But look here! Where did you fish for that?
Laval never had me
arrested. We disputed sometimes, true, but Laval was a good man,
he did a good job himself. There were many stories about Laval.
Some went so far as to claim that he was a Portuguese Jew. What a
lie! But it is true that he was ugly. Good God, how ugly he was, that
man! But he was not at all Jewish. He had an ugly mug from the
Auvergne, that's the truth. As a matter of fact, I frequently called
him "ugly mug from the Auvergne", and he was not offended. The
same with Petain. The story was told all over that Petain was
against my action, that he hated me. But for one, it was he who
nominated me as a commissioner, and for another, he never
disapproved of me. Every time I went to see him, when he saw me
from afar, he exclaimed: "Look, here comes my torturer!" But it
was for laughs. In fact he was laughing. And that did not prevent
him from shaking my hand. As for Laval, he was a good man, very
hardworking, very competent. Unfortunately, one must mention
that, he understood nothing of the Jewish question.
L'Express: We will go into details soon. Dannecker ...
L. Darquier: He was a mental case. I had troubles
without end with him.
L'Express: What kind of troubles?
L. Darquier: Well, that was stronger than himself: every
time he saw a German Jew on a list, he did all he could to save him
from deportation! The cosmopolitan
Jews without a homeland never had a better ally than he was.
July 6 1942. Wire from Dannecker to Berlin,
summarizing his July I conversation with Eichmann on the subject
of future lotteries.
"At the moment only the alien Jews without a
homeland should be gathered. In a second stage will be gathered
the Jews naturalized in France between 1919 and 1927".
L'Express: It seems to me on the contrary that you
agreed very well with
Dannecker. All documents go to prove it.
L. Darquier: Absolutely not so. The Germans never
stopped throwing a monkey wrench in my affairs.
L'Express: Well! Then what is the meaning of this note
of May 29 1943, written by Roethke, Dannecker's successor, to
Knochen: "Darquier has repeatedly asked us to support his
projects of laws, since he has lost for quite a long time all hope that
the French government will accept a single one of his projects?"
L. Darquier: That is another forgery! A forgery done
after the fact by the Jews! Ah, those Jews, they are priceless! They
are ready for anything to create a scapegoat.
They made of me a character in a novel. They absolutely wanted to
accuse me of everything. Me, who helped them so much! But they
never had me. In fact, it was very hard to get me, since I died
L'Express: How is that?
L. Darquier: I will tell you... In 1944, when it all started
cracking, I started thinking of my own health. A comrade took me to
Toulouse, another took me to Bordeaux, and a third one made me
pass into Spain. And then came the Liberation. A fine day, they
alighted on someone who resembled me to an astonishing degree.
It was a completely hysterical time, you know. They arrested no
matter whom, they shot
people at random. Then, they took that poor chap and the mob was
shouting: "It is
Darquier! It is Darquier! Shoot him!" Just between you and me, I
always thought that there were some of my friends in that crowd.
To go on...In short! They shot that poor unfortunate man in my
stead. And then a few years passed. They discovered that I was
safe and sound, living. Then they condemned me to death. In
contumacy. On December 10, 1947. They could do no other (he
laughs a little). But afterwards, let me tell you that they gave me a
L'Express: They never asked that you be extradited?
L. Darquier: Never. What do you imagine? After all, I
may as well tell you: until
recently, I have always had the best relations with the French
embassy in Madrid. We saw one another frequently. Sometimes I
went to their receptions.
On August 27, 1978, the spokesman of the Minister
of Justice declares: "Louis Darquier de Pellepoix has been
sentenced to death in contumacy, on December 10, 1947, for
treating with the enemy. His sentence has been prescribed since
1968. He is only forbidden to reside in France all his life".
L'Express: If I understand correctly, the author of the
great lottery of July 1942 is not guilty of a crime against humanity...
L. Darquier: In the first place, the great lottery, as you
call it, I had nothing to do
with it. It had been decided well before. I had been a commissioner
for a few weeks. I knew nothing.
L'Express: What is terrible with you is that as you never
stop telling frightening stories, whoever wants to ask you for mere
information finds himself obliged to
become an accuser. You had not been a commissioner for a few
weeks. You had been heading the anti‑Jewish oppression since the
month of May. Over two months! And you had already made
decisions that surprised even the Germans.
L. Darquier: It is funny that you come to talk to me about
the great lottery. That great lottery: Bousquet was the one who
organized it. From top to bottom. Bousquet was the chief of police.
He did it all. Now, you know what was his end, the end of
Bousquet? He got five years of national indignity. They say he
helped the "resistance!" What a farce! And he ended up being a
director of the Bank of Indochina. Ah, he knew how to shift for
himself, Bousquet! Still it was he who organized everything.
L'Express: I am sorry to sound like a cop, but how did
you spend the days of July 16, and 17, in 1942?
L. Darquier: What was there so extraordinary on July 16
and 17, 1942?
L'Express: The great lottery. Thousands of men, women
and children crowded at the V61odrome d'hiver before they were
shipped to Auschwitz.
L. Darquier: You will easily understand that I cannot
remember precisely what I was doing on that day.
But in all probability I went to my office, to deal with
current matters. Always,
always, those administrative tasks.
L'Express: You did not go to the Vel'd'hiv' to see what
was going on?
L. Darquier: Certainly not! Why would I have gone? I am
telling you again that
Bousquet was the one who organized everything.
Minutes of the meeting on Avenue Foch of July 4, 1942.
Commander Dr. Knochen, Chief Commander SS Dannecker, High
Commander SS Schmidt. On the French part: Bousquet, State
Secretary for the Police, Darquier de Pellepoix, French
Commissioner for Jewish Problems. 11...A commission shall be set
up by the French in which there should be besides a representative
from the Jewish Problems, a representative from the State
Secretary for the Police... Bousquet immediately declared that the
direction of the commission must be in
the hands of the Commission for Jewish Problems... It must be
noted here that
Darquier de Pellepoix almost gave the impression that he was
accepting such a responsibility ."
L. Darquier: Well, yes! Somebody had to do that job. If I
had not been the one, it
would have been somebody else. A German, maybe.
L'Express: You were the Germans' man. They put you
L. Darquier: Another fable. The Marshal nominated me
for the commission.
Knowing well the facts. Knowing full well that I alone ‑ with a few
others ‑ was capable of completing the anti‑Jewish struggle within
the limits of French law.
L'Express: A fact which did not prevent you at all from
going to complain to the Germans when the government of Vichy,
alarmed, refused to implement your proposals.
L. Darquier: False! False! Extremely false! You have no
right to say that! You have a right to be intoxicated by Jewish
propaganda, but not to that extent ...
L'Express: You very much wrote the following: I do not
believe from the bottom of my heart and conscience that the
French state is capable of proceeding with
that national renewing. What is needed and my French heart
obliges me to ask this of you, Germans ‑ is that you should take
upon yourself the governance of France by allowing us to act for
ourselves." One can search through the archives of all of occupied
Europe, there will not be found a single other example of such
servility to the Nazis. You were asking for a Gauleiter!
L. Darquier: Quite on the contrary, I was prevaricating.
By putting on a show of
following them, of coming to meet their desires, I was keeping in
my own hands (in
French hands) the reins of the anti‑Jewish struggle. Laval did not
understand that strategy at all. In that respect he made nothing but
L'Express: Let us come back to that great lottery.
L. Darquier: If you wish. But I really have nothing else to
L'Express: But you have. The children. I have a
document here. A service note from the Gestapo. It is annotated by
L. Darquier: That madman!
L'Epress: This note is the German translation of your
report after the lottery of the Vel'd'hiv'. You were complaining that
only 8,980 persons were arrested. And Dannecker writes on the
margin: "That goes to show Darquier's activity ". And further on he
adds: "Over 4,000 children ". Sir, what happened to all those
L. Darquier: It was not me I am not responsible for that.
It was Laval. I am breaking myself in pieces repeating to you that
he understood nothing of the Jewish
question. Do you know what Laval did? When he was told of a
massive deportation, he said: "In the first place, do not separate
the children from their mothers." It was he who demanded that the
children should be deported with their parents. An ass's decision. I
wanted that the children should be taken in by public assistance.
L'Express: Perfectly true.
Urgent wire from Dannecker to Berlin (unknown
addressee) summarizing Laval's position on July 6, 1942.
"Conferences with the French government yielded up
to this day the following results:
"President Laval proposed that when deporting the
Jewish families from the
occupied zone children less then 16 should be included. The
problems of Jewish children who remain in the occupied zone does
not interest him. I am asking you to make an urgent decision, and
telegraph it, to let us know if when the 15th transport of Jews
leaves, children below 16 should also be deported"
L. Darquier: You see, it was not me.
L'Express: I take note of the fact that you do not dispute
that document. How
about this one?
First meeting of the Committee organizing the lottery.
Present were: Dannecker, Heinrischsohn, Darquier de Pellepoix,
etc. on July 8, 1942.
"Opening the meeting Darquier de Pellepoix notes that
the occupying authorities
stated their readiness to unburden the French state of the Jews and
proposes to meet to discuss the technical implementation of the
deportation... There were to be arrested in Paris about 28,000
Jews... The anti‑Jewish police inspectors and the women's
auxiliaries sort their cards and group them by district... The Jews
will then be gathered at the various town halls and transported to
the place of gathering (the Vel' dhiv). "
L. Darquier: Well. On paper I am responsible of what
happened. But in reality it
was Bousquet whose shoulder was at the wheel. He and his dirty
police! And, I did
not want an anti‑Jewish police! I wanted a French police, who
should have shouldered their responsibilities, do you see? But
there was nothing I could do!
L'Express: You claim that you had nothing to do with
the great lottery?
L. Darquier: Absolutely. I was just an official. I was so
far removed from the reality of things. And I was so busy saving
the good Jews, the French Jews...
July 23, 1942. Letter of Darquier de Pellepoix to Laval.
... The General Commission for Jewish Problems has
been requested to place at the disposal of German authorities
32,000 Jewish men and women (22,000 from the occupied zone and
10,000 from the unoccupied zone)... More actions were taken on
July 16 and 17 and would yield the following figures: 3,095 men and
11... My meeting of today with the occupying authorities
made it possible for me
to note that they were very dissatisfied. The number of trains
provided for that purpose by the German authorities is adequate for
the transportation of 32,000 Jews.
P? ‑ Allow me to suggest the following supplementary
1. Arresting all cosmopolitan Jews without a homeland.,
2. Arresting all Belgian and Dutch Jews and all alien Jews who do
not have a recent passport... 3. If, after
taking those steps, the envisaged figure is not yet reached, it would
be expedient to contemplate filling it by resorting to the Jews and
Jewesses whose French naturalization is dated after January 1,
L'Express: That year 1927 was an obsession with you.
That year is found in almost all of your statements. Why is that?
L. Darquier: Because it was between 1927 and 1936 that
we had here in our home the great invasion of people without a
homeland, who came from everywhere and
from nowhere. People who wanted to ruin us. People who wanted
us to fight their war in their stead. And who, above all, did not want
us to prepare for war. People who wanted us defeated, who wanted
us ruined. You are too young: you do not know how it was before
L'Express: I know one thing, at any rate: in 1935, one
year before the popular front, a man like you was elected to the
municipal council in the XVIIth district. And on what unique
L. Darquier: That is false. I was elected on a nationalist
program! It is altogether different. And then in the first place, the
word anti‑Semite is an improper word...
L'Express: God knows if you used it though!
L. Darquier: It may be! But it would have been an error.
After all, the Arabs, they too, are Semites. Do not mix it up... But I
would like you to know, dear sir, in 1935,
after the Stavisky affair and all the rest, being a nationalist implied
being against the Jews. Because of the corruption, and of that
Jewish garnering of all means of communication. At that time there
was but one press that was not under the Jewish enterprise: the
right wing press! And, I repeat, they wanted the war, the Jews. I had
fought in 1914, I had done what is called "very admirable service". I
intention to repeat that. And what is more, fight to be defeated! As a
matter of fact, it was a Jew ‑ you will like that ‑ Georges Mandel
himself wrote in the thirties: "It is the democracies that declare the
wars ". If a Jew...
L'Express: Whom your friends of the Militia
L. Darquier: That is more complicated than that. If a Jew
now should come to own that sort of thing, it must well be true. You
do not believe it? Now, the Jews
wanted the war. I did not want it. Or if one wanted it then one
should prepare seriously for it. But it was the Jews precisely who,
pretending to be pacifists, refused to do it. That is why I was
L'Express: When did it happen? Where?
L. Darquier: I must tell you that I am from Cahors. At
Cahors, we did not love the Jews. That is how it is. An old tradition.
It must go back to the Middle Ages. But I am repeating to you that I
was not elected on an anti‑Jewish platform. There was a national
tendency. That tendency elected me doubtlessly because of my
February 6, 1934. Here, look here. (He pulls up the leg of his pant
and shows me a hole in his right calf). That one, I did not get it in
the trenches. I got it on February 6. The people of Paris knew that I
was fighting for my ideas. Physically. That must have impressed
June 1936. Meeting of the Municipal Council of Paris.
Mr. Darquier de Pellepoix, speaking of Mr. Georges
Hirsch: "If I discriminated among Jews, I am doing it again saying
that you are a dirty little Jew... The most racist people on earth are
the Jews. ... As long as you will not be rid of those
people, the national existence of the country will be threatened... "
L'Express: You must own that you were the Nazis
dream. Since 1936 you were
asking all over Paris for actions ‑denaturalizing, among others ‑ that
not even they dared impose in 1942.
L. Darquier: Again, you have no idea what was the
atmosphere in this country in the thirties. The Jews were all over.
They had all levels of command. When I struck
Leon Blum in the face, and I do not regret it...was a natural thing, a
thing that many
other Frenchmen dreamt of doing. At the time, one could not love
one's country, desire peace, without finding oneself pitted against
the Jews. It was impossible! But I must say nevertheless, that the
French are finicky people. They have a skin sensitivity to
demographic variations. When there are too many Jews, when they
feel surrounded, pressured by the Jews, they start shouting: "Out
with the Jews!" Eventually they get out in the streets. But as soon
as you kill 50 Jews, they start crying out loud. I would say about the
French in general that they are moderately
L'Express: The fact is that those moderately anti‑Jewish
people elected you
decidedly. In 1935. They elected one, yourself, who declared at a
meeting on March 11, 1937 at the Wagram Railway station: "The
Jewish question must be solved most urgently. Let the Jews be
exiled or massacred." Even at Nuremberg at that time it seems to
me that the language was more convoluted...
L. Darquier: It was a figure of speech. I, you know,
never wanted anyone dead.
L'Express: Not even the Jews you sent to Auschwitz?
L. Darquier: I wanted to see them gone, I was not
interested in the rest. It was
none of my business.
L'Express: I find that you had a very unique
punctiliousness in your persecution. Thus, on September 9, 1942,
you wrote the following internal note:
7he General Commissioner has noted that in the
correspondence of certain
bureaus the Jews were described as 'Israelites'. 77ze use of that
description is due
to Jewish influence which by forbidding the word 'Jew' managed to
realize in words the main means of defense of Jewry which
pretends that the Jewish question is nothing but a religious
question. At the General Commission for Jewish Problems a Jew
must be called a Jew, and the usage must not be 'Mr. Levy' or 'Mr.
Dreyfus' but 'the Jew Levy' and 'the Jew Dreyfus'...
Signed Darquier de Pellepoix
Distributed to all Vichy bureaus.
L. Darquier: So what? What is your objection? Are the
Jews not a race? Is it not true that they hide behind their pretended
religion to perpetrate their mischief all over the earth? Really, I do
not see what you find to cavil at in that memo. It is perfectly
harmless. There is no trace of persecution, as you say.
L'Express: Whoever spoke of race in 1942 in France to
describe persons or to
describe a people is an accessory to genocide. Is that not so?
L. Darquier: But, finally, there was no genocide, for
heaven's sake! You must put
that idea out of your head.
L'Express: Do you know that the process of Kurt
Lischka will begin shortly in
Germany. I have it from a reliable source that the Frankfurt tribunal
would be happy to have your testimony.
L. Darquier: You said Lischka? Who is that man?
L'Express: Generally speaking, the chief of the Gestapo
in Paris between 1940 and 1943.
L. Darquier: I see, a petty German official. I must have
met him two or three times. But there is decidedly something that
you do not manage to understand: I met very few Germans.
L'Express: That is exactly what is frightening. Your
decisions were not directly
dictated from Berlin. Do you know what Knochen stated to the
prosecutor on January 4, 1947 right before his trial?
L. Darquier: Knochen was not a madman like
Dannecker. I absolutely want to make a note of that.
L'Express: Knochen said: "After the arrival of Darquier
de Pellepoix, the General Commission for Jewish Problems
became excessively zealous, coming to meet
halfway all our desires and occasionally overstepping. "
L. Darquier: But certainly... Put yourself in the place of
that man. He is on trial, he will say anything to save his skin. It is
natural. It is human...
L'Express: And then, there is the famous meeting in
Paris with Heydrich, Bousquet and you, in May 1942, on the very
day of your nomination. What did you have to tell each other, you
L. Darquier: In the first place, I did not want to meet with
that man. But Knochen
insisted, and I ended by accepting, saying to myself that after all it
was better to find out what was in Heydrich's mind. So I went. We
shook hands. We exchanged a few words. We saw each other for
five minutes, all in all.
L'Express: You did not talk on that day about steps to
take in the weeks and months to come?
L. Darquier: No. I do not know what he may have said to
Bousquet and what
Bousquet said to him, but as far as my own conversation with
Heydrich is concerned, I assure you that it was perfectly
L'Express: I summarize: Bousquet and you received a
free hand from the Germans to carry out the anti‑Jewish
repression, the arrests, the lotteries. They must have trusted you!
And, in the end, those very Germans helped you pass into Spain...
L. Darquier: That is not true. It was French people who
saved me. But since you are coming to that epoch, I am going to
surprise you. Do you know who it was that
led me from Bordeaux to Spain over the mountains? A woman, a
half‑Jewish woman, who as a matter of fact was using her father's
Jewish name. I saw her again, later, at Barcelona, we were very
close until her death. That amazes you, does it? And just now I was
telling you that I was left in royal peace. Do you know owing to
whom? To Jews, to a great extent. To good French Jews, whom I
had helped in difficult times. Among others, a certain Worms. I am
not going to tell you any more...
L'Express: Thus, contrary to what is being said quite
frequently, far from getting
rich from Jewish property, you allowed certain great families to
keep their riches? You had the tanners and furriers from the XIth
district sent to Auschwitz, and you protected the great capitalists of
the XVIth district? In fact, that is not illogical...
L. Darquier: I refuse to answer that kind of questions. I
am reminding you that my sentence has been prescribed.
L'Express: Thus, you came to Spain...
L. Darquier: Yes. And in the beginning my wife and I
were as poor as Job. I read, I don't know where, that I had a
suspenders business. That is untrue. I sold
suspenders, true, but as a street vendor, in the gardens of the
Retiro in Madrid. But
fortunately the tribulation did not last long. That is because I
maintained good friends in Spain; from the times of the civil war.
Military people. They helped me. They put me back on my feet.
They protected me.
L'Express: What military people?
L. Darquier: You will not find that out. I hate informing,
my dear sir. I will tell you that I became the official translator of the
Oficenia diplornatica. I translated the official speeches of Franco's
ministers. I also translated "The Red Book of the Gibraltar". Later, I
could set up my little language school.
L'Express: And for a very long time you were there,
under your own name, in the Madrid telephone book, that is true...
However you were luckier than Laval. The
Spaniards extradited him.
L. Darquier: Not at all. If he had stayed in Madrid,
quietly, like me, nothing would have happened to him. But one fine
day his wife said to him: "Let us return. You
did nothing. They will not dare touch you ". And he returned, to
please his wife. You know the rest. They shot him, the poor old
man... The poor ugly mug from the Auvergne...
L'Express: In 34 years, nobody came to see you,
nobody tried to kidnap you,
nobody threatened you?
L. Darquier: Nobody ever... Oh yes... Three years ago,
somebody, a French voice, rang me up to call me names. He said:
"Scumbag! We will take your hide ". I was
frightened. Not so much for myself. For my family. I called
immediately my military friends to ask for special protection from
them. They gave it to me immediately. After that, nothing!
L'Express: Do you feel regret sometimes? Remorse?
L. Darquier: Regrets for what? I do not understand your
1) That was a purely formal law; after March 1941,
French police were arresting Jews who were French since 1897, to
deliver them to the Germans!
2)Darquier's protector was General Barroso
New Christian Crusade Church
P.O. Box 449
Arabi, LA 70032
OPEN LETTER TO A MISGUIDED BELIEVER IN THE
by James K. Warner
(From the Christian Vanguard)
(Following up on our article by Louis Darquier
dePellipoux in the June issue of the CDL Report, I thought that our
subscribers might appreciate reading a letter I wrote to Dr. Charles
E. Goshen questioning his personal opinions on Jews in
Conentration camp as well as others.
Like many others who comment on Jews being
"gassed" Dr. Goshen never stopped to think about the
contradictions he made in his letter to the Tennessean in 1978.
May 5, 1980
Dr. Charles E. Goshan
Dept. of Engineering
Dear Dr. Goshan:
This is the first opportunity that I have had to comment
on your article on Mauthausen Concentration Camp which was
published in the Tennessean of April 23, 1978.
In your article you state, "In the main camp we
discovered that there were no
Jews. Shortly, we would find Jewish women incarcerated in
another camp nearby."
In the book The Trustees for the Atonement in the
Concentration Camp at
Dachau, Catholic Bishop, Dr. Johann Neuhausler also reported the
absence of Jews
at Dachau concentration camp. He attributes the absence to, "...
Transports of German Jews began to arrive at the camp. After a
short term, of imprisonment, most of them received permission to
go overseas...." Bishop Neuhausler was in Dachau from July 12,
1941 until April 24, 1945. In the book Fighting Auschwitz, the author,
Josef Garlinski, said in January 1944 only 5% of those in Auschwitz
were Jews. From other reports it seems that very few Jews, were
in fact interned in the concentration camps.
In your article you continue, "There may have been
more than 100,000 of them (Jews); perhaps many more. They had
been exterminated. They died in the gas
chambers, or were shot. Some, it was thought by the survivors, had
been sent away."
The Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol.5, page 96, has a map of
Europe in it showing the "Concentration Camps and the
extermination camps." This Israeli government published
encyclopedia clearly distinguishes between what they call
"concentration" (work) camps and alleged "extermination"
(gassing) camps. Dachau and Mauthausen are shown on this map
as Concentration (work) camps. The Jews themselves admit that
no one was "gassed" at Mauthausen. Bishop Neuhausler makes it
clear in his book that no one was "gassed" at Dachau.
You mention that the camp hospital had about 6,000
patients in it. Didn't you think it somewhat strange that the Nazis
would go through the trouble of putting these
individuals in the hospital for treatment if they intended to "gas"
them? Don't you think the logical thing to do with people you intend
to "kill"‑‑if indeed that was the intent, would be to immediateIy
"gas" or shoot them rather than send them to the hospital to be
Also, you mention that the third army had obstacles in
providing you with supplies. You state that thousands were dying
because you could not get adequate supplies or food. Then how in
heavens name could you expect the German army to supply the
camps when the allied air force held absolute air superiority in the
last months of the war and bombed and strafed almost all the
trucks and trains they could find? You had difficulty in supplying
your forces at the camp after the war ended. Herman Mueller, who
was in charge of the food stores at Belsen was quoted in the Broom
(Nov. 12, 1945) as saying, "Mueller is expected to tell of the
difficulties in getting food for the over crowded Belsen, to
corroborate Commandant Joseph Kramer's testimony that his
efforts to supplement the camp's food supplies failed. Kramer said
the bombing raids broke down transport systems.
You also state, "A new problem we had not previously
addressed was that of births and care of babies among the women
prisoners. A very considerable number of
women were pregnant. Some babies had already been born." Don't
you think it strange that the "terrible Nazis" would allow women
they planned to "gas" to have babies in the camps? Also, if
conditions were so terrible in the camps how could the women get
pregnant? In Fighting Auschwitz the author flatly states that there
was plenty of opportunity for "romance" at the concentration
camps. If the Nazis had planned to "gas" the prisoners it would
certainly not be in their best interests to let these children be born
in the camps. Jewish doctors in New York City perform over
200,000 abortions every year and they are certainly not charged
with "crimes against humanity". The Nazis not only allowed the
pregnant women in the camps to develop but delivered the babies.
Don't you think if the aim was to "exterminate"
those in the camps that as soon as the women were found to be
pregnant forced abortions would have been the order of the day?
You also state that over 400 prisoners died from
disease the day your unit arrived at the camp. If your unit with all
the medical supplies and food you had available
couldn't save them‑‑then how could you expect the Germans to
save them with almost no medical supplies? You also mention that
typhus was rampant at the camp. This was the same condition that
existed at all the camps. You up and burned.
A great many historians seem to confuse crematoriums
and "gas chambers". No one will contest the fact that a lot of
people died in the camps from disease and were cremated.
However, this does not mean they were "gassed". I suggest you
work by Dr. Arthur Butz, Hoax of the 20th Century .
By writing articles which contain half truths,
misinformation, speculation, guesswork and unintentional lies
regarding the "gassing" of the Jews you play into the hands of the
Zionist propagandists. The State of Israel and Jewish control of
American politics exists today because of the Holocaust Hoax.
Christians all over the world have been burdened with a false guilt
complex by the
Jews and those who promote the falsehood about the Jews being,
"gassed" in WW II.
I believe you were sincere in writing your article and based it on
what you thought were accurate facts.
As a sincere person I hope you will take steps to correct
the errors you made in your article.
New Christian Crusade Church
P.O. Box 449
Arabi, LA 70032