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            The Most Powerful Man In The World?

                              The "Black" Pope

    Count Hans Kolvenbach—The Jesuit’s General

[My comments, this man is a jew, and so have all the Jesuit Generals from the very beginning. Although it will be dened by most Catholics and many other people, Christians and non-Christians. But never the less a study of history will so that to be the truth. The Catholic Church unknown to most of its adherents has been under the absolute control of the jews for hundreds of years. And it matters not whether people get angry with me for this statement the facts are there if they are willing to search it out; but I will not do it for them because it would be akin to casting pearls before swine, they will even after being presented with all of the information, simply deny it, so it is not worth all that work for nothing]


So, you thought you were pretty well informed by now about all of the main players on the "conspiracy" playing field? You’ve maybe been hearing for years about (or bumped into on your own) the various elements of society who control our world from behind the scenes.

You’ve gotten familiar with the role played by, for instance, the Khazarian Zionists (who invented the word "Jew" to disguise their adopted heritage, as distinguished from the biblical Judeans), or the role played by the Banksters (banking gangsters) controlling the economies of the world, by the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Committee of 300 (the 17 wealthiest so‑called "elite" families)—the Rothschild's in England and Rockefellers in America and Bronfman's in Canada, and on and on, comprising the physical power structure of the New World Order puppets under the direction of darkly motivated, other‑dimensional "master deceivers" commonly known as Lucifer or Satan and their "fallen angel" cohorts.

While all of those details contribute to understanding the Larger Picture, what you are about to read fills in a most important Missing Link in this entire structure. And I don’t mean a little side issue; I mean a link so central—yet so well hidden from general public view, and for so long—that even the most studied of "conspiracy theory" scholars probably have not put together much of the information that is going to be presented here.

To call the following outlay "controversial" and "sensitive" is about as mild an understatement of the truth of the matter as can be made! This missing link changes the entire slant of the entire playing field!

After months of anticipation and weeks of preparation, I was finally able to speak with Vatican Assassins author Eric Jon Phelps on Tuesday, March 14. There was simply no other way to cover Eric’s historic masterpiece spanning, literally, five centuries, than to just ask questions covering huge spans of time and major historical events. It took us almost four hours to accomplish the task, yet we could easily have gone on for another forty.

We here at The SPECTRUM are simply unwilling to reduce the importance of this work by presenting it in a too distilled fashion. In fact, in order to share this material with at least some of the pertinent backup, Eric has granted us permission to print (directly after the interview) several excerpts from his soon‑to‑be‑published book which will help you in understanding certain aspects of this magnificently important and broad‑sweeping story. The missing link is surely a central link.

Let’s call this story the "Jesuit‑Vatican connection" to the unfolding New World Order agenda. You make up your own mind just how absolutely central, yet well hidden, has been this link! There’s a good reason the secret Vatican library is so extensive and yet remains so intact from outside intrusion, despite the many others who would like to possess such a collection of information detailing much "censored" data about our true, otherworldly cultural heritage.

When one reads a work like Vatican Assassins, one can’t help but reflect back on the purposely "adjusted" and watered down and boring moments in high school history class. Meanwhile, the true history of what has gone on is dynamic and full of calculated intrigue.

In this business, I’ve heard and read a lot of things. But when I had to pick my jaw up off the floor during the reading of certain historical portions in Eric’s book—well, let me just say that Truth certainly is stranger, and far more interesting, than the many fictions we’ve been led to believe are historical fact. And yet The Truth does fit together like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.

This book SHOULD be a best‑seller, but it is hardly likely to achieve such general attention—considering how well controlled and censored is the publishing business. Thus is the reason for our lengthy presentation of this most astonishing and critically important material here in The SPECTRUM.

We are in a time of Truth being revealed from all directions. And there is probably no more fundamental, mind‑rattling, and previous notions‑shattering example of that than what is being presented here. The interview is directly followed by a number of pertinent excerpts from Eric’s eye‑opening book—which will be available July 1.

Editor’s note: It should be noted up‑front that the information presented below is the studied opinion of Eric Jon Phelps. We here at The SPECTRUM find much about his presentation of his historical research which meshes with and expands upon Truth which has been presented by many other authors in these pages and elsewhere. And that is good; Truth is Truth is Truth, and should all mesh.

However, for the peace of mind of our unique  readership—which typically has cultivated a more aware spiritual perspective than the general public—we do not want to give the impression that we agree with (or wish to promote) some collateral aspects of Eric’s presentation having to do with his personal "religious" convictions. The focus of those convictions follows a much more biblically conventional (literal) path—in stark contrast to the unconventional, questioning, wide‑angle vision of his historical material.

Generally such opinions are simply allowed to stand on their own—for you to sort and interpret as you see fit—rather than being singled‑out to be addressed editorially. However, in this case, the practical side of Eric’s stated religious convictions include the condoning of some degree of violence (or violent protest) and use of armaments. And such convictions are very much the opposite of our philosophical position—for many reasons, not the least of which is the obvious Adversarial bait‑and‑entrapment which would result from choosing what we would consider to be low‑frequency responses to schoolroom Earth’s current challenges.

Yet, if the perceptive reader penetrates "between the lines" thoughtfully, there is glimpsed a recurring commendable spiritual message in Eric’s commentary—of "Have the courage to speak The Truth" and "God helps those who help themselves"—which we certainly DO agree with wholeheartedly and have long supported enthusiastically.

We are in the time of the Great Awakening on this planet. The Light of Truth, intensifying with each passing moment, is nudging many to step forward and share what they know. Will such ones follow that nudge or continue to hide in fear? The answer to that question is perhaps the most important aspect of schoolroom Earth’s relentless testing at this critical time.

One last‑minute footnote before beginning this interview: The Arts & Entertainment (A&E) cable television channel just started to air—on Easter Sunday evening!—a new two‑hour documentary called: The Vatican Revealed. Tape it so you can study it carefully; within the lines of dialog and some of those people chosen for commentaries are many, many clues to the true power of the Vatican over world affairs. It would, of course, be much more revealing to watch the A&E program AFTER having read and digested the following.]

Martin: Before we begin, let me say a few words. The topic of your book is so comprehensive and covers, literally, all aspects of global control by the Jesuits, dating back to 1540. I would like to begin our conversation with a very important point of clarification so that our readers have something to hold onto while reading the historical narrative we are about to present. Let me also add that your book is one of the most compelling, dynamic, genuinely educational historical documents I have ever read. I want to tell you, I am impressed!

You, literally, link every major global conflict and political assassination to the hands of the Jesuit Order. The Jews, as with many other groups you mention, have been the unwitting pawns in this Jesuit Agenda.

[Note that the jews have always been willing accomplishes to instigation of almost all of the wars that have occurred in the last 1000 years or so. Here they are trying to make people believe that the jews would not do such things, but that is not true as a study of history will show - Get that information on the Black Pope from: Chick Publications, P.O. Box 3500, Ontario, CA 91761‑1199 - Willie Martin]

Today, the present. I’m going to start here, and then we’re going to go way back in time and work our way up. But, I want to start HERE because it will give a foundation for going back in time.

Today, who is the Superior General of the Jesuits, the so‑called "Black Pope" (black here refers to hidden, evil  activities, not to race or color) who gives the orders to the actual Pope. Is it still Jean‑Baptist Janssens?

Phelps: Janssens, Frenchman. No, he passed away in 1964. Then Pedro Arrupe came to power. Then, after Arrupe died, in 1988, I believe, the present Jesuit General is Count Hans Kolvenbach. I call him Count Hans Kolvenhoof.

Martin: Let’s discuss this position of "General" and, in addition, who is this person, Count Hans Kolvenbach? Who does he serve? What are his origins? Where does he hail from?

Phelps: The present General is a Dutchman, his nationality is Dutch.

Martin: Where is he? Physically, where is he?

Phelps: He resides in Rome, at the headquarters of the Jesuits, called the Church of Jesu. So, the Jesuit General resides in Rome at, what I just called, the Jesuit headquarters.

Martin: The Church of Jesu, is that near the Vatican?

Phelps: It’s not far from the Vatican, right. It’s in the same general area. It’s headquarters of the Knights of Malta.

Martin: Is it part of Vatican City, proper?

Phelps: Right, I believe, yes it is.

Martin: Where does Satan fit into this picture, and what is the ultimate goal of the Jesuits, the so‑called Society of Jesus?

Phelps: The Jesuit General, and the other high Jesuit Generals, they are sorcerers. They are Luciferians, and they worship what they would call Lucifer. They do not believe in Satan. They believe in Lucifer [which is just another name for satan, so who does he think he is fooling here - Willie Martin].

          Now, according to Alberto Rivera, he was invited—because he was a top Jesuit at the time in the late ’60s—he was invited to a "Black Mass" in Spain where there were quite a few top Jesuit Generals present. And he called it a "Black Mass." Well, when you’re involved in a "Black Mass," you’re involved in the worship of Lucifer, all dressed in their black capes and so on.

Martin: I’m fascinated by Count Hans Kolvenbach because nobody in the world knows who this person is. I’ve never heard the name.

Phelps: Let me just tell you that you can see his picture and his top Jesuits—just a second and I’ll get the book. The name of the book is called Jesuits: A Multi‑Biography, by Jean Lacoutre, and that is available, usually, in the bookstores. It was published in 1995.

Jean Lacoutre is a Frenchman. He was a communist, is a communist. On the last page of the pictures in it, that is right adjacent to page 343, you see Peter Hans Kolvenbach. He’s the Jesuit General, and he looks like just a very evil individual. There’s a Black man, who’s a high Jesuit, he’s a 29 Superior Jesuit with his cosmopolitan General staff. One of the General staff looks like Ben Kingsley of Shindler’s List. There are six White men, and one Black man. And that’s his General staff.

Martin: What is the process of choosing a successor General?

Phelps: The High Jesuits elect him, and he’s elected for life—unless he becomes a "heretic."

Martin: And the so‑called "High Jesuits" represent what group?

Phelps: I would say that they’re the "professed," the high 4th Degree. When a Jesuit is professed, he is under the Jesuit Oath; he is under the "Bloody Oath" that I have in my book.

Martin: Do we have permission to reprint that Oath in our paper?

Phelps: Of course, absolutely.

Martin: One of my questions has to do with the Oath and it’s similarity to the Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion, and I wrote that question before I got back to the Protocols portion of your book.

Phelps: The Jesuits obviously wrote the Protocols because they have carried out every protocol in that little handbook. They have carried everything out. And, Alberto Rivera says—and he was a Jesuit—he was greatly maligned, not helped at all by the Apostate, Protestants, and Baptists in this country; he was helped, somewhat, by Jack Chick. Jack Chick published his story in six volumes, titled Alberto I, II, III, IV, V, & VI.

[Remember your history, we know that the jews are the authors of the Protocols of the Learned Elders; just read the books by Nesta Webster - Willie Martin]

ALBERTO RIVERA SAYS THAT IT WAS JEWS ALIGNED WITH THE POPE WHO PUBLISHED THE PROTOCOLS. Well, I tend to feel that it was just the Jesuits themselves because they, and they alone, were the ones who were able to bring this to pass.

They’re the ones in the government. They’re the ones behind professional sports. The owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers is a Knight of Malta. The owner of the Detroit Lions is a Knight of Malta. All your top owners of these ball clubs, for the most part, are Knights of Malta, getting the people whooped up in this hoopla over games and sports, while they’re busy creating a tyranny. So, that was one of the things in the Protocols—that they would create "amusements."

Another one they used was Walt Disney, 33rd‑degree Freemason—Disneyworld, Disneyland. Another one was Milton Hersey, with Hersey Park. They create all of these  amusements and games and pastimes to get the people drunk with pleasure, while they’re busy overthrowing the Protestant form of government.

Martin: Where does Las Vegas factor into all of this?

          Phelps: Las Vegas, well, for the most part, is controlled by the Mafia. But all the high Mafia families are Roman Catholic, and they are ALL subordinate to the Pope or to the Cardinal of New York, which is Cardinal O’Connor—because the Commission, the Mafia Commission resides in New York.

[All of the heads of the Mafia are Catholics, but they are jews also - Willie Martin]

Frank Costello was a member of the Mob Commission, and he was intimate, personal friends with Knight of Malta, Hollywood mogul, Joe Kennedy. And that has not changed.

So, the High Knights are good, dear brothers with the High Mafia Dons—the Gambinos, the Lucchese, the Columbos, all of them. And they control Hollywood, not the Jews. It’s only Jews who are front‑men who are involved in Hollywood and working for the Mafia and for the Cardinal, just like in politics it would be Arlen Spector. Arlen Spector was Spelly’s [Cardinal Spellman’s] Jew in the assassination [of President Kennedy], and he would never say a word about it.

[Note here the author tries to make it appear that the jews are controlled by the Catholic, but that is false, the Catholics are controlled by the jew. You think not, remember when the Catholic church was about to go bankrupt because of a banking scandal a few years ago. That all happened because some of the higher Cathlics tried to throw off the Jewish leadership; so the jews showed them that they could bankrupt the church if they did not remain subservent to them - Willie Martin]

Martin: Now, as we go through here, if there’s anything that you don’t want me to print, please let me know because, literally, I’m going to print everything we say in this conversation.

Phelps: That’s fine, that’s fine with me because it needs to be said.

Martin: Let’s get back to Count Hans Kolvenbach. I want to shine the spotlight on this guy for just a little bit here. Let’s talk about him. What does he do? Who is he? Let’s talk about his position as "General." How do they exercise this control over the Pope? Does the Pope know he’s a pawn?

Phelps: Ok, one question at a time. So, which question do you want me to deal with?

Martin: Let’s just shine the light right on the Count.

Phelps: The Jesuit General, ok.

Martin: Let’s start there, and you tell me everything you want to tell me about that position.

Phelps: The Jesuit General is the absolute, complete, and total dictator and autocrat of the Order. When he speaks, his provincials move. The provincials are his major subordinates. There are around 83 provincials right now.

As I understand it, the Jesuit Order has divided the world into 83 regions. Ok? For each region, there is a Jesuit provincial. There are 10 provincials in the United States. There is one for Central America. There is one for Ireland. They’ve divided up the world into these provinces.

So it’s old Babylonian provincial government, centered in Nebuchadnezzar or the Jesuit General himself; so it’s strictly a Roman form of government where all the states or provinces are subordinate to this worldwide sovereign.

[Here the author confuses the Roman government with the Babylonian one - Willie Martin]

The Jesuit General exercises full and complete power over the Order. He meets with his provincials. When they decide to start a war or an agitation, he gets the information from the provincial of that country, how best to go about this, the demeanor of the people, and then he uses legitimate grievances to foam an agitation—like the 1964 Civil Rights Movement. That was ALL a Jesuit agitation, completely, because the end result was more consolidation of power in Washington with the 1964 Civil Rights Act that was written by [the longtime President of the University of Notre Dame, the Reverend] Theodore Hesburgh.

The Jesuit General rules the world through his provincials. And the provincials then, of course, rule the lower Jesuits, and there are many Jesuits who are not "professed," so many of the lower Jesuits have no idea what’s going on at the top. They have no concept of the power of their Order.

It’s just like Freemasonry. The lower  have no idea that the High Shriner Freemasons are working for the Jesuit General. They think that they’re just doing works and being good people. But the bottom line is that the high‑level Freemasons are subject, also, to the Jesuit General because the Jesuit General, with Fredrick the Great, wrote the High Degrees, the last 8 Degrees, of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry when Fredrick protected them when they were suppressed by the Pope in 1773.

[Note the Freemason have been under the control of the jews since Adam Weishopt and his fellow jews infiltrated the order - Willie Martin]

          So, you have the alignment with the Jesuit Order and the most powerful Freemason they had in the craft, Fredrick the Great, during their suppression. That is an irrefutable conclusion. And then, when you see the Napoleonic Wars, the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars carried out by Freemasonry, everything Napoleon did, and the Jacobins, whatever they did, completely benefited the Jesuit Order.

[Note the French Revolution was planned, fostered and carried out by jews. They might have been Catholics but they were jews first - Willie Martin]

It’s to this end that Alexander Dumas wrote his The Count Of Monte Cristo. The Count is the Jesuit General. Monte=Mount, Cristo=Christ. The Count of the Mount of Christ. Alexander Dumas was talking about the Jesuit General getting vengeance when the Jesuits were suppressed, and many of them were consigned to an island, three hours sailing, West, off the coast of Portugal. And so, when the Jesuits finally regained their power, they punished all of the monarchs of Europe who had suppressed them, drove them from their thrones, including the Knights of Malta from Malta, using Napoleon.

And Alexander Dumas, who fought for the Italian patriots in 1848, to free Rome from the temporal power of the Pope, wrote many books and one of the books was to expose this, and that was The Count Of Monte Cristo.

So, when you read that book, bear in mind that it’s really a satire on the Jesuit Order regaining their power in France. The Count of Monte Cristo has an intelligence apparatus that can’t be beat. Well, that’s the Jesuit Order.

But the Count doesn’t get what he really ought to have, or his last wish, and that’s the love of woman. He gains back all of his political power; he gains back everything he lost; but he doesn’t have the love of a woman. And THAT is the Jesuit Order. They have no women. They have no love of a woman. Because to have a wife, to have a woman, means you have an allegiance to your wife and family, and you cannot obey the General. That’s why they will NEVER be married, and that’s one of the great KEYS to their success.

They can betray a nation and walk away. They can betray all the Irish Catholics getting on the Titanic, and walk away. They can betray us in Vietnam and walk away. They can betray us every time we go to the hospital and get radiated and cut and drugged, and walk away, because it’s "for the greater glory of God"—Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam: the greater glory of the god who sits in Rome.

          Martin: What is the ULTIMATE goal of the Jesuits?

Phelps: Their ultimate goal is the rule of the world, with the Pope of their making, from Solomon’s rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. That’s their ultimate goal.

Martin: And why is Solomon’s Temple rebuilt so important?

Phelps: Because the Jesuits have always wanted that. When Ignatius Loyola first started the Order, one of the first things he did was, he wanted to go to Jerusalem and set up the Jesuit headquarters there. So, he went there, he tried to do it and failed, came back, went to school, started his Latin studies, etc. Maybe it might be a good idea to just review a little bit about Ignatius Loyola.

[Ignatius Loyola was a jewish bosque]

Martin: Yes.

Phelps: Ok, Ignatius Loyola was a Spanish soldier, and he was wounded at a battle between the French and the Spanish, and his leg was shattered. Well, the French General, because Loyola was very brave in conflict, ordered his own doctors to attend Loyola. So they set the leg and sent him back to his home—which, of course, he was royalty to the Counsel of Loyola in Spain, in the area of the Basques.

Loyola, through his series of desiring to regain his leg—it had healed improperly, so he made a rack where he would stretch the leg, with severe, horrible, awful pain—and trying to stretch this leg to get it back to normal shape, he endured awful, terrible pain. He had it rebroken, again, a couple of times and it still did not heal properly, so he had a perpetual limp. He could no longer be the courtier among women, and as a result, he went into this depression, and he then had this vision of the saints, etc., etc., and he wrote his spiritual exercises.


I will stop at the spiritual exercises, just for a minute, but I’ll take up from there. Loyola then wanted to form an army, but when this happened with his spiritual exercises, those spiritual exercises would be basic training for all of his Jesuits. That’s what they will ALL go through. That’s what every Jesuit goes through today.

One of the maxims of the spiritual exercises is that if my superior says "black is white and white is black," then that’s the way it is. That is in his spiritual exercises. That is what is quoted in JFK, when Kevin Costner is telling his people: "Hey, people, we’ve got to start thinking like the CIA. Black is white and white is black." That was a Jesuit giveaway that the Jesuits produced that movie, because they’re quoting Ignatius Loyola in that movie from his spiritual exercises.

So, Loyola had an indomitable will. He had a will of steel, and he set his mind to regain back what the Papacy had lost to the Reformation. And so, he went to the Pope, and the Pope in 1540 then created the Jesuit Order. But this man is a soldier, he’s a lawyer, and he put together a legion of soldiers and warriors to get back what Rome had lost, as well as institute a World Government for the Pope, from Jerusalem. This was in 1540.

[Here let me insert some history of the Jesuits that the author obviously does not want revealed, as he is trying to exonerate the jews.

The Order of the Jesuits was founded in 1541. It was a Spanish sect called the Alombrados was founded about 1520. Ignatius Loyola, a Jewish Spanish Basque, while a student at Salamanca (1527), was tried by an ecclesiastical commission for alleged sympathy with this sect but was acquitted with an admonition. (Occult Theocracy, by Lady Queenborough (Edith Starr Miller, p. 307) We give the following quotations from the Encyclopedia Britannica.

"The Company of the Jesuits was founded by Don Inigo de Loyola (Ignatius Loyola, a Jew), a Spanish nobleman and soldier, on April 5, 1541, at the church of Saint Paul without the Walls, near Rome, under the sanction of the Pope, Paul III. It has six grades. These are novices, scholastics, temporal, coadjutors, professed of the three vows, and professed of the four vows, the latter two grades being the only ones which confer a share in the government and eligibility for the offices of the society. Its head, virtually a commander‑in‑chief, is known as the General. He wields absolute power over the members who are pledged to blind obedience. The General claims his authority from the Pope.’

“The ‘fourth vow’ is one of special allegiance to the Pope promising to go in obedience to him for missionary purposes whensoever and whithersoever he may order, a pledge seriously qualified in practice, however, by the power given to the general of alone sending out or recalling any missionary. ‘The question has long been hotly debated whether, in addition to these six avowed grades, there be not a seventh, answering in some degree to the Tertiaries of the Franciscan and Dominican orders, secretly affiliated to the society, and acting as its unsuspected emissaries in various lay positions. This class is styled in France 'Jesuits of the short robe,' and some evidence in support of its actual existence was alleged during the lawsuits against the company under Louis XV. The Jesuits themselves deny the existence of any such body, and are able to adduce the negative disproof that no provision for it is to be found in their constitutions. On the other hand, there are clauses therein which make the creation of such a class perfectly feasible if thought expedient.

“One is the power given to the general to receive candidates secretly, and to conceal their admission, for which there is a remarkable precedent in the case of Francis Borgia, Duke of Gandia, afterwards himself general of the society; the other is an even more singular clause, providing for the admission of candidates to the company by persons who are not themselves members of it...The general, who should by the statutes of the society reside permanently at Rome, holds in his hands the right of appointment, not only to the office of provincial over each of the great districts into which the houses are mapped, but to the offices of each house in particular, no shadow of electoral right or even suggestion being recognized.

“The superiors and rectors of all houses and colleges in Europe must report weekly to their provincial on all matters concerning the members of the society and all outsiders with whom they may have had dealings of any sort. The provincial, for his part, must report monthly to the general, giving him a summary of all details which have reached himself. But, as a check on him, all superiors of houses in his province are to make separate reports directly to the general once in three months, and further to communicate with him, without delay, every time any matter of importance occurs, irrespective of any information which the provincial may have forwarded.

“Nor is this all; an elaborate system of espionage and deletion forms part of the recognized order of every house, and, in direct contrast to the ancient indictment and confession of faults in open conventual chapter, every inmate of a house is liable to secret accusation to its superior, while the superior himself may be similarly deleted to the provincial or the general.

“Nor is the general himself exempt from control on the part of the society, lest by any possible error he be unfaithful to its interests. A consultative council is impose on him by the general congregation, consisting of six persons, whom he may neither select nor remove, namely, four assistants, each representing a nation, an admonisher or adviser (resembling the adulates of a military commander) to warn him of any faults or mistakes, and his confessor.

“One of these must be in constant attendance on him; and, while he is not at liberty to abdicate his office, nor to accept any dignity or office outside it without the assent of the society, he may yet be suspended or deposed by its authority. There would seem at first to be an effectual external check provided, however, in the fact that, while all the officers of the society, except the council aforesaid, hold of the general, he in turn holds the Pope, and is his liegeman directly, as well as in virtue of the fourth vow, which he has taken in common with the other professed.

“But such is the extraordi­nary skill with which the relations of the society to the papacy were originally drafted by Loyola, and subsequently worked by his successors, that it has always remained organically independent, and might very conceivably break with Rome without imperiling its own existence.

“The general has usually stood towards the Pope much as a powerful grand feudatory of the Middle Ages did towards a weak titular lord paramount, or perhaps as the captain of a splendid host of 'Free Companions' did towards a potentate with whom he chose to take temporary and precarious service; and the shrewd Roman populace have long shown their recognition of this fact by styling these two great personages severally the 'White Pope' and the 'Black Pope.'

“In truth the society has never, from the very first, obeyed the Pope, whenever its will and his happened to run counter to each other. The merited odium which has overtaken the Inquisition, usually officered by Dominicans, has induced the Jesuits, whose own controversial methods had been different, to disclaim all connection with that tribunal, and to represent their society as free from complicity in its acts. But, in truth, it was Ignatius Loyola himself who procured its erection in Portugal in 1545‑6, and F. Nithard, one of the very few Cardinals of the society, was inquisitor‑general of that kingdom in 1655.

“The first successes of the Indian mission were entirely amongst the lowest class; but when Robert de'Nobili, to win the Brahmins, adopted their insignia and mode of life in 1605, a step sanctioned by Gregory XV, in 1623, the fathers who followed his example pushed the new caste‑ feeling so far as absolutely to refuse the ministrations and sacraments of religion to the pariahs, lest the Brahmin converts should take offense, an attempt which was reported to Rome by Norbert, a Capuchin, and by the bishop of Rosalia, and was vainly censured in the pontifical briefs of Innocent X in 1645, Clement IX in 1669, Clement XII in 1734 and 1739, and Benedict XIV, in 1745. The 'Chinese rites,' assailed with equal unsuccess by 9 popes, were not finally put down until 1744, by a bull of Benedict XIV...

“By these rites the Jesuit missionaries had virtually assimilated Christianity to heathenism, and their practical reply in opposition to a papal decree in 1700 was to obtain an edict from the emperor of China declaring that there was nothing idolatrous or superstitious in the inculpated usages, while in 1710 they flung Cardinal Tournon, legate of Clement XI, into the prison of the Inquisition at Macao, where he perished.

“Finally, they disobeyed the brief of suppression issued by Clement XIV in 1773, which enjoined them to disperse at once, to send back all novices to their houses, and to receive no more members. It is thus clear that the society has always regarded itself as an independent power, ready indeed to cooperate with the papacy so long as their roads and interests are the same, and to avail itself to the uttermost of the many pontifical decrees in its own favor, but drawing the line far short of practical submission when their interest diverge.

“The Jesuit power [which has, since it creation, been under total control of the Jews], appeared much weakened in England by the rise of the Jewish Power with the advent of Cromwell, persisted nevertheless in its efforts to recapture its former status in that land. During the reign of James II, it schemed and intrigued incessantly through its representatives Father St. Germain [Once regent of the Jesuit College of Clermont] and his successor Father Columbiere. (D. Jones, The Secret History of White‑Hall, 1697, p. 41)

“After the enactment of the limitation of the English throne to Protestant succession the Jesuit diplomatists were hard put. To quote the Encyclopedia further: ‘After many difficulties they had succeeded in getting a footing in France, through the help of Duprat, bishop of Clermont, who founded a college for them in 1545 in the town of Billom, besides making over to them his house at Paris, the Hotel de Clermont, which became the nucleus of the afterwards famous college of Louis‑le‑Grand, while a formal legalization was granted to them by the states‑general at Poissy in 1561.’ From the Jesuit College at Ingolstadt is said to have issued the sect known as ‘The Illuminati of Bavaria’ founded by Adam Weishaupt [a Jew] under the guidance of Nicolai, in 1776. Weishaupt, its nominal founder, however, seems to have played a subordinate though conspicuous role in the organization of this sect. (See The Illuminati Of Bavaria ‑‑ Founded 1776) On July 21, 1773, the Pope had abolished the order of Jesuits but Frederick II of Prussia encouraged and protected them with a view no doubt of using their political knowledge and skill against the Bourbons, the Hapsburgs and the Pope.

“The well‑known authority on theocratic organizations, Heckethorn, writes the following concerning the Jesuits: ‘There is considerable analogy between Masonic and Jesuitic degrees; and the Jesuits also tread down the shoe and bare the knee, because Ignatius Loyola thus presented himself at Rome and asked for the confirmation of the order. Not satisfied with confession, preaching, and instruction, whereby they had acquired unexampled influence, they formed in Italy and France, in 1563, several 'Congregations,' i.e. clandestine meetings held in subterranean chapels and other secret places. the Congregationists had a sectarian organization, with appropriate catechisms and manuals, which had to be given up before death, wherefore very few copies remain.’ (Heckethorn, Secret Societies of all Ages and Countries, Vol. II, p. 296)

“To show the further similarity of the Jesuit‑Judaic‑Masonic‑Gnostic‑Brahmin‑Illuminati theology we now quote from a MS. in the library of the Rue Richelieu at Paris entitled Histoire des congregations et sodalites jesuitiques depuis 1563 jusqu'au temps present (1709). (Schaff‑Herzog, The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Art. Jesuits) Initiation.

“From this, as well as other works, we gather some of the ceremonies with which aspirants were initiated into the Order. Having in nearly all Roman Catholic countries succeeded in becoming the educators of the young, they were able to mold the youthful mind according to their secret aims. If then, after a number of years, they detected in the pupil a blind and fanatic faith, conjoined with exalted pietism and indomitable courage, they proceeded to initiate him; in the opposite case, they excluded him.

“The proofs lasted twenty‑four hours, for which the candidate was prepared by long and severe fasting, which, by prostrating his bodily strength, inflamed his fancy, and, just before the trial, a powerful drink was adminis­tered to him. Then the mystic scene began ‑‑ diabolical apparitions, evocation of the dead, representations of the flames of hell, skeletons, moving skulls, artificial thunder and lightning, in fact, the whole paraphernalia and apparatus of the ancient mysteries. If the neophyte, who was closely watched, showed fear of terror, he remained for ever in the inferior degree; but if he bore the proof well, he was advanced to a higher grade.

“At the initiation into the second degree (Scholastici) the same proofs, but on a grander scale, had to be undergone. The candidate, again prepared for them by long fastings, was led with his eyes bandaged into a large cavern, resounding with wild howlings and roarings, which he had to traverse, reciting at the same time prayers specially appointed for that occasion. At the end of the cave he had to crawl through a narrow opening, and while doing this, the bandage was taken from his eyes by an unseen hand, and he found himself in a square dungeon, whose floor was covered with mortuary cloth, on which stood three lamps, shedding a feeble light on the skulls and skeletons ranged around.

“This was the Cave of Evocation, the Black Chamber, so famous in the annals of the Fathers. Here, giving himself up to prayer, the neophyte passed some time, during which the priests could, without his being aware of it, watch his every movement and gesture.

“If his behavior was satisfactory, all at once two brethren, representing archangels, presented themselves before him, without his being able to tell whence they had so suddenly started up, a good deal can be done with properly fitted and oiled trap‑doors, and, observing perfect silence, bound his forehead with a white band soaked with blood, and covered with hieroglyphics; they then hung a small crucifix round his neck, and a small satchel containing relics, or what did duty for them.

“Finally, they took off all his clothing, which they cast on a pyre in one corner of the cave, and marked his body with numerous crosses, drawn with blood. At this point, the hierophant with his assistants entered, and, having bound a red cloth round the middle of the candidate's body, the brethren, clothed in bloodstained garments, placed themselves beside him, and drawing their daggers, formed the steel arch over his head.

“A carpet being then spread on the floor, all knelt down and prayed for about an hour, after which the pyre was secretly set on fire; the further wall of the cave opened, the air resounded with strains, now gay, now lugubrious, and a long procession of specters, phantoms, angels, and demons filed past the neophyte like the 'supers' in a pantomime.

“Whilst this farce was going on, the candidate took the following oath: 'In the name of Christ crucified, I swear to burst the bonds that yet unite me to father, mother, brothers, sisters, relations, friends; to the King, magistrates, and any other authority, to which I may ever have sworn fealty, obedience, gratitude, or service.

“I re­nounce...the place of my birth, henceforth to exist in another sphere. I swear to reveal to my new superior, whom I desire to know, what I have done, thought, read learnt, or discov­ered, and to observe and watch all that comes under my notice. I swear to yield myself up to my superior, as if I were a corpse, deprived of life and will. I finally swear to flee temptation, and to reveal all I succeed in discovering, well aware that lightning is not more rapid and ready than the dagger to reach me wherever I may be.'

“The new member having taken this oath was then introduced into a neighboring cell, where he took a bath, and was clothed in garments of new and white linen. He, then, finally repaired with the other brethren to a banquet, where he could with choice food and wine compensate himself for his long abstinence, and the horrors and fatigues he had passed through.

“In 1614, there was published at Cracow what purported to be the Secret Instructions given to members of the Society of Jesus. It is said that Hieronymus Zahorowski, who had recently severed his connection with the society, published the book with the cooperation of Count George Zbraski and other polish enemies of the order but the repudiation or the work by the society is no conclusive evidence of its spuriousness as it has been its policy from the beginning to deny all discreditable reports and to take the chance of being proved unver­acious. (Schaff‑Herzog, Art. Jesuits)

“It will suffice to give the headings of the chapters forming the Book of Secret Instruction of the Society of Jesus. (Heckethorn, Vol. II, p. 302) The Preface specially warns superiors not to allow it to fall into the hands of strangers, as it might give them a bad opinion of the Order. The Chapters are headed as follows:

"I. How the Society is to proceed in founding a new establishment.

II. How the Brethren of the Society may acquire and preserve the friendship of Princes and other distinguished Personages.

III. How the Society is to conduct itself towards those who possess great influence in a state; and who, though they are not rich, may yet be of service to others.

IV. Hints to Preachers and Confessors of Kings and great personages.

V. What conduct to observe toward the clergy and other religious orders.

VI. How to win over rich widows.

VII. How to hold fast widows and dispose of their property.

VIII. How to induce the children of widows to adopt a life of religious seclusion.

IX. Of the increase of College revenues.

X. Of the private rigor of discipline to be observed by the society.

XI. How 'Ours' shall conduct themselves toward those that have been dismissed from the society.

XII. Whom to keep and make much of in the society.

XIII. How to select young people for admission into the society, and how to keep them there.

XIV. Of reserved cases, and reasons for dismissing from the society.

XV. How to behave towards nuns and devout women.

XVI. How to pretend contempt for riches.

XVII. General means for advancing the interests of the society.

“The intermeddling of this society in the affairs, political, ecclesiastical and civil, of many countries, is related in numerous works, and repeatedly produced the suppression and expulsion of the order, though it constantly reappeared with new names. In 1716 the French army was infested with Jesuitical and anti‑ Jesuitical societies.

“The Parliament of Paris suppressed them in 1762. They were abolished by papal bull in 1773 at the demand of France, Spain, Portugal, Parma, Naples and Austria. They are, however, still to be found everywhere, and they hold considerable property in England. A modern writer justly calls the 'Black International.

“Historically, the Jesuits are given credit for the Gunpowder Plot of 1605, fomenting the Thirty years war, the encouragement of the aspiration of Mary Stuart which led to her execution, the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes by Louis XIV, 1685, and numerous other great events of history. Which is no doubt true as the Protocols attest that the Jews have been behind every revolution and war in the world for more than a thousand years. The Sanfedesti was founded at the epoch of the suppression of the Jesuits for the defense of religion, the privileges and jurisdiction of Rome and the temporal power of the popes. Their successors were the Calderari. (Occult Theocracy, pp. 308‑318)

As you can clearly see the Jesuits is just another organization secret or otherwise that the jew use to hide behind whey they do their best to obey their god lucifer, and destroy the White Race, the True Israelites and children of Jacob/Israel - Willie Martin]

He started the Order in 1536. He was arrested by the Inquisition, and he was released, and he went to the Pope; he threw himself at the feet of the Pope. He would be completely at his service. The Pope chartered him, and that Pope was Pius III. The Pope chartered them, created the Jesuit Order; now he has Papal protection, and they began their awful history of deeds of blood. And war after war after war after war, they’re all attributed to the Jesuit Order in some way. Catholic nobles, with lots of money, donated castles and schools and money to the Jesuit Order.

Virtually everything they own has been given to them or stolen by them. Of course, they stole all of the fortunes of the Jews in World War II. They stole all their gold, all their assets and everything, whenever they went into a country. What’s just been released is NOTHING compared to what they’ve taken.

[Note here the author is lying about the jews money, the Catholics didn’t steal the jews money, it is the other way around; not only did they retain controll of the church they retained control of its assets as well - Willie Martin]


In Edmond Paris’s book, printed by Ozark Publications, called The Vatican Against Europe, it gets into great detail of what they did. It calls it—the last 30 years of war is all attributable to the Jesuits, their massacres of the Serbs and Jews, etc. But Edmond Paris did not understand that the Jesuit General—and this is one of the most important points I want to make about Von Kolvenbach—the Jesuit General is in complete control of the international intelligence community: that’s the CIA, the FBI, the KGB, the Israeli Mossad, the German BND, the British SIS. The Jesuit General is in COMPLETE CONTROL of the entire intelligence apparatus—FBI, every bureaucratic agency in this country, all of it; he is in complete control of it.

So, whenever he wants to find something out about an individual, they put in the Social Security number, and everything from all of the intelligence apparatus kicks‑in and he and his provincials can review everything about that man. Credit cards, you name it, everything that’s attached to Rome’s social security number, which FDR put upon us in 1933 with the help of Spellman; at the time, I believe he was Archbishop, or maybe it was Cardinal Hayes—but Rome was behind FDR in putting him in office.

The couple of things that he did was implement social insecurity, the income tax, and recognizing Joseph Stalin’s bloody Jesuit USSR government. So, with the giving of us the Social Security number, that is Rome’s number—that’s why I refuse to use it—and that’s why they want everybody using it for everything: driver’s license, tax return, credit card, everything you do, that number is you and that number is Rome’s number.

Martin: Let me just back‑up here for a minute. What comes to mind is Louis Freeh, head of the FBI.

Phelps: Roman Catholic, good altar boy. Probably a Knight of Columbus; I can’t prove it. But anybody with that kind of power has got to be a Knight of Columbus.

[As you see the author of the book never admits and anyone is a jew, that they are all Catholics and well they might be but that does not mean they are not jews]

And the Knights of Columbus implement Jesuit politics. And Louis Freeh was the one behind the Waco atrocity and the Oklahoma City bombing atrocity. And his top sniper was a Japanese Roman Catholic named Lon Horiuchi.

So, it’s Roman Catholics in control, Knights in control of the FBI, who carried out all of this killing. And those two men, Louis Freeh and Lon Horiuchi are personally accountable to Cardinal O’Connor of New York. And Cardinal O’Connor of New York is the most powerful Cardinal in the country. He is the military vicar. And that’s why Bush kissed his fanny for going to Bob Jones, because Cardinal O’Connor is the King of the American Empire. And he rules his Empire from that Palace, St. Patrick’s Cathedral, “the little Vatican.”

Martin: And is he in contact, do you think, with Kolvenbach?

Phelps: Of course. O’Connor himself is not a Jesuit, but the Jesuits are like the SS of the Catholic Church. They maintain order.

And the ones closest to him who maintain order are the Jesuits of Fordham University. Now, one of them—the head of Fordham University, I believe he is an Irishman, is also a member of the CFR [Council on Foreign Relations]. And I have that right here in the Annual Report of the CFR of 1993. Those Jesuits at Fordham maintain semblance and rule over the Cardinal in New York. And, of course, the powerful Jesuits of Fordham include Avery Dulles and John Foster Dulles, one of the writers of the book on the Second Vatican Council.

Martin: Let’s back‑up now, let’s go back. What’s the Council of Trent?

Phelps: The Council of Trent was the response of Rome to the Protestant Reformation. Remember—the Protestant Reformation brought us all of the political liberty that we know of today. There’s no such thing as national sovereignty without the Reformation. There’s no such thing as private rights without the Reformation. There’s no such thing as the Law of Nations, as we know of it today, of Montesquieu and the others, without the Reformation.

So, when the Reformation came with their doctrines of salvation by grace through faith alone, and that there was no need for the priesthood to go to Heaven—that all we need is salvation in Christ, and Romans 1:17: the righteous shall live by faith. When the Reformation came, it completely stripped Rome of its spiritual power. The priests were no longer wanted because the people were getting the word of God in a Bible, specifically in Holland, England, and Germany. And so, with these great revivals breaking forth and the Reformation happening, nations were breaking away from the power of the Pope. The Holy Roman Empire was breaking up. Charles V, the Emperor, resigned and became a monk and a gardener. So, the Lord was moving mightily in breaking the power of the Holy Roman Empire, started by Charlemagne and the Pope.

          Well, this was not good for Rome because they were losing lots of money. The nations were not

          paying "Peter’s pence" anymore, which today we call "foreign aid" in this country. And so the Pope

          was very upset about his.

          What’s he going to do? These nations are breaking away from us; they’re not under our temporal or

          spiritual power; and it’s very important to remember that the Pope claims two powers—spiritual and

          temporal—and with the breaking of his spiritual power, he then lost his temporal power. In other

          words, he no longer had the ability to rule the people through the king of the country, because the

          king was breaking away, like Henry VIII.

          So, Henry VIII broke away from the Roman Church and formed the Church of England; he no

          longer was subject to the Pope. This was happening in England, in Germany, in Holland, and other


          As a result of this, the Devil raised up Ignatius Loyola with his demonisms, his "spiritual exercises"

          and—because Loyola had been a member of the Spanish Alumbrados, which is what we call the

          Illuminati today, and he used the Jesuit Order to attempt to regain back what had been taken by the

          Reformation—what the Lord had done through Luther, Calvin, and Knox. And, by the way, Luther,

          Calvin, and Knox—none of those men died violent deaths. They all lived to older age and died

          peacefully, amidst the power of the Jesuit machinations.

          The Council of Trent consists of 25 Sessions. Those 25 Sessions accurse and condemn all the

          doctrines of the Reformation. It condemns anybody who does not believe that the literal Jesus Christ

          is in the host [holy communion bread], and that his literal blood is in the wine. That’s called

          transubstantiation. Anybody who does not believe that is an accursed anathema. Anybody who

          believes that their salvation is outside the Catholic Church is accursed anathema. Anybody who

          believes in justification by grace through faith—anathema, accursed. Anybody who believes that the

          Pope is not the vicar of Christ—accursed, anathema. You see, all of these doctrines were being put

          forth as a result of reading the Bible, which produced the Reformation, and so the Jesuits accursed

          everything that the Reformers were preaching. This is all in Law called the Council of Trent.

          In the 4th Session, which is probably the most important Session, the Jesuits condemn freedom of

          speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of conscience. So, no man has the right to choose his

          own religion; no man has the right to publish what he feels is the truth; and no man has the right to

          freedom of conscience.

          Those rights were secured by our Baptist/Calvinist forefathers in the First Amendment. The man

          who wrote the First Amendment was James Madison, who was a Baptist/Calvinist, and he was

          told by that Baptist/Calvinist in Virginia, Doc. John Leland: "If you don’t secure all those rights,

          Virginia will not ratify the Constitution." Virginia was a Baptist/Calvinist state.

          So, we have a warfare between the Council of Trent and the doctrines of the Reformation,

          particularly as outlined by John Calvin in his Institutes Of The Christian Religion. Calvin [1536]

          wrote the Institutes Of The Christian Religion, he finished it when he was 27, and he dedicated it

          to the King of France. And because the Jesuits so hated him, he was driven from France and he

          resided in Geneva to the day of his death, when he became Governor of Geneva. It’s Calvin and his

          Institutes Of The Christian Religion vs. Loyola and his Council of Trent, if you want it sewed‑up

          in two major documents.

          Martin: Council of Trent was what year?

          Phelps: From 1545‑1563, eighteen years. And Trent is a little town in Italy. So, it was a Council

          that took place in the town of Trent, Italy.

          The Presbyterian Westminster Confession And Faith that was finished in 1648, after the 30

          Years War, is another extension of Calvin’s Institutes, and is what the Church of Scotland and the

          Covenanters went by when they resisted the powers of Rome and England. That document is a

          major document, and it’s not the new Westminster Confession, it’s the old one of 1648, where

          they called the Pope the man of sin, that Roman Anti‑Christ, and they also denounced anti‑Christian


          And that it is their duty, to use what they call "the sword of the spirit", which is the Word of God,

          which we read in Ephesians, Chapter 6, and "the sword of just defense"—the gun, the sword.

          So, us Calvinists believe that there is a time for peace and a time for war, and we do not refuse to go

          to the battlefield when it’s necessary. It was the Calvinists who gave us our political liberty in

          England with Cromwell. He was a Calvinist and an independent Baptist. It was Calvinists in Holland

          who gave the Dutch their political liberty, with William of Orange, and later his son, Prince Maurice,

          and then later, in our great country, when it was Washington, the Freemason who did not go into that

          Masonic Lodge that last 30 years of his life—in his own words—who was a Baptist and a Calvinist.

          He was baptized in the First Baptist Church of New York by one of his captains, Pastor Gano, all

          surrounded by Calvinists.

          That’s why they didn’t surrender at Valley Forge; that’s why, when they were naked, when they

          went through the snow, barefoot, they endured that because they were Bible‑believing Calvinists and

          they refused to submit to the tyranny of King George, who was controlled by the Jesuits.

          And that is the soul of our country. If we lose that soul, we’ve lost everything. And those very same

          Baptists, in the Second Amendment, secured their right to bear arms, because they secured the

          right, the "sword of just defense". And the "sword of the spirit" is contained in the First

          Amendment, the right to have the Bible never taken from them. The two swords of Calvinism are

          secured in the First and Second Amendments. Without those first two Amendments, all the others

          are nothing.

          Martin: Well, I got to my question #2. So, let’s go to #3 of the seventy. (laughter)

          How does Shriner Freemason President Harry Truman’s signing into law of the Emergency War

          Powers Act of 1950 factor into the Jesuit Agenda?

          Phelps: First of all, Harry Truman, who the Japanese called "Dirty Harry"—when they heard the

          movie Dirty Harry came out, they thought it was a movie about Harry Truman, according to my

          Japanese pastor friend, Daniel Fuji, who has passed away.

          Harry Truman was put in office by the Jesuits, the Pensergast Democratic machine in Missouri.

          Harry Truman takes over after FDR’s murder, because he was murdered in the home of Bernard

          Baruch. When he did that, he then finished up the war with the hoax called the dropping of the

          nuclear bombs, to purposely create this greater hoax called the Cold War, that would enable the

          Vatican to knock over country after country after country, and replace the leaders with dictators,

          subordinate to the Pope. That was the purpose of the Cold War.

          And so, when Harry Truman in 1950 signed into law the Emergency War Powers Act, the Cold

          War was in full force. They were building bomb shelters, etc. So the nation was in kind of a frenzy.

          When he signed this into law, it put the whole country under military or martial law, and that’s when

          the flags in every courtroom, state and federal, began to be changed. And every state flag and every

          U.S. flag is now trimmed in gold fringe. And whenever you see a flag trimmed in gold fringe, that

          means that it is the flag of the Commander‑in‑Chief. Now, if it’s the state flag, it means that’s the flag

          of the governor, as Commander‑in‑Chief. And if it’s the federal flag, or the national flag, more

          correctly, it’s the flag of the Commander‑in‑Chief in Washington.

          So, all your courts are nothing more than courts of military rule. They all proceed with summary

          procedures. The jury has no power of jury nullification. And they are simply enforcing the laws of the

          Empire, which I call 14th Amendment America, which is a military‑style, King of England‑style

          country. The courts are nothing more than courts of the king’s bench, as you can see in

          Blackstone’s Commentaries.

          And the banks, as you walk into every bank, they all have a flag trimmed in gold fringe. The bank is

          what England would call, in Blackstone’s day, the king’s bank. So, we have the king’s bank, and we

          have the king’s bench. And it’s run according to military rule, according to Berkheimer’s great work

          Military Rule And Martial Law, published in 1914.

          When Harry Truman did this, there was a consummation of a great plan to put us under the

          Emergency War Powers Act and, actually, a war rule. "Daylight savings time" is what was called

          "war time". This country only went to daylight savings time during World War II, and they called it,

          at that time, war time. So, nothing’s changed. We’ve never gone back to not turning back our

          clocks. We’re still on war time. The income tax is a war tax. It was called a victory tax in 1942.

          So, people are paying a war tax, they’re under war time, they’re under an emergency war powers

          act, and the courts are war courts.

          Martin: Regarding the assassination of President John Kennedy, which could take this entire

          interview, you say that the assassination was ordered by the Jesuit General, executed by Pope Paul

          VI, and carried out by the "American Pope", Francis Cardinal Spellman—who, in turn, used the

          Knights of Malta, Shriner Freemasons, Knights of Columbus, and Mafia Dons, including the FBI

          and CIA, to carry out the order from Rome. Would you explain why you believe your particular

          theory on the assassination to be an accurate representation of the facts?

          Phelps: Sure. Alright, number one: The powers that be are properly outlined [in his book], and

          proven through two centuries of showing how it’s all been put together. Now, as to why, I will be

          conservative and stick with Fletcher Prouty’s reasons, that he outlined in his JFK and also his other

          book called The Secret Team.

          The reason why Kennedy was assassinated was he wanted to end the Vietnam War, and he wanted

          to end the rule of the CIA. That begets two questions: Did Rome want the Vietnam War? And, did

          Rome control the CIA? The answer is yes on both counts.

          We know, on its face, that the Vietnam War was called "Spelly’s War"—Cardinal Spellman’s war.

          He went over to the warfront many times and he called the American soldiers the "soldiers of

          Christ". The man who was the Commander of the American forces was a Roman Catholic, CFR

          member, possibly a Knight of Columbus, I don’t know, but he was General William Westmoreland.

          So, Westmoreland was Cardinal Spellman’s agent to make sure that war was prosecuted properly.

          And another overseer of Westmoreland was Cardinal Spellman’s boy, Lyndon Baines Johnson.

          Lyndon Baines Johnson was a 33rd‑degree Freemason. He was also part of the assassination, with

          J. Edgar Hoover, another 33rd‑degree Freemason.

          And Johnson went to Cardinal Spellman’s death at St. Patrick’s Cathedral, and the picture can be

          seen in Cooney’s work The American Pope. So, Johnson was completely at the beck and call of

          Cardinal Spellman through Cartha DeLoach, the 3rd‑in‑control of the FBI. According to Curt

          Gentry, in his Hoover: The Man And The Secrets, DeLoach had a phone at his bedside direct to

          Johnson, and Johnson could call him anytime. DeLoach was a Knight of Malta, subject to Spellman.

          Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, why? Spellman was controlled by the Jesuits of Fordham. Why

          did the Jesuit General want the Vietnam War? The people of Vietnam, the Buddhists, were

          unconvertible. They would not convert to Catholicism. They didn’t need Rome.

          There had been a Jesuit presence in Vietnam for centuries, so it had been decided that about a

          million or so Buddhists would have to be "purged". They would later continue this purge of

          Cambodia, with Pol Pot, and the purge is yet for Thailand. It was a purging of Laos, Cambodia, and

          Vietnam of all these Buddhists, just like they purged the Buddhists of China with Mao Zedong,

          because Mao Zedong was completely controlled by the Jesuits. So, they wanted the Vietnam War.

          The other thing is that Rome is in control of the drug trade. The Vatican controls all of the drug

          trade—all of the heroin, all of the opium, all of the cocaine, everything going around in Columbia.

          Columbia has a concordat with the Pope. A concordat is a treaty with the Pope. Hitler had a

          concordat. Mussolini had a concordat. Franco had a concordat. They want to set up a concordat

          here, which was the reason for Reagan formally recognizing the sovereign state of Vatican City in

          1984. The greatest traitor we ever had was Ronald Reagan.

          So, they had a concordat. Columbia has a concordat. Do you think that drugs running out of

          Columbia, with a country that has a concordat with Rome, is not controlled by Rome? If Rome

          didn’t want the drug trade out of Columbia, they’d end the concordat. The whole drug trade is run

          by high Mafia families out of the country of Columbia, subject to the Jesuit General.

          And the Jesuit General ran the Opium trade, a couple of centuries ago, out of China. They ran the

          silk trade, the pearl trade. The movie Shogun is but a slight scratching of the surface of the Jesuit

          "black ships" that trafficked in all of this silk and pearls and gold and opals and everything they could

          pull out of the East, including opium.

          The Vietnam War was to consolidate and control this huge massive drug‑trade that would inundate

          every American city with drugs, being brought in by the CIA with their Air America, and then

          distributed by the Trafficante family throughout the United States—Santos Trafficante out of Miami.

          So we have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the drug trade. We have the Mafia and the

          CIA working together in the assassination of Kennedy.

          The first reason why the Jesuit General [at that time, Jean‑Baptist Janssens] wanted Kennedy out

          of the way was because he was going to end the Vietnam War.

          The second reason is, he wanted to end the reign of the CIA, because the CIA had betrayed him in

          the person of McGeorge Bundy, by not giving the cover to the Cuban patriots to retake Cuba from

          that Roman Catholic, Jesuit‑trained, grease‑ball bastard—he was a bastard, his father was a

          Nazi—Fidel Castro.

          Kennedy was betrayed by the CIA at the Bay of Pigs invasion, which sacrificed all the patriots on

          the shores of the Bay of Pigs there, so Castro had no real opposition. This was the same tactic, used

          by the CIA and the KGB at the top, working together with Angleton controlling it, in the Hungarian

          Revolution, when the CIA fomented that revolution, and then betrayed all of those patriots into the

          hands of the Soviet army and KGB, which infuriated certain top CIA officials.

          It’s the same tactic: you raise up a revolution and you sacrifice the men who truly want to resist.

          When that happened, when McGeorge Bundy stopped the air cover of the Bay of Pigs invasion, that

          ended that resistance to Castro and it enthroned him into power. And, of course, it was meant to be

          by the Jesuits because they HAD trained him. So now Kennedy looks bad. He’s got egg all over his

          face. What does he want to do? He signs a Memorandum, according to Fletcher Prouty, and takes

          all of the power away from the CIA, and gives it to the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

          The CIA was built by the Knights of Malta. One of the founders of the CIA was "Wild" Bill

          Donovan, an Irish Roman Catholic, who are the most fanatical, and his brother was a Dominican

          priest, Vincent. So, the CIA was founded by this high Roman Catholic, the first head, to solidify the

          Catholic or the Vatican control of it.

          I’m not against the Catholic people; I’m against Rome’s hierarchy. The American Catholic people

          know NOTHING of what’s going on. And if they did, there would be a march on St. Patrick’s

          tomorrow morning. So, as I’m against the hierarchy, I’m showing that Kennedy was against the

          Vietnam War, and he was going to do away with the CIA.

          Well, the Jesuits had brought in all of their top Nazi SS soldiers into the CIA because the Jesuits

          were using the SS to kill the Jews in Europe. When the Einsatzgruppen went into Russia, the Jesuits

          followed with the SS and purged Western Russia of all its Jews. That’s why Stalin deliberately killed

          40,000 of his best officers. That’s why he kicked out his best generals, purged them, because he

          wanted to make sure that the Red Army would lose with the advance of the German army, because

          following that would come the SS and purge Russia of the Jews that Stalin so hated. And by the

          way, justice is often poetic because Stalin’s daughter married a Jew.

          Now, the CIA was composed of the SS. The CIA now was an arm—and the intelligence arm—of

          the Vatican. The Knights of Malta were throughout. Casey was a Knight of Malta. Angleton was a

          Knight of Malta. The Knights were through and through. Angleton manned the "Vatican desk", and

          that is a desk within the CIA that has a direct link to the Vatican.

          So, Kennedy wanted to end this "intelligence community". That was the end of him.

          Thus for anyone attempting to end the CIA, and attempting to end the Vietnam War, and also

          because he attacked the Jesuits’ Federal Reserve Bank by printing United States Notes, they got rid

          of him. They killed our only Roman Catholic president.

          And it’s another piece of poetic justice that a Roman Catholic—not Protestants, like Harry Truman,

          FDR, and others—it’s a Roman Catholic who truly sought to resist the temporal power of the Pope

          in this country. And in many ways, even though Kennedy was, in fact, a socialist and communist, at

          least he resisted the temporal power of the Pope. And for that we should be thankful and remember

          his name.

          But what have they done to his name? They’ve slammed it. They drag it into the dirt. Every time you

          see it on TV, they parade before you his womanizing, which I don’t deny, but my goodness, can’t

          we give him some credit where credit is due? That’s why they got rid of John F. Kennedy.

          And then, of course, as soon as he’s assassinated, John McCone, the head of the CIA, the following

          day goes to the White House and they reverse Kennedy’s Memorandum of reversing the Vietnam

          War and make a full‑scale, carte blache war.

          The CIA then is tremendously and heavily funded, because it was a CIA war. And there they tried

          all of their new technology, their anti‑gravity machines, their men who they’re trying to make like the

          "million‑dollar man". They tried out all their new technology in Vietnam. It was a great experimental

          theater, and Kennedy knew this. He knew it, and he knew that the American people had no idea

          what was going down, and he still tried to resist it, against his father’s warnings. Because his father

          was the most powerful Knight of Malta in the Empire.

          Martin: Any theories on why they took out junior?

          Phelps: Yes. According to Tom Kuncle, in his publication, John F. Kennedy, Jr. wanted to find his

          father’s real killers, and he had the power to publish the conclusion. So, they took him out right

          away. They would not allow that to happen.

          Martin: Why haven’t you been taken out?

          Phelps: Because I am immortal—until the Lord is done with me. I am a Calvinist and a Baptist, and

          we believe in the sovereignty of God. And as long as we are operating in His Will, they cannot touch

          us, regardless of their power.

          Martin: Which is why we’re having this conversation.

          Phelps: Which is why we’re having the conversation. Don’t think for one moment they’re not

          tapping this phone. They know this. The issue is here. We’re talking about a providential, sovereign

          God who wishes to move, using second causes, men, just as the Devil does.

          The Devil always uses second causes, men. So, it’s one group of men vs. another group of men, and

          one path leads to evil, and the true, almighty God leads to goodness.

          The problem is, with us, there are very few men who want to believe God anymore. Nobody

          believes He can deliver anymore. It’s just a handful of us who say: "Well, we’re going to do His Will;

          we’re going to trust Him in His Power."

          And like the Hebrews getting ready to be thrown into the fiery furnace of Nebuchadnezzar, our God

          is able to deliver us. We’re going to tell the truth!

          Martin: Let’s see here. I can throw away a lot of these questions. So much of it seems, in a way,

          irrelevant to our current times because there’s so much going on now. But, good grief! I was just

          stunned to read in your book of all the historical things that have happened as a result of these evil

          people. You dedicated the book to four Roman Catholics who, I’m sure, no one has ever heard of:

          Charles Chiniquy, Jeremiah Crowley, Emmett McLaughlin, and Alberto Rivera. Why them?

          Phelps: Because those Roman Catholic men were priests; they left the priesthood and told the truth

          about what was really happening. And all four of them, except one, I think Emmett McLaughlin, paid

          with their life. Chiniquy was the great exposer of the Jesuit assassination of President Lincoln, when

          he wrote his masterpiece Fifty Years In The Church Of Rome in 1886. He proves that Lincoln was

          assassinated by the Jesuits, and that it was covered‑up by our government at the time.

          Jeremiah Crowley: that priest was a great Irishman who came here and, seeing the corruption of the

          Archdiocese in Chicago, that it was so corrupt, he left it and exposed it. And, of course, he later

          came to Christ and became a Bible‑believer, which they would call a Protestant. Protestants today

          don’t believe the Bible. Protestantism of today is an empty shell, it’s nothing. But, back then, in

          1912, they believed the Bible.

          Crowley, then, exposed many things, and one of the things he exposed, that helped me with this, was

          that he warned that the Jesuits, with their Knights of Columbus—which, he says, the Knights of

          Columbus, named after Columbus, who he tells us was a Spanish Jew and a pirate and a deflowerer

          of young girls—that Columbus was no Christian.

          He has a tremendous section in his book on Columbus. That the purpose of the Knights of

          Columbus was to fulfill Jesuitical politics, and part of those politics was to restore the temporal

          power of the Pope because, you remember, the Pope had lost that in 1870 and they wanted to get it

          back. And they got it back with Mussolini in 1929.

          Well, in the book that Crowley wrote in 1912, he says that Taft and Teddy Roosevelt were all

          cow‑towing to the Pope and the Cardinals of New York. And he said they’re going to use our

          military to restore the Pope’s temporal power around the world.

          And THAT was absolutely correct. That is American foreign policy. And the Council of Trent is the

          American foreign policy of today. That’s what’s going on in Serbia and Bosnia. It’s the Council of

          Trent—the Jesuits using the American Air Force to bomb those orthodox people to smithereens.

          But, that was Crowley’s great contribution.

          Next, Emmett McLaughlin wrote several books. He wrote The People’s Padre; he wrote Crime

          And Immorality In The Catholic Church, showing that Catholic nations are more lawless and

          more criminal than Protestant nations, and he proved it with statistics from the jails.

          Emmett McLaughlin also wrote another book called The Assassination Of Abraham Lincoln,

          where he, again, shows that Lincoln was assassinated by the Jesuits. So, Emmett McLaughlin came

          out of the Catholic Church. To my knowledge, he never was born again. He never was saved, but

          he did tell the truth. He married a nun, and lived a virtuous and honorable life after he left.

          The last one was, of course, Alberto Rivera, who was greatly hated by the Vatican because he was

          a very high Jesuit who came out and, in the late ’60s, about 1969, exposed the power of Rome in

          the ecumenical movement, that Rome controlled Kathryn Kuhlman; that Rome controlled Billy

          Graham; that Rome controlled, virtually, our government—Ronald Reagan.

          Reagan, when he took the Oath of Office, faced the obelisk, indicating that this country will

          ultimately have a concordat. So, Alberto Rivera converted to Christ, wonderfully, and he started a

          ministry called The Anti‑Christ Information Center, out of Los Angeles.

          They tried to kill him five times. A dentist jammed a needle up between his teeth, trying to give him

          an infection in the brain. When he passed out, about a year or so later, they couldn’t figure it out.

          Everybody was praying for him. And this was discovered when he went to another dentist. He had it


          He was pushed in front of a subway train. They tried five times to kill the man, and finally he died, I

          believe, of cancer, in a hospital, about three years ago. But these four wonderful, great, Catholic

          priests did their best to expose the power of Rome and its attempts to destroy our sovereign,

          Protestant, Bible‑believing nation. And so, to them, I dedicate it.

          Martin: What compelled you to write this book? What started it for you?

          Phelps: I was always taught to be a patriot, a patriot first and foremost—America first, and

          everybody else second. Later, when I came to know the Lord, at 17, I realized the Bible taught the

          same thing—that the Lord had instituted nations. The Lord never instituted world governments;

          that’s always the result of the Devil’s working.

          So, being a patriot and a nationalist—believing in national sovereignty—I was saved at 17, went into

          the Air Force, was garrisoned in a nuclear weapons area for three years in Germany, came back and

          started to go to Bible college.

          When I went to Bible college, the issue of the King James came up, as far as it being an archaic

          version. And that’s what I used and I had never given it a thought. Well, some were using NIV,

          some NASB, and I thought: "Well, maybe it’s just a modern version of what I have here." And I

          thought: "Well, if they want to use that, that’s fine, but I’ll use the King James."

          I found that the underlying Greek text for the King James, the Textus Receptus, was the Greek text

          of the Reformation. It represents 95% of the existing manuscripts that we have today. The Greek

          text that underlies all these other versions—there’s a Westcott and Hort Greek text, which I then

          discovered was really a conspiracy to adulterate the Textus Receptus in England, led by Brooke

          Foss Westcott and Anthony Hort, who were Maryolitors, Mary‑worshippers.

          Later, I found out that they had invited Cardinal Newman to sit in on the revision committee. Well,

          Cardinal Newman was a traitor to the Anglican Church, with his Track 90, which blew‑off the

          Anglican Church. He then left England and he was then a Cardinal by Pius IX.

          So, here we have Cardinal Newman, and E. B. Pusey, had been invited to sit on this revision

          committee, the end result being a Greek text that had been produced that was pro‑Jerome’s Latin

          Vulgate. Jerome’s Latin Vulgate is the basis for the Jesuit’s Reheims‑Douay text, that was put out

          in 1582, that was attempting to rival William Tyndale’s English text, which later became the King

          James Version of 1611.

          So now I see this awful Jesuit hand in my Bible college, attempting to deprive me of the Word of

          God, the authorized version of 1611, in it’s present edition of 1769. Now I thought "Well, here the

          Jesuits are, what else have they done?" And the next thing I was led to was the Lincoln assassination.

          And I can remember reading Burke McCarty’s The Suppressed Truth About The Assassination

          Of Abraham Lincoln, and weeping in the back room, when I was in college.

          Martin: For me, one of the most compelling portions of your book was the series of revelations

          about Lincoln. I was stunned by that.

          Phelps: That’s what they did. Remember, Lincoln was not going to go along with the 14th

          Amendment. He wanted those Southern states to re‑enter the Union on the same footing that they

          had left, which would have left us with a federal Republic as Washington had established it. This the

          Jesuits would not allow. It would be converted into an Empire. The states would be subordinate

          provinces to Washington. And the 14th Amendment would accomplish this with the reversion of

          citizenship. And Lincoln was re‑elected, and he was ready to end this, and that’s why they killed

          him. Kennedy was ready to implement his things; they would not let him be re‑elected.

          Martin: This is a total aside. Have you ever come across The Jefferson Bible?

          Phelps: The Jefferson Bible—and maybe you know this—is Matthew, Mark, and Luke. And

          Thomas Jefferson, being the Deist, being the pagan that he was, cut out all the supernatural from

          those three gospels. Jefferson was a Deist; he was involved with the French Freemasons who were

          involved in the French Revolution, and he was not here at the writing of our Protestant Constitution.

          So, the Lord put him out of the picture. Jefferson was just used to help with the

          Revolution—because the Lord does use the unGodly for good things. But Jefferson copied much of

          the Declaration Of Independence from the Mechlenburg Declaration, written by Calvinistic

          Presbyterians of North Carolina, when they seceded, when that county of Mechlenburg seceded

          from the Colonies.

          Martin: Never heard of it.

          Phelps: Yes, you’ll find it in Presbyterian writings. You can find it from D. James Kennedy; he has a

          thing on it. And Jefferson copied, at the end: "...and to this end we devote our lives, our fortunes,

          and our sacred honor."

          That was copied directly from the Mechlenburg Declaration. Jefferson was a plagiarist; he was a

          high Freemason; and he was out of here at the time of the writing of our Constitution. And the

          reason why the people of Virginia did elect him to office was because he was a State’s Rights man.

          He wanted limited powers in Washington, and that was a good thing. And when Jefferson was

          elected, he undid everything the king‑president John Adams did, with his Alien & Sedition Laws,

          because John Adams wanted to be a king, and Jefferson undid it, and Jefferson got two terms for


          Martin: I’m looking at some things that are a little further back now. The Secreta Monita. What’s

          the significance of that?

          Phelps: The Secret Instructions [excerpts at the end of this interview] are the handbooks that are

          given to the professed Jesuits, those under extreme oath. [The oath is presented in full at the end

          of this interview.] And it tells them how to conduct their plans, subjugating peoples and nations to

          the Jesuit General, and thus, to the temporal power of the Pope. It tells how they are to deceive. It

          shows how they are to swindle rich widows out of their fortunes, like they did with Astor’s second

          wife who survived the Titanic catastrophe. It shows their general approach on how to do things.

          This particular book cannot be known, and if it’s ever published, they will deny it’s existence. But

          when you see the works that the Jesuits have done, it’s in complete agreement with the Secreta


          There is a very interesting section in Edwin R. Sherwin’s book The Engineer Core Of Hell, written

          in 1886 I believe—another suppressed work. It’s usually in the archives of all the older libraries

          back here. And he shows how this Secreta Monita was discovered in South America by a Mason,

          and the Mason managed to escape to a lodge after being shot. He turned the Secreta Monita over

          to the lodge, and then these certain Freemasons saw the Secreta Monita. There are certain

          low‑level Freemasons who believe that the Jesuit Order is their enemy, so that’s why it was taken to

          the lodge and then published. But the high‑level Masons, of course, work with them. The Secreta

          Monita was discovered once that way. It was published in Holland. Then, in 1857, reprinted by


          Martin: Pascal’s Provincial Letters had a devastating impact on exposing the Jesuits. Why?

          Phelps: Blaise Pascal was a Huguenot, a French Calvinist. So here we have another fearless man.

          He doesn’t fear death; he’s going to tell the truth. So Blaise Pascal wrote a series of letters that were

          written to and from provincials, and he wrote them in a satirical manner, that of course excited that

          wonderful French mind. The French, of course, came to the conclusion that this was absolutely the

          truth, and then they moved to suppress the Jesuits again. But his Provincial Letters are considered

          a classic. Blaise Pascal also wrote some other great works, too.

          Martin: Pope Ganganelli‑Clement XIV abolished the Order entirely in 1773, and was murdered as

          a result.

          Phelps: Correct; he was poisoned.

          Martin: The Order was similarly abolished 39 times from different kingdoms throughout Europe. It

          doesn’t take a genius to figure out that something was terribly wrong with this group!

          Phelps: Right. Are all those people bigots? Are all those people brainwashed bigots and fanatical

          Protestants who abolished the Jesuit Order?

          You find the greatest resistance to the Jesuits in Catholic countries, by Catholic monarchs. And

          that’s why the Roman Catholic monarchs and nobility of today don’t dare resist them. The

          Kennedys won’t touch them. The monarchs of Europe won’t touch them. The Hapsburgs won’t

          touch them, because the Jesuits have vindicated their power in the French Revolution and the

          Napoleonic Wars—well, then they went to suppress the Jesuits again in Europe and they were, for

          the most part, kicked‑out of Europe in the 1800s. All the nations of Europe banned them. Germany

          banned them in 1872. And so, World War I and II, the second Thirty Years War, was pay‑back for

          this. And ever since then, nobody touches them.

          Pope Ganganelli abolished the Jesuits with a Papal Bull; the Jesuits call it a "brief". It is not a brief; it

          is in the Library of the Bulls, and it is called Dominic Ac Redemptor Nostor. That is the name of a

          bull. And when he abolished them, he abolished them forever—that they were not to talk about their

          abolition, that they were not to teach. He confiscated all of their wealth and land and property. For

          the most part, the Dominicans took it over, which is why the Dominicans had their penis cut off

          during the French Revolution. That’s what the Jacobins did to them. It was payback by the Jesuits:

          "You don’t dare take our property from us, boy. And you don’t dare take Inquisition from us."

          Jacobins killed nearly every Dominican in France.

          Martin: Why was the assassination of William of Orange so significant?

          Phelps: Williams of Orange was the father of religious liberty. William of Orange is the man who

          gave the Jews the freedom to come to Amsterdam. And the Jews called Amsterdam, "the new

          Jerusalem". William of Orange was a Catholic to begin with. Remember when he was in the forest,

          hunting with the king of France, and the king of France lay bare to him their plans to destroy all the

          Protestants in Holland, William kept silent. And that’s why he was called "William the taciturn" or

          "William the silent".

          So, he harbored all of this in his heart, and he went back to Holland determined that he would

          deliver the Calvinists and the Protestants from this annihilation. William went to Germany with his

          German wife, and he, according to Motley in his The Dutch Republic, raised an army of Germans

          and they did not succeed in liberating Holland. And so, it was the Dutch themselves who joined

          William of Orange in an attempt to liberate the country, which they ultimately did as the "wild

          beggars of the sea".

          So, William was a great inspiration. He delivered flight from the seige of the fanatical Roman

          Catholic Spanish, lead by the Jesuits, when the Lord providentially delivered and sent a strong wind

          over the dikes, and flooded the whole area, and flooded the Spanish soldiers.

          And then, after that happened, He sent another strong West wind and blew the water back over the

          dikes. This is a historical fact! Why don’t we hear this in history? For the same reason we don’t hear

          when Louis XIV brought his army across the river into Holland to kill all those Dutch, in 1672, right

          around there, that the river, right where the army was crossing, thawed out, and the whole French

          army went to the bottom of the river, as a result of the prayers of those Protestants of Holland.

          We’re not taught that either!

          The assassination of William of Orange was probably the second most significant act of Jesuit

          dominance, next to the murder of Coligny at St. Bartholomew’s Massacre. Because it was first St.

          Bartholomew’s massacre, and then the murder of William of Orange. And, of course, William of

          Orange was shot by a Jesuit‑controlled assassin, Balthazar Girard, in his own house. And the last

          words of William, of course, were: "God be merciful to these poor people."

          Martin: What is the Royal Institute of International Affairs?

          Phelps: The Royal Institute of International Affairs is the same as the American Council on Foreign

          Relations (CFR). The Royal Institute runs England and the British Empire, what was once the

          extension of the British, just as the CFR runs our country. They’re sister organizations.

          Martin: Where are they based?

          Phelps: They’re based in London.

          Martin: And who is their head; do you know?

          Phelps: I don’t know right now. The John Birch Society wrote a lot about that, and they did expose

          the CFR and the Royal Institute of International Affairs. Allan Stang has written a lot about that.

          Martin: What was the "Gunpowder Plot" of 1605?

          Phelps: The Gunpowder Plot of 1605 was the Jesuits attempt to destroy what William Howitt—and

          Howitt was the great writer who wrote A Popular History Of Priestcraft, 1835—he said it was a

          Jesuit attempt to destroy our Great King Solomon, King James I, along with the entire Protestant

          Parliament. Because remember, Elizabeth I had expelled the Jesuits from her empire, and if they

          were ever caught they were to be drawn and quartered.

          After she died, the conspiracy went on there that went on with William Cecil. They named Mary

          Queen of Scott’s son as the King of England, rather than Elizabeth’s son, because Elizabeth had a

          son who was the Earl of South Hampton, Wriothesley, and that was the son of Edward Devere,

          who we know as William Shakespeare.

          There was no William Shakespeare. The man was Edward Devere. He ran the Globe Theater. He

          was the Lord Great Chamberlain to Queen Elizabeth, and he secretly had a son who was the Third

          Earl of South Hampton. He was the rightful heir to the thrown, not King James VI of Scotland.

          You can find all this documented in two great works: the first is called Shakespeare Identified and

          the author is Looney. The explosion of that book is called This Star Of England, written by Carlton

          and Dorothy Ogborn, in 1952, and it’s a 1200‑page work, and in it they explain all the plays of

          Shakespeare, and that they are, in the words of Hamlet: "A brief abstract and chronicle of the times."

          Nothing but history.

          And then there’s another book, Wasn’t Shakespeare Someone Else?, written by Tweeny, and in

          that book he evaluates the 150 sonnets. In those sonnets Edward Devere put his name: Vere or

          Uvre or Vere—he puts his name in acrostics throughout all the sonnets. And the last couple sonnets

          he puts his name in double acrostics. It’s amazing, showing that he wrote the sonnets.

          Martin: Why were the Jesuits so upset about the Edict of Nantes, and what was it’s significance?

          Phelps: Ok, the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes—it can be spelled Nantes or Nantz. Anyway,

          the Edict of Nantes was put forward by King Henry IV. King Henry IV was a Roman Catholic, but

          he converted to Protestantism and he became a Huguenot. But he was not allowed to take the

          throne of France until he renounced his Protestantism. So, for the sake of the kingdom, he

          renounced his Protestantism, and in 1610, I believe, issued forth the Edict of Nantes.

          The Edict of Nantes guaranteed religious freedom to all the French. That included the Protestant,

          Calvinist, Huguenots, which of course included those who would have followed Admiral Coligny,

          who the Jesuits murdered with that she‑wolf, Catherine de Medici. With the Edict of Nantes we

          have religious liberty in France. This cannot be. France is a cornerstone of Jesuit power, so it cannot

          allow this to be in place. The Council of Trent condemns it, because it’s freedom of conscience.

          So, after they murder Henry IV with Ravaillac, when they stabbed him through his heart, according

          to Sully in his memoirs, they murdered Henry IV for this, and also for attempting to reinforce the

          Dutch. They then, in 1685—when the Beatles are singing about the "Sun King" in their "white"

          album, they’re singing about Louis XIV. And that’s telling you that the Beatles are Jesuit‑controlled.

          The Sun King, Louis XIV who reigned, who rules over France for, I believe, 60 years, he, because

          of his Jesuit confessor, Pere La Chaise, revokes the Edict of Nantes, and with that, no more religious

          freedom in France.

          And then they sent their French dragons out and beheaded and killed every Huguenot they could

          find, driving 500,000 Frenchmen out of the country, the wealth of France, the manhood of France,

          all left for Holland and England. That destroyed France. From then on, France became a nothing


          The French Revolution could never have happened had not the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes

          taken place. Because now, there’s no Bible in France. And to this day, the French have never

          published a French version of the Textus Receptus. Number one, all French Bibles have been

          produced in foreign countries, when they’ve been translated from the Greek Textus Receptus into

          French; France has never done it. That shows the Jesuit power over France to this day.

          And the French have probably been the most manly, the strongest, the most gracious, the most

          determined in kicking the Jesuits out of their country. They’ve kicked them out, to my knowledge,

          three times—and again, they come back, foment wars, kill off the rulers, etc. Drive Eugene Sue into

          exile; he dies of a broken heart. Drive Calvin into exile; he can never return to France. All the great

          Frenchmen are driven into exile.

          So we have, as American patriots, we have a great camaraderie for the French. They helped us in

          our American Revolution. And why did they help us? Because they’ve been expelled from France.

          Why did Spain help us? Why did they help finance our Revolution? The Jesuits had been expelled

          from Spain. So payback came for Spain and France, for helping this heretic, Protestant nation come

          into existence, with the Napoleonic Wars, when they killed Louis XVI and drove the Bubons from

          the Spanish thrown. That was payback.

          Martin: For 30 years of war, from 1618‑1648, you state that the Jesuits, through Ferdinand II,

          killed‑off 10 million people. That’s quite a statement.

          Phelps: That statement comes from Ridpath’s History Of The World, published in 1899. And that

          is his encyclopedia of his history of the world. That was common knowledge in 1899. The 30 Years

          War was hell on Earth for Europe. Two‑thirds of Germany was brought back to Rome. It was

          leveled, plundered, and destroyed.

          Wallenstein and Tilly were the fanatical Roman Catholic generals who raped, pillaged, and plundered

          everything in their path. But the Lord raised up certain great generals like Gustavus Adolphus from

          Sweden. He was called the "Snow King" and he was the one who ultimately, he paved the way for

          the victory of the 30 Years War.

          But without that Protestant victory of the 30 Years War, the peace of Westphalia, which the Pope

          was not invited to, there would have been no modern era as we know it today. According to any

          historian, the modern era begins in 1648. That is when the 80 Year War in Holland ended with

          Spain. That is when the 30 Years War ended with Ferdinand II and the Protestants of Germany, and

          Sweden, and so‑on.

          1648 is the wonderful year in which the Modern Era began, when inventors could go to Germany

          and say: "Well, you know, maybe the Earth isn’t flat." And maybe Leeuwenhoek could invent the

          microscope in Holland, and now, later on, James Clerk Maxwell, who was a Bible‑believing,

          Protestant Presbyterian, he can write his treatise called Electricity And Magnetism, the father of

          what we know today about electricity and magnetism. Now, science can blossom and bloom. Now

          we can have literature. Now we can have great writers, like Sir Walter Scott, who writes great

          works like Ivanhoe and Peveril Of The Peak. Now we can have Charles Dickens, another

          Protestant, who writes A Tale Of Two Cities, one of London and the other of Rome. We have

          great literature surfacing as a result of the Modern Era.

          But the Jesuits, in their determination to destroy the Reformation and the Modern Era and bring us

          back to the Dark Ages, seek to reverse the effects of the Modern Era, and thus, what was brought

          about by the 30 Years War. And to know the 30 Years War is to understand the second 30 Years

          War, which started in 1914 and ended in 1945.

          Martin: In 1639, the Jesuits were also expelled from Japan. Apparently the Jesuits never forgot


          Phelps: They never forgot it. For over 200 years they have been expelled. And remember the

          words of Lincoln: "The Jesuits never forget nor forsake."

          So, payback time was coming for Japan. The Emperor had expelled them, so that dynasty was

          targeted. Ultimately, the Emperor would be destroyed or his dynasty would end. And so payback

          time was the mass fire‑bombings by the American Air Force, financed by the Jesuits, as the Jesuits

          own Lockheed, Boeing, McDonald‑Douglas, and Grumman, and they used their B‑29 to firebomb

          Japan to smithereens. You can get the fact that the Jesuits control these aircraft companies from

          Avro Manhattan’s The Vatican Billions.

          Martin: I’m trying to get a little more current here, but some of this older stuff is also so fascinating,

          I’m going back and forth here. Our readers are just going to have to be a little flexible in their

          reading. (laughter)

          Phelps: Right.

          Martin: In 1649 there was the Irish Massacre. What was it, and let’s discuss the hatred between

          the Protestants and Catholics in Ireland, as a result of the Irish Massacre.

          Phelps: Ok. Of course, we believe in freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, freedom of the

          press. That is an outgrowth of Protestantism, because all Protestants were defending their right to

          believe the Bible in the face of Rome’s expectations to believe the priests and the decrees of the


          Many of the Irish were born‑again. They came to know the Lord. Much preaching was done up

          there. In fact, Patrick, of St. Patrick’s Day, was no Catholic. He was a Protestant. And so, he was a

          great Protestant preacher of Ireland, and many, many Irish came to know the Lord. And their point

          of location was primarily in the North, in Northern Ireland, which today is Ulster, Belfast, etc.

          Well, the Jesuits, in fulfilling their Bloody Oath that we are making and waging relentless war on all

          Protestants, and all political liberals, they hatched‑out the plot to kill all the Irish Protestants in

          Ireland with the O’Neil family. And I wonder if that O’Neil family was related to Tip O’Neil?

          In 1641, the massacre began, carried out by Roman Catholic nobles and the mobs in Ireland. When

          they started that massacre, it continued from 1641 to 1649. The massacre ended when they killed

          150,000, but they still taught the Catholic children to kill the Protestant children. So, Irish Protestants

          were being massacred, enmasse, for 8 years.

          This is NEVER told whenever anybody is ever talking about Oliver Cromwell, when Cromwell

          came up with his Puritan Army and ended that, when he took Drogheda, and killed every living thing

          in Drogheda—men, women, children, animal, everything.

          Ones say: "Oh, the beast Oliver Cromwell. Look what he did to Drogheda!" What about those

          beasts killing those Irish Protestants for 8 years, bashing out the brains of the little babies, smashing

          them up against the walls like they did, led by the priests?

          This was just like they did in Croatia with the Serbs in World War II, when they gouged‑out the

          eyes of all the Serbians, where one particular priest had 23 kilos worth of eyes. They were doing the

          same thing to the Irish Protestants.

          So, when Cromwell came up, and it was vengeance for the Irish Massacre, and the Irish Massacre

          was NOT started by the Protestants, it was started by the Jesuits according to Fox’s Book Of

          Martyrs. And you can find the whole narration there, which was a classic that all Englishmen used to

          read with the King James Bible.

          Martin: Do you believe that Great Britain is truly Protestant‑controlled, Jewish‑controlled, or


          Phelps: Jesuit‑controlled.

          Martin: Why?

          Phelps: Well, let’s go back. To understand today we have to go back to the Napoleonic Wars.

          When Napoleon came to power, he was brought to power in Corsica. When the Jesuits were

          suppressed, one of their main outposts during their suppression was the Isle of Corsica. The Jesuits,

          remember, had finished the High Rites of Freemasonry with Frederick the Great, and then used their

          French Freemason Napoleon to execute their vengeance.

          However, the Jesuits were also protected during their suppression in England. A very wealthy

          landowner—and you can find this in Ridpath’s History Of The World—gave his wonderful,

          beautiful estate Stonyhurst to the Jesuit Order. And from then on, the Jesuits received protection by

          King George III, and you will find that in Mitchell’s The Jesuits. Mitchell is an English historian.

          Ok, so the Jesuits are now protected by King George III. Well, they’re going to uphold his throne.

          The Jesuits use the English army and navy in the resistance of Napoleon, as both sides are

          controlled, so that the Jesuits can control the outcome.

          The end result is that, after Napoleon accomplishes everything that the Jesuits want him to do—the

          expulsion of the Knights of Malta, the driving of the Roman Catholics from their throne, imprisoning

          the Pope for 5 years, etc.—Napoleon is then ordered to abandon his army in the snows of Russia,

          killing all of those French and German patriots, so that there are very few patriots left in Europe to

          resist the tyranny coming in France with Louis XVIII, who the Jesuits will put back on the throne.

          Louis XVIII was in exile, in England, in King George’s own parlor, waiting for the end of the

          Napoleonic Wars. So, the Jesuits put Louis XVIII back on the throne. He readmitted the Jesuits,

          started the Inquisition, just like they did with Ferdinand VII when they restored him to power in

          Spain after the Napoleonic Wars.

          And where do these monarchs get their protection? From King George III. King George was used

          by the Jesuits to restore their power in Europe, after the Napoleonic Wars, after they punished the

          Pope and the monarchs.

          So, it’s been, really, from 1795, right around there, that the Jesuits have controlled England. They’ve

          controlled the Knights, they’ve controlled the King. All throughout the 18th century, now, England

          will never go to war with France again. England will side with the French during the Crimean War.

          England will be on the side of the French during World Wars I & II. England and France are

          together, both controlled by the Jesuits—even though France is predominantly a Catholic country,

          and when England was, at least on it’s face, a Protestant country. Why should both be working

          together, both having the same foreign policy. Why? Because the Jesuits control both countries.

          When Rothschild sent that note, via Roost, into London, saying that Napolean had won the Battle of

          Waterloo, that’s when the stocks plummeted, and all the Jesuits bought all the stocks up, there in

          London, and got control of the Bank of England. The Jesuits then made London their commercial

          center of the world, and Rome their religious center, aiming that one day Jerusalem would be both.

          So now the Jesuits are in control of England. After the Napoleonic Wars, we have the Congress of

          Vienna in 1815, and guess who’s there? All the representatives of King George. England is

          represented at the Congress of Vienna, the settlement after the Napoleonic Wars. If England was

          truly Protestant, they would have never went there. Now the Jesuits are in control of England

          throughout the 1800s, and they use the British Empire to further the power of the Pope. England has

          been under Rome’s control, the Pope’s control, since, at the very latest, 1850. And I say since


          Martin: Let’s talk about Elizabeth II.

          Phelps: Elizabeth II is a wicked, evil queen. She is the head of the Knights of Malta in England. She

          curtsies to the Lord Mayor in Old London, and she goes and visits the Jesuits of Stonyhurst and

          kisses their derrières. She has complete allegiance to the Jesuits of Stonyhurst, and will do anything

          they tell her to do, or they’ll get rid of her just like they got rid of all the rest of the monarchs in


          Martin: So you see her as a pawn.

          Phelps: She’s just a pawn, sure. She’s nothing. Remember, White men rule the world. Evil, White,

          sodomite, homosexual men rule the world, and these are the High Jesuits, with their High Knights of

          Malta and High Freemasons, they rule. And these women who are involved are just pawns in their

          game, like the queen, the queen of Holland, just to give the appearance that these nations have a

          sovereign monarch, when in fact, they’re just tools.

          England has done some awful, terrible things, but all of the things that they have done increase and

          benefit the Jesuit Order. They never resisted Napoleon III. Napoleon III was a fanatical Roman

          Catholic Freemason, subject to the Jesuits, who was the King of France for 18 years, second

          Empire. England never resisted him. They fought with him in the Crimean War. And Napoleon III

          dedicated all of his ships to the Virgin Mary. England has been on the side of the Jesuits since 1815,

          no later. So, that means that the British Secret Service is totally working for Rome, all throughout the


          Martin: How did the Jesuits regain control of the Vatican in 1814?

          Phelps: Remember that they were in control of Napoleon. A Jesuit by the name of Abbie

          Sieyes—you can find him, again, in Ridpath’s History Of The World—Abbie Sieyes was a

          Jesuit‑trained individual, and I believe he was a Jesuit. He was on the Directory, and he was also on

          the Consulate; he was the second counsel. Napoleon was the first; he was the second. He was the

          advisor and director of Napoleon. Abbie Sieyes, being the Jesuit that he was, ordered Napoleon to

          imprison the Pope for 5 years, and he did! So, the Pope was in prison for 5 years until 1814, when

          he restored the Jesuit Order. The Pope, prior to that, was killed. They brought him over the

          mountains of the Alps, and he died through that debacle.

          The Jesuits thoroughly humiliated the papacy. They used their French soldiers to overturn St. Peter’s

          chair, and they found, written in Arabic: "There is no other God but Allah, and Mohammed is his

          prophet." And THAT is what is under St. Peter’s chair today. That was stolen from some kalif

          during the Crusades.

          So, they completely intimidated the Pope and showed their power. The Pope then restored them

          with a Papal Bull, calling upon the vengeance of the Apostles Peter and Paul, blah, blah, blah, for

          anyone who would ever suppress the Jesuit Order ever again. When the Jesuits were "reinstalled" in

          all their power, that’s when they were in control of the Pope, and from then on they have been.

          Any Pope who resists them gets punished or murdered. And all the Popes know it. When Pius IX

          wanted a liberal constitution for the Italian people in 1849, all of the Italians were delighted. Here is a

          liberal Pope; he’s going to give us constitutional rights; we’re going to have a constitution.

          The Jesuits raised up a revolution with Garibaldi and their Freemasons, and drove Pius IX from his

          throne. He had to stay in Gaeta for about a year. When he returned to Rome, under the protection

          of Napoleon III’s French army—actually, it was the republic’s army that would later be his "army of

          the empire"—but they returned with a French army, protecting the Pope, he became the most

          fanatical absolutist, pursuant to the wishes of the Jesuits.

          So, Piux IX was punished. But the Popes who don’t obey, like, what was it, In God’s Name, the

          Pope who was murdered after 33 days, when he didn’t go along with the Jesuit Order, they ended

          his life.

          [Editor’s note: Eric is here referring to the very well researched and deeply insightful 1984

          Bantam Books gem (that’s very hard to find, for "some" reason!) by David A. Yallop, called In

          God’s Name, which details the author’s thorough investigation into the murder of Pope John

          Paul I the night of September 28‑29, 1978 after John Paul had been digging into the massive

          web of corruption surrounding the Vatican Bank. For all of you who look for clues, note well

          the choosing of day 33 since his election for the execution of the murder.]

          When you steal from the Vatican, like the Cardinal did at the PII Lodge, they killed him (Kalvi), and

          they hanged the other guy, beginning with the admiralty jurisdiction, at their first bridge of the sea. So

          they have their assassins everywhere to carry out orders. They are machines. They are the perfect

          "Manchurian Candidates" and they will kill popes, cardinals, presidents, kings, and kaisers, to

          maintain Jesuit power. They are utterly ruthless—just like they said they would be in the Protocols:

          "We are merciless."

          Martin: As you look around the world today, who do you see opposing them?

          Phelps: It’s interesting. I have a friend who makes quite a few trips to Haiti. I told her about the

          Jesuits. She got to questioning a few people, and she found that Papa Doc had expelled the Jesuits

          from Haiti.

          Martin: No kidding?

          Phelps: That’s right. Isn’t it interesting, his son was also driven from power and the guy put in his

          place, I believe it was Aristide, is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and a complete

          pawn of the Pope and the Jesuit Order—for which reason, when those Haitians wanted to drive

          Aristide from his power, this filthy, Jesuit‑controlled government in Washington put an embargo

          against Haiti, wrecking the country. See how the U.S. government uses its military, political, and

          financial power to maintain the temporal power of the Pope? And that’s not only in Haiti; it’s

          everywhere. Russia is another example.

          Martin: Don’t you see, coming up soon in Israel, some of these powers coming head‑to‑head over

          the rebuilding of Solomon’s Temple? Don’t you see some conflicts with the powers that be?

          Phelps: Which powers are you talking about?

          Martin: I don’t know; there seem to be so many involved.

          Phelps: We first have to remember the creation of the nation of Israel. World War I prepared the

          land for the people. World War II prepared the people for the land. World War III, the battle of

          Armageddon, will "prepare the people for their messiah"—with national repentance and realizing that

          "Jesus, the messiah, is the savior and will deliver them".

          The present government of Israel was set up by the High Masonic Rothschild‑controlled Jews, and

          Rothschild has had an alliance with the Jesuit General since 1876, with Adam Weishaupt. This is the

          very same Rothschild powers who betrayed the Jews into the hands of the Nazis, killing many Jews

          all throughout Europe, betraying their own Jewish people. These are the very same powers who run

          the nation of Israel today.

          I read a very interesting paragraph by Mark Lane in his book Plausible Denial when he tells about

          a Jew in Israel who wrote about certain criminal Jews, involved with the Nazis, who are now with

          the Mossad, something along those lines. The man who wrote the article was gunned‑down in front

          of his home.

          So, Rome controls the Israeli government. It controls the Israeli government through the Mossad.

          Who trained the Mossad? Reinhard Gehlen.

          We find that fact in Loftus’ work The Secret War Against The Jews in most telling, telling detail.

          So what do we have? We have high‑level treason and betrayal of the Jewish race; that is there in

          Israel today, by their own leaders, who are loyal to Rome and the Jesuit Order. And to show this,

          we have a great big Rockefeller edifice in Jerusalem; we have an ophthalmology center in Jerusalem

          run by the Knights of Malta. There’s nothing but Knights of Malta, high‑level Freemasonry, and the

          Jesuit Order running all of Israel.

          So what’s going to happen, I believe, with the Dome of the Rock is, that has got to be

          removed—somehow, someway. It’s on the Temple site; it has to be removed.

          If I was the Jesuit General, I would make— somehow, someway—American bombers do it.

          Because I want to create universal hatred for this nation of the United States, because in the United

          States there are more Protestants and more Jews than any country in the world, and "we’ve" got to

          kill all those people. So what better way than to create a Jihad, a Moslem fanatical attack against the

          United States, coupled with a Chinese invasion from the East. That’s what I think is going to happen.

          The Jews are not going to destroy that Temple site because, if they do, Rome will destroy their

          efforts of rebuilding the Temple.

          Because, if Moslems control all of Jerusalem, that Temple will never be rebuilt. It has to stay in

          Jewish hands—because the Jews, and rightfully so, need their own homeland. They’re entitled to the

          nation. And they haven’t had their own Temple of worship. They are rightfully entitled to that.

          But what they don’t know is that they are being used by the Jesuits to rebuild their own Temple, that

          they would love to have rebuilt, for the Pope, so he can sit there and be the man of sin, the

          Anti‑Christ of the Book of Daniel, Chapter 9. That’s what I see coming for Israel.

          The assassination of Rabin? He wanted to give away too much. He probably wanted to give away

          some of Jerusalem. The Jesuits will never allow that. So, his bodyguards just step aside and the

          Mossad kills him. And nothing more is ever heard.

          Rome’s—the Jesuit General’s—international intelligence community carries out all high‑level

          assassinations, kills anybody who’s against their program. And Cromwell knew this, back in his day,

          and that’s why he protected himself—160 of his finest "ironsides" as his bodyguards, and no one got

          to him.

          So anybody who’s going to resist the Jesuit Order has to be doing it as a matter of a "religious"

          conviction—being protected by God and good men who are loyal to Him. If it’s simply political,

          with a hired Secret Service, you can forget it.

          Martin: Let’s go back to St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York. Why is that so significant? You talk

          about the American Pope. Again, that person is?

          Phelps: Cardinal O’Connor.

          Martin: Now, what is his role in the United States?

          Phelps: Ok, remember first that this title "American Pope" was gotten from Conney’s work. John

          Conney wrote The American Pope, I believe in 1988, so a lot of this information is from that


          The American Pope is the Cardinal of New York. He is the most powerful Cardinal in the United

          States. He is what’s called "the military vicar".

          The military vicar is in command of all of the military orders within the United States, they being the

          Knights of Malta and the Knights of Columbus. He is also in command, and privately, of "the

          Commission" because Cardinal Spellman was an intimate of Joe Kennedy, and Joe Kennedy was an

          intimate of Frank Costello.

          We also see that it was Cardinal Spellman who enabled "Lucky" Luciano to be released from the

          prison in New York, to return to Italy in 1946. And this was because of the Luciano Project that I

          mentioned in my book. But Lucky Luciano, his Mafia on the East Coast, worked in conjunction with

          the U.S. Navy, supposedly to protect the Eastern seaboard from German U‑boat attack.

          So, as payback? Cardinal Spellman releases Lucky Luciano—that filthy, wicked, evil, heartless

          spiritual bastard, who compelled young girls into prostitution, probably one of the cruelest things any

          man could do. He is released and sent back to Rome.

          When the Kennedy assassination comes up, the Cardinal needs a favor. After all, he’s released

          Luciano. So now the Mafia gets to participate: Jack Ruby, Carlos Marcello, Santos Trafficante, all

          the High Dons participate. Why? Because that Cardinal in New York controls the Commission.

          And that Commission, you know what it controls? All of the trucking, all the supermarkets, it’s

          power is beyond our wildest imagination, second only to the Knights of Malta. And, of course, they

          all control the Federal Reserve Bank.

          The Cardinal controls the Federal Reserve Bank through the Council on Foreign Relations. The

          Council on Foreign Relations belongs to the Cardinal. Spellman was not a member of it, during his

          day, but two of the most powerful members were Knights of Malta: Henry Luce and J. Peter Grace,

          and also William F. Buckley, to this day. William F. Buckley is indeed one of my enemies, because I

          name him, and he is a powerful multi‑billionaire who participated in the Kennedy assassination, just

          like Iacocca, another Knight. Both of those men are subject to Cardinal O’Connor and will do

          ANYTHING he says.

          Martin: Do you know who is head of the Knights of Malta, now?

          Phelps: Yes; his name is Flynn. He took over when Grace died in ’93. Flynn is head of the

          American branch. The head of the worldwide branch, the international Knights of Malta, is Andrew

          Bertie; he’s an Englishman. And you can find that in the National Catholic Reporter, when you go

          after their various articles on the Knights of Malta.

          Martin: Do the Knights of Malta actually meet, actually hold meetings with the Jesuits?

          Phelps: Oh, sure. Remember that Alexander Haig is a powerful Knight of Malta. His brother is a


          So, sure they have meetings. The High Knights of Malta, who meet in their palace on Aventin Hill, in

          Rome, of course, meet with the Jesuit General, and so on. And Count von Hoensbroech, who was a

          German Noble who became a Jesuit for 14 years—he wrote a two‑volume work called Fourteen

          Years A Jesuit. His father was a Knight of Malta. Yes, the Jesuits work in conjunction and have

          regular meetings with the Knights of Malta.

          The Knights control the money. The Knights control the banks. They control the Bank of Canada,

          Federal Reserve Bank, Bank of England; they control the banking. They were the ones who were

          behind the sinking of the Titanic, with the creation of the White Star Line, J.P. Morgan and others.

          Martin: Alan Greenspan, then, would be?

          Phelps: Alan Greenspan is a Jew, probably a Freemason, because he is the leader of the Temple

          called the "Federal Reserve Bank" and they always put Jews in the forefront—so that they can

          blame all of what they do on the Jewish race in this country, to create an anti‑Semitism everywhere,

          just like Charles Coughlin, the radio Jesuit priest of the ’30s did.

          Greenspan, Bloomenthal, Warburg, and all those Jews need to be publicly rebuked, because they

          are creating the mass genocide of the Jewish race in the United States. The Jews are being blamed

          right now for the foreign policy in Bosnia. Madeline Albright—she’s a Jew—they’re blaming her for

          what’s going on in Serbia. I’ve got a good Serbian friend who blames her. I said she’s just a pawn

          of the Jesuit CFR. Don’t blame the Jewish people. It’s these Jewish "pawns" who are loyal to the

          Pope and the Jesuits who are doing this.

          The Zionists—the Jesuits are the Great Zionists. They control all of the historical High

          Zionists—Theodor Herzl, David Ben‑Gurion, Golda Meir. Zionism is a Masonic term,

          coined by the Jesuits. They are the rulers; they are the Protocols; they are the Elders of

          Zion. So the Zionists are, indeed, evil and wicked; but they are controlled by Rome. The

          Jews are not all Zionists.

          I remember when I went to Jerusalem and Israel in 1976, and a lady said to this particular man that I

          had met: "You’re more of a Zionist than we are!" And I thought: "What does that mean? I don’t

          understand that."

          I only later understood why Yasser Arafat says he doesn’t hate the Jews; he can’t stand the Zionists.

          And I’m thinking: "What’s the difference?" I, later, learned that there is a great difference between

          those Zionists and the other Jews. The Orthodox Jews can’t stand the Zionists.

          So what’s the difference? The Zionists are socialist communists, controlled by Rome. They are

          atheists, just like the Jesuits, although they’re being used to rebuild the nation of Israel. They are the

          enemies of the Jewish people, per se.

          There’s no conflict going on in the Middle East. There’s no conflict going on with the Arab nations.

          All of the Arab nations are under the command of Masonic kings or iotollas. Saddam Hussein is no

          enemy of George Bush; they’re both brothers, brothers of the lodge. That whole thing was set up to

          kill off a whole bunch of Arabs for the protection of the Zionist state of Israel.

          Martin: Well, Bush and Saddam were business partners. We’ve covered that in recent past issues

          of our newspaper.

          Phelps: Sure. That’s why they never killed Saddam. They could have easily killed him. The CIA can

          kill anybody they want to. They could have easily killed Saddam and got out. They could use their

          own Arab agents in there. Saddam was a very important tool.

          Martin: Still is.

          Phelps: Still is, sure. They keep the Arab peoples and nations at bay by controlling them through

          their leaders. Or, when they start to get out of control in their Moslem fanaticism, they then foment a

          war and kill off a whole bunch of them. Make sense?

          Martin: There was a statement you made in your book about the Jesuits controlling the Nation of

          Islam, and that was almost a surprising statement to read. I would think that someone like Louis

          Farrakhan would be pretty adamant.

          Phelps: Yeah, he would hate me for that one. Well, let’s think a little bit here:

          Chicago is ruled by the Archbishop of Chicago, a Cardinal. It was Cody; I don’t know who it is

          now. Do you think anything goes down in Chicago without the Cardinal’s approval?

          Where was the Nation of Islam founded? Chicago.

          Where is Louis Farrakhan’s—that murderer’s—mansion? Chicago. He lives like a king.

          What does he hand out? He hands out the Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion to all of

          deluded Black Nation of Islam people, so that they can hate the Jews, just like the Klu Klux Klan.

          That’s right. Those three little tidbits, right there, prove that the Nation of Islam is totally

          under Jesuit control. They are going to be used to foment anarchy and agitation, because

          they have an army called "the fruit of Islam", and they have millions of rounds stored in all

          the major cities—guns stored everywhere, so that they can start the race war. And when

          that happens, you see, then the brothers in Washington can implement Martial Law,

          suspend the Constitution, and now the Jesuits have what they want.

          So, they use these Blacks in the North, who hate the White people, for their own

          destruction, for the destruction of the Black people themselves. And the Nation of Islam is

          part of that.

          When I was in the Air Force, and in jail for about 10‑15 days, about 10 years ago, the Nation of

          Islam was paramount, or tried to be paramount, there. All the Blacks in jail become Moslems. It’s a

          "hate the White man" religion. Every White man is a White, blue‑eyed Devil. And they’re

          playing—the Zodiac killer, back in California many years ago, all Moslems. So it’s a "hate the White

          man" religion, designed to foment agitation and unrest.

          Martin Lucifer King was intimately involved with them. The only problem is, Malcolm X got on to it.

          He realized he was being used and he separated from it. Then he ceased to be an agitator.

          Martin: Malcolm X was way ahead of his time.

          Phelps: Yeah. Malcolm X was a good guy.

          Martin: Yes, he was.

          Phelps: Malcolm X, even though he was used by the Jesuits, because he hated the King James

          Bible, he was a great agitator. When he went to Mecca, he changed.

          Martin: Yes, he did.

          Phelps: And when he came back, he stopped being an agitator. He stopped hating the White man.

          He started to set up the African‑American Movement. And as a result, he was assassinated by the

          high leaders of the FBI and the Nation of Islam.

          And what do they both have in common? High‑level Shriner Freemasonry.

          And so, we have the Masons in control of the Nation of Islam and the Klu Klux Klan—one agitating

          Blacks, and the other agitating Whites, to the glory of the Jesuit Order. The other Civil Rights

          Movement had the Jesuits behind that—with LaFarge. Jesuit LeFarge was a great mover and shaker

          of the Civil Rights Movements. And that agitation resulted in amalgamation, race‑mixing, the

          destruction of a White race and a Black race, producing a nation of hybrids that cannot maintain free


          That is what they proposed to do in the first Reconstruction, but it failed; so they succeeded in the

          second Reconstruction in the ’60s. The Jesuits are masters of the races. They know their strengths

          and their weaknesses.

          The only race who successfully resisted the Jesuit Order is the White, Anglo‑Celtic, Saxon race,

          with a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other. And so they’ve got to take the Bible away, they’ve

          got to take the gun away, and they’ve got to destroy that race. And that’s what they are essentially

          doing here. I know that’s a racist statement, but I’m sorry, it’s just the way it is. That’s history, and

          that’s what they’re doing.

                                       The "Black" Pope

                         Count Hans Kolvenbach—The Jesuit’s General

                                              Pt. 2



           Martin: The relationship between Communism and Freemasonry. Where do the Jesuits fit into

           Communism and Freemasonry?

           Phelps: Let’s, first of all, look at the relationship of Jesuitism to Communism. The Jesuits perfected

           the tenets of Communism on their reductions in Paraguay, for 150 years, from 1600‑1750.

           Martin: What is a reduction?

           Phelps: A reduction is a commune. In Israel they would call it a kibbutz. In Joseph Stalin’s Russia

           they would call it a commune. In New York they call it a village. In France, Paris, they called it a

           commune. It’s communal living where everybody is equal in their finances, in the labors; you have

           no great, no small, no rich, no poor—everybody is small, and everybody is poor, and everybody is

           controlled by a dictator. That’s the essence of Communism.

           The Jesuits, on the reductions in Paraguay, which were the communes, had a central bank, and it

           was "each according to their ability and each according to their need". And so, the Guarani Indians

           that were the subjects—and there were some 200,000 of these South American Indian natives who

           were slaves of the Jesuits, putting their goods into world commerce and trade. They were living

           under the tenets of Communism, perfected by the Jesuits, as outlined in Plato’s Republic and Sir

           Thomas Moore’s Utopia. The Jesuits perfected it on their reductions.

           With that, they then introduced Communism in 1848 through Karl Marx. They tutored him in the

           British Museum, according to Alberto Rivera, an ex‑Jesuit.

           So Marx, the Jewish Freemason, was to be the one to put forward this Communism for the

           world, so that Communism would look like a Jewish brain‑child, so that Communism could

           be blamed on the Jews. Well, what’s not told is that the Jews involved in the implementing

           of Communism were Masonic Jews. Karl Marx was a 33rd‑degree Freemason, a

           worshipper of Lucifer, whose father wanted nothing to do with him, because his father was

           a Baptist preacher.

           Jewish Freemasonry, controlled by the Jesuits, implemented Communism in Russia. Lenin, the

           half‑Jew, was a Freemason. That civil war that took place from 1917‑1922, for 5 years, was given

           the appearance that it was primarily Yiddish. I mean, they’re on the streets of Russia talking

           Yiddish; they had Yiddish signs; and it was wanted to give the impression to the world that this

           revolution was of Jewish origin.

           For 10 years after the revolution, the Jews faired very well, but in 1922, Joseph Stalin, that great

           Jew‑hater, who was educated by Jesuits in Georgia—which was a country south of Russia and,

           therefore, the Emperor’s banning of the Jesuits from Russia, his Ukase, did not reach to Georgia.

           So the Jesuits stayed in Georgia, trained Joseph Stalin, brought him in after the Revolution, and

           made him Secretary of the Communist Party in 1922, until he died in 1953.

           The Jesuits used Freemasonry and, of course, Stalin was also a brother Freemason. They used

           Freemasonry to implement Communism in Russia, and from there, China, and from there,

           throughout the world.

           When Germany had their revolution after World War I, their Communist revolution—remember,

           they requested an armistice—they had never been beaten on the field of battle.

           The Germans were foisted into that war; they never started World War I. It was started by France

           and Russia and England, for the purpose of destroying Germany, because Germany had expelled

           the Jesuits. During that war, the Germans requested an armistice to stop this Communist revolution

           in Germany.

           And who lead the revolution? The German Freemasons.

           According to the Kaiser, in his memoirs, it was German Freemasonry that got him off his throne and

           deposed him. He had to go into exile in Holland. He wrote his memoirs in 1935.

           So the relationship between Jesuitism, Communism and Freemasonry we see evolving and

           expanding from the 1600s to the ultimate achievement in the Bolshevik Revolution.

           In my book, I parallel the French Revolution and the Bolshevik Revolution, and they are identical. It

           was French Freemasonry that caused the French Revolution and the Jacobins, and it was the

           Freemasons in Russia, with Bolsheviks, who caused the Russian Revolution, with their Bolsheviks,

           leading and ending in Joseph Stalin. In France, it ended with Napoleon; in Russia, it ended with

           Stalin. And so, that’s the relationship there.

           Martin: Why was Eugene Sue so significant?

           Phelps: Eugene Sue wrote his masterpiece The Wandering Jew, and in that masterpiece he

           weaves a fantastic story from India to England to France, of the power of the Jesuit Order and their

           attempt to destroy the Rennepont family, a French Huguenot Protestant family, and acquire a

           fortune that’s due to be inherited by the members of that family on a certain day, at a certain time, in

           a certain year.

           Well, that fortune is held, in trust, by a Jew, for which reason the book is named The Wandering

           Jew. It tells of the power of the Jesuit Order in that book, and how the Jesuits mercilessly killed all

           these members of the Rennepont family so they could not inherit their fortune.

           The only one, I believe, they didn’t kill was a priest, whose name was Gabriel, who was a decent

           and a righteous Catholic priest who repudiated the Jesuit Order. He ordered the Jew to burn all the

           securities, that totaled something like $212 million, that would have rightfully been this French


           So, the Jesuits didn’t get it, nor did the French family get it. It’s written with such drama and feeling

           that you cannot put this book down. It was translated into many different languages. As a result, the

           French, and other nations, had their French Revolution, the second French Revolution of 1848. But

           because it was not lead by Godly men, it benefited the Jesuits.

           Whenever you have a revolution led by unGodly men, it’s just like a man who’s on a horse, trying

           to be pushed off the horse, and as he’s pushed off, another dictator takes his place. That’s exactly

           what happened in France, and Italy, and the nations who were involved in that second French


           But Eugene Sue had motivated the people of France to expel the Jesuits, and they were finally

           expelled in 1880 by a French Freemason, in the 3rd Republic, Leon Gambetta. So, they’re all

           Freemasons who resist them, but they pay with their lives, like Garfield, like Gambetta, Roosevelt,

           Franklin D. Roosevelt. Roosevelt really didn’t resist them; he just was killed by them.

           Martin: Again, I’m jumping around.

           Phelps: Ok.

           Martin: What was Operation Mongoose?

           Phelps: Operation Mongoose was purely "black ops" in the words of Fletcher Prouty. Of course,

           Fletcher Prouty I consider the authority on what Operation Mongoose was. Operation Mongoose

           was to "give the appearance" of resistance to Castro’s government by attacking Cuba but, in effect,

           solidified his reign there. That’s what it ultimately produced. And that’s what the Knights and the

           CIA ultimately wanted. Ok?

           The agreement that Kennedy made over the Cuban missile crisis in 1962—first of all, there was no

           missile crisis. There’s no such thing as nuclear war. There’s no such thing as a nuclear attack. That’s

           all a hoax. It’s just as much a hoax as going and landing on the Moon. It’s a hoax.

           Nuclear war, that fear, was the basis for the Cuban missile crisis. And out of that hoax, Kennedy

           strikes a secret deal with Khrushchev that, if you keep the missiles out of Cuba, we won’t bother

           Castro anymore. Well, that’s what the Jesuits wanted anyway. They wanted to solidify Castro in


           So that whole theatrical performance solidified Castro’s power in Cuba. And the question is: Why

           would the Jesuits create this fanatical power in Cuba, run down the Cuban people, put them in

           poverty, imprison them at random, create a living hell down there, drive out the Mafia—the Mafia

           could no longer have their casinos in Havana?

           Why would the Mafia give up their casinos? For the international drug trade to be developing out of


           Therefore, if the Mafia is leaving, and we don’t have a bunch of American tourists going down to

           Cuba anymore, and Cuba is really a secret country—the Bible is not allowed there, missionaries

           are not allowed in, obviously under Jesuit control, Castro was trained by Jesuits—what’s the

           purpose of Cuba under Castro?

           It’s purpose is as a landing base for foreign invasion. They have hundreds of vehicles,

           underground, in underground caves there, ready for a massive invasion to the East Coast,

           primarily the South. Because the last of the Protestants in this country are in the South.

           Cuba will always be under a dictator and will never go back to freedom, because it is to be a

           landing base. And you know what? It could very well be a landing base for a Jihad that the

           Moslems will foment against us, because they’ll come right across from Africa to Cuba, get

           reinforced, and then go landing into Florida, with all their 5th‑Column Cubans in Florida and Miami

           right now. Sounds wild, but—.

           Martin: That’s a sobering thought.

           Phelps: Yes, it is. Sounds wild, but I’m telling you, all the geography is in place. However, they

           can’t pull this all off until they get your guns. So that’s why they’re constantly creating these gun

           issues—people shooting people, the Columbine High School bit—to justify the confiscation of all

           the guns. And when that happens, then they can do what they want to do.

           Martin: There are a lot of strong Americans out there.

           Phelps: The only problem is this: they’re not united and they can’t be lead. Americans are

           leaderless because they do not follow. They all think their opinions are equal, and they’re not. I

           would follow General Patton anywhere. I wouldn’t question an order of his. We don’t have men

           like that today, for the most part, because we don’t have leaders like that today.

           Martin: I found your account of Patton’s assassination fascinating, also your speaking of the

           Jesuits’ poisoning of him.

           Phelps: A member of the OSS came out in the Spotlight [newspaper] and said that. His name

           was Zapata, that agent. He said he was given a contract on Patton for $10,000. He didn’t kill him,

           but he knows the guy who did. So, Patton was murdered, and General Vlasov was murdered, and

           both of them hated the Jesuits’ "Grand Inquisitor", Joseph Stalin. They would have united together

           to eradicate Russia of that dictator, but the Jesuits would not have it because Russia is theirs. They

           must control the Orthodox Church to bring it back to Rome. That’s why they got rid of the


           Martin: Patton’s take‑out was ordered by "Wild" Bill Donovan? Did I read that?

           Phelps: That’s right. Wild Bill Donovan was the head of the OSS at the time. And if you get

           Anthony K. Brown’s The Last Hero, it’s on Wild Bill Donovan. He is in the Vatican at the end of

           his life, in a picture, walking in the Vatican to receive one of the highest medals from the Pope, for a

           "lifetime" of intelligence service to the Vatican. That is in The Last Hero and the picture is

           mesmerizing. I want to put it in my book.

           The OSS is nothing but an arm of the CIA and the Vatican, and that’s why they took out Kenendy.

           They kill all the generals who don’t "play ball".

           Martin: Let’s talk about the CIA and the FBI some more. What can you tell me about their

           relationship to Count von Kolvenbach?

           Phelps: Well, based upon the past, if the CIA and the FBI carried out the assassination under

           Spellman, and Janseens was the Jesuit General then, the same power structure is in place. So, von

           Kolvenbach, through his Knights of Malta and Jesuits, control the FBI and CIA. And his liason of

           control is now Cardinal O’Connor in New York.

           Martin: Some time ago, with Gunther Russbacher and others, there was talk about a split in the

           CIA, of different factions. Some even say there is a third faction in the CIA that has split off.

           What’s your opinion about factional divisions within the CIA?

           Phelps: I think it’s true. I know that Angelton was the mole. Angelton was the one who betrayed

           all those CIA agents in Russia, in which the vast majority of them were killed, when he gave all that

           information to that KGB kingpin on a farm in New York, in a van, stuffed with all the highest, top

           secret CIA documents. Ok?

           Colby comes along as the Director of the CIA—I know his brother, he lives nearby me—Colby

           comes along as the Director of the CIA and what does he do? He fires Angelton. Bad news for


           Martin: Yeah, it was.

           Phelps: They filled him up with lead. Eric Timm, he was also against Angleton; he was history.

           That’s all told in Anthony K. Brown’s work Treason In The Blood. There’s a whole little chapter

           on Eric Timm and some of the other guys in the CIA who were against Angelton. They all died. So

           there’s a faction in the CIA that knows that something is rotten in Denmark, and they don’t quite

           know what it is. Hopefully, they’ll read my book and see that the CIA is just an arm of the Jesuit

           Order and Knights of Malta, carrying out the Council of Trent and the Pope’s temple power, and

           will REVOLT, and start to tell the truth themselves.

           It’s the same way in the FBI. My father lectured at the FBI Academy. He wanted to be in the FBI,

           but his parents were Communists, so he was not let in by J. Edgar Hoover. But the FBI has

           low‑level agents who wonder just what’s going on. A lot of them didn’t approve of what happened

           in Waco.

           They need to come out and tell the truth. This whole "house of cards"—and that’s what it

           is, this is not an undefeatable, invincible monster—it’s a house of cards; it plays on FEAR.

           If men would tell the truth, and come out and tell what they know, and not be afraid, this

           whole house of cards would crumble. That’s what they need to do.

           Martin: Who is Avery Dulles?

           Phelps: Avery Dulles is the son of John Foster Dulles, Secretary of State, I believe, under

           Eisenhower. Avery Dulles is a Jesuit, and he was the nephew of the head of the CIA during the

           Kennedy assassination, who was Allan Dulles. And Allan Dulles was a Freemason, also called "the

           gentleman spy" in the book The Gentleman Spy.

           Martin: What was Angelton’s role in the Kennedy assassination?

           Phelps: Angelton was the one who was to "investigate" it on the part of the CIA. (laughter)

           Angelton also, I believe, was liaison to the Warren Commission—no, that was Dulles. But Angelton

           and Dulles were working together on that, because Angelton was the Chief of Counter‑Intelligence

           and he manned the Vatican Desk, and he manned the Israeli Desk.

           See how they’re maintaining the Zionists in power, with the Israeli Desk? So, they saved Israel’s

           hide in the ’73 war, because Kissinger almost lost it for them. Alexander Haig gave them, the

           Israelis, those anti‑tank missiles, and got them in their hands before the Egyptians got into Israel and

           disabled them. That was Alexander Haig, Knight of Malta, for which reason he was also the

           Supreme Allied Commander for NATO, promoted over 260 of his peers.

           Martin: Do you know anything about Haig’s statement "I’m in charge now!" Do you remember


           Phelps: Yeah, I do. I don’t know all of the implications, but I’m sure it fits in with him being, in

           fact, in charge in the Nixon White House.

           Martin: Ok, I want to go back to the Kennedy assassination, and I’m going to just mention some

           names: Clay Shaw, Jim Garrison, J. Peter Grace, Henry Luce, E. Howard Hunt, John McCone.

           Why are they so important to this story?

           Phelps: Give me one and we’ll start with one.

           Martin: Let’s start with Clay Shaw.

           Phelps: Clay Shaw was a Knight of Malta. He was the head of the international trade mart in New

           Orleans. Roman Catholic, homosexual, multi‑millionaire, lived lavishly, etc. Clay Shaw was the

           personal friend of David Ferry. David Ferry was a CIA agent, and was also a pilot for Carlos

           Marchello—the CIA and the Mafia together. Clay Shaw also was a friend of Lee Oswald, and

           Garrison proves it.

           Here we have Clay Shaw, who was in the CIA. It was admitted by Richard Helms that Clay Shaw

           was a "contract agent" for the CIA, and the highest security involved in the Kennedy assassination,

           because he gets an attorney for Dean Andrews who’s subpoenaed by Garrison. So, if Clay Shaw is

           involved, he’s a Knight of Malta, he’s high CIA, and he can’t go down.

           That’s why the court was packed. The judge was biased against Garrison. The defense of Shaw

           was unlike any before. There was a guy behind, whispering to the defense attorney. That’s not

           allowed in a courtroom defense.

           Shaw HAD to be found innocent, because if he was found guilty, now the CIA is going down. Now

           we’re going to have a revolution. So, Clay Shaw had to be found not guilty.

           But it wasn’t many years after that, he died under suspicious conditions and never had an autopsy.

           He died of lung cancer. But he’s part of the brotherhood, and the Jesuits are very powerful in New


           Martin: John McCone.

           Phelps: John McCone was a very powerful industrialist, and one who was part of the

           military‑industrial complex, before he became the head of the CIA. He later went on to become

           part of, I believe, ITT.

           John McCone was another Knight of Malta, head of the CIA, and participated in the Kennedy

           assassination by virtue of him being its head. And he’s Knight of Malta.

           Angelton is a Knight of Malta. Henry Luce is a Knight of Malta. William F. Buckley is a Knight of

           Malta. And William F. Buckley then ran the National Review—and what does he do? He blames

           Oswald as the lone assassin.

           Where was the picture concocted, for Oswald, as though his head is put on this body that’s not his?

           It was concocted, probably, I believe, in the Time‑Life Building, when they did that, because

           Time‑Life has a whole bunch of CIA agents in it. And, remember, Time‑Life is right across the

           street from St. Patrick’s Cathedral, where Cardinal Spellman was ruling from.

           So, Spellman was overseeing the whole thing, with Henry Luce. And, if you get Luce And His

           Empire, there is a picture in there of Cardinal Spellman, Luce, Grace, Clare Boothe Luce, and

           Dean Rusk, on the 1963, 4‑year anniversary of Time magazine in the Waldorf Astoria, only months

           before the Kennedy assassination. And there’s Dean Rusk, the architect of the Vietnam War,

           according to the words of his own son.

           Ok, who’s the other one? Howard Hunt. Howard Hunt is a CIA agent, of course.

           He said he was never in Dallas the day of the assassination, but Mark Lane proved that he was.

           Thank God for Mark Lane. Here’s another Jew getting in the way of the Vatican. Just like Daniel

           Ellsberg—here’s another Jew getting in the way of the Vatican’s Vietnam War.

           You see Jews who are getting in the way of the Vatican, and the Jesuits are furious about it. So

           here’s Mark Lane; he’s openly defeated William F. Buckley in court before; now he proves that

           Howard Hunt is a CIA agent, in Dallas the day of the assassination.

           The jury came forward with that verdict, and who is Howard Hunt? Howard Hunt is a personal

           friend of Henry Luce, a correspondent for Time‑Life. He’s a personal friend of William F. Buckley.

           He goes to one of Buckley’s parties at the New York Yacht Club. He knows them both. He

           knows two of the High Knights.

           And guess what? Guess what Howard Hunt is called? He’s called "Knight". (laughter)

           I wonder what he was—Knight of Columbus, or whatever. But he’s involved with the brotherhood.

           So he was there on the day of the assassination, intimate with Luce and Buckley. Just as the chart

           says on my web page. And by the way, your readers need to look at my

  web page.

           Martin: I’m going to mention a few more names.

           Phelps: Oh, J. Peter Grace we forgot. J. Peter Grace was the head of the Knights of Malta in

           1963. He is the head of W. R. Grace, and he’s one of the largest shipping tycoons in the world, in

           control of all the shipping in South America. Grace is a powerful man, or was a powerful man.

           Martin: Has anyone filled his shoes?

           Phelps: Yes, Flynn is head of the Knights of Malta now, down in Florida where there new office is.

           They moved from New York to Florida, I think Bocca Raton. They have 11 Knights of Malta on

           the W. R. Grace board.

           And, of course, guess who owns Taco Bell? W. R. Grace.

           So now we see W. R. Grace involved in the poisoning of America with fast‑food chains, so

           everybody gets heart disease, clogged arteries, so they can go to bypass surgery and further enrich

           the medical profession, while carrying out their medical inquisition. Isn’t that clear? So not only are

           they going to kill all of the American people, but they’re going to make billions doing it.

           Martin: I’m sure they’re laughing all the way to the bank.

           Phelps: They sure are. And where Grace did his banking, W. R. Grace, they did their banking at

           Chemical Bank in New York. Guess who runs Chemical Bank? Knights of Malta.

           Martin: Jim Garrison was a very brave guy.

           Phelps: Yes, he was. He lost his marriage. He lost his children. He suffered greatly through this,

           doing what he did.

           Martin: Ok, I want to talk about the movie JFK. You mention the Jesuits, in control of

           Time‑Warner, produced Oliver Stone’s movie JFK. What was the reason for this? To just further

           cement, subliminally in the minds of the American people, their absolute power?

           Phelps: I think that might be part of it. But, I think it’s a test. It’s a test: tell the American people

           the truth to see what they will do about it. And they did nothing.

           And that was the end of Garrison, or Kevin Costner’s speech, in the courtroom, when he said "It’s

           up to you." And he looks directly into the camera. So, he’s looking at us.

           That was a call to do something about it. It’s a test. What will we do? And you know what was

           done? Nothing. The men in power, the men in the know, the men who could have said something,

           did nothing. So that was the purpose of the movie.

           Meanwhile, they interweave all these Jesuit subliminals all throughout the movie: "Black is white,

           white is black"—when Garrison is at the restaurant, talking to his people—that’s Ignatius Loyola.

           David Ferry shows pictures of his Catholic uniform there, and Satan pictures in his apartment, all

           very much Jesuitism.

           There were a couple of other things I noticed that I can’t quite remember. Oh, they had a subliminal

           "study the past". It goes on there, it’s on a building or something, "study the past". And they said:

           "It’s like Caesar; he’s not in the loop." Well, Caesar was murdered by those close to him. And the

           ones who murdered Caesar were the priests of Rome. There’s all kinds of subliminals in that movie

           which point to the power of the Jesuit Order, all over. The assassination—right after they take his

           body out of Parkland Hospital, they’ve got the cross on it, the crucifix. That is a very unique, Jesuit


           When I was at a Jesuit retreat in Redding one day, I just wanted to walk through the place. I

           wanted to see where these sinners rule from, so I thought I would walk through the place and check

           out the rooms. It just so happened that the Jesuits were on the second floor, by themselves. So I

           went to the first floor and the third floor, and looked into the rooms. They were little, tiny rooms,

           and on every bed is a crucifix with a crucified person on it. It’s not the Jesus Christ of the Bible; it’s

           their Jesus Christ. And that’s the same exact crucifix that was put on the coffin, in the movie, when

           they’re shipping the coffin out.

           And get a load of this: the guy who came to give Kennedy the Last Rites, Oscar Hubert, his

           superior was the Bishop of Dallas, by the name of Thomas Gorman. Bishop Thomas Gorman was a

           Knight of Malta, answerable directly to Cardinal Spellman.

           Martin: Let’s talk about Cardinal Spellman. Who was he? Why was he so important? You say, in

           the book, he really was the man behind it.

           Phelps: Right.

           Martin: Why do you say that?

           Phelps: Cardinal Spellman was, first, very much involved in politics all of his life. Remember, he

           was trained by the Jesuits at Fordham. He was trained by Jesuits at the American College in Rome.

           When he came back here, he was taken care of by Nicholas Brady and his wife, multi‑billionaires in

           control of Union Carbide, and various banks, multi‑multi‑billionaires.

           Spellman was part of getting FDR into office, although I believe Cardinal Hayes was the Cardinal.

           Guess who FDR names as his international agent, during World War II? Francis Spellman. Francis

           Spellman was throughout the war‑front during World War II, going to and from the Vatican, the

           Allied Army, etc. And, with that, he built a huge network of contacts. He, also, of course, had

           contacts with the mob.

           So, by the time of the Kennedy assassination, we have Cardinal Spellman here, who helped the

           Nazis get into the United States, with the FBI.

           I met one of those Nazis about 6 months ago. I call him Pete. He showed me his Nazi SS overcoat,

           which is a beautiful overcoat—I’d love to have it. And it was the FBI who brought all of these High

           Nazis in and resettled them, and gave them money to settle.

           Who did that? Francis Spellman, by helping those criminals escape the theater of Europe so that

           they could not be prosecuted. It’s called the "Vatican Ratline" that Loftus writes about in his

           Unholy Trinity.

           So, Spellman is involved in getting the SS out, helping the Ustashis. Spellman is involved in this

           whole second 30 Years War of the Vatican in Europe, outlined by Edmond Paris in his Vatican

           Against Europe.

           And so, he is in a perfect place to carry out the assassination. He has contacts with the Knights of

           Malta in England, with the Knights he controls in America; he has his Jesuit contacts who trained

           him at Fordham and Rome; he was a personal friend of Pius XII during the war.

           He was a personal friend of the secret cold‑warrior, Montini, Pius VI. So he is the perfect man,

           with all of the connections, to carry it out. He has contacts with the CIA, the Knights from the CIA,

           the Knights from the FBI, in the person of Carthe DeLouthe, who still lives. He had contacts with

           high‑level Freemasonry, with people like J. Edgar Hoover and their raving against Communism,

           Communism, Communism—international, Godless, Jew Communism.

           He and Hoover are bosom, probably bed, partners. And so, Spellman is in a place to be in control

           of the CIA, the FBI, the Mafia, and through Freemasonry, the Dallas Police Department—like they

           control every major city’s P.D. And so he carries it out.

           And then he’s also in control of the press, in control of Time and Life, with Henry Luce, so the

           press never gets it. He’s in control of CBS, with a man named Frank Shakespeare, who was the

           head of CBS at the time.

           So you think Walter Cronkite is going to tell us the truth? No way. He’s in control of CBS, NBC,

           ABC. They have stocks in it, for heaven’s sake. So, there’s no way the story’s getting out. And

           he’s in control of the CIA to hit and kill anybody who wants to come out and tell the truth, which is

           why there’s over a hundred dead witnesses over the last 30 years.

           That’s why they took out Fensterwald, in 1992, outlined in the book by that CIA agent First Hand

           Knowledge, by Morrow. He was a CIA agent. He was in on the Kennedy assassination. He

           completely outlines it in his book, and he tells of that relationship of the CIA to killing Fensterwald.

           He dedicates his book to Fensterwald.

           So, how’s it getting out? This is only getting out by fearless preachers, who preach the Word of

           God, and aren’t afraid of telling the truth politically, trusting God that He will move and do His part,

           now that we’ve done our part.

           Martin: FBI Director Hoover, Earl Warren, Gerald Ford, Johnson—Jesuit tools?

           Phelps: Jesuit tools. All 33rd‑Degree Freemasons. And remember, the Council of the 33rd Degree

           is located in Washington. They control all of the Shriners in this country. Washington is controlled

           by the Jesuits from Georgetown.

           The capital of the United States is at Georgetown University, not the White House.

           And if you go into the president’s office at Georgetown, you will see a picture of Bill Clinton,

           kneeling at the grave of Timothy Healy [past president of Georgetown], while the present

           president, Donovan, who is on the Walt Disney Board, is standing behind him.

           I wanted that picture; I wanted a copy of that picture. Those people threw me out of that office.

           They would not let me have a copy of it. I sent another person, a lady, up there. They would not

           give it to her. I want that picture, for my book, of Bill Clinton kneeling at the grave of these Jesuits.

           Can’t get it. But if you go in the president’s office, it’s there.

           Georgetown is the capital. They control all Freemasonry. In fact, if you go to Maryland, they’ve got

           the great big lodge across from a great big Jesuit institution, in Baltimore—a great huge Shriner

           Lodge is across the street from a Jesuit University. And they’re enemies?

           Martin: I want to talk about Bill Clinton in a minute, but before we get to him, who is Cartha


           Phelps: Cartha DeLoach—his sir name was Deke. He was the 3rd‑in‑command of the FBI at the

           time of the Kennedy assassination. Cartha DeLoach was the real head of the FBI. Hoover was a

           wimp. His queer buddy, Tolson, who was nothing, was second in command.

           So Hoover and Tolson were just figure‑heads. The real head of the FBI was Cartha DeLoach, the

           Knight of Malta, Roman Catholic, subject to Cardinal Spellman.

           Cartha DeLoach fabricated evidence, covered‑up evidence in the FBI, in the Kennedy

           assassination. That was proven by Jim Garrison. Cartha DeLoach went on to retire. He went on to

           work for a huge industry corporation called PepsiCo, which the Knights of Malta control, and

           which have ranches in Communist China, which they set up. And he still lives.

           Cartha DeLoach wrote a book called Hoover’s FBI. You can get it at the bookstores. In that

           book he tells about the Secret Service, the FBI, and the Jesuits.

           Martin: Why do you refer to the Kennedy assassination as the "Achilles’ Heel" of the Jesuits?

           Phelps: Because, if it’s ever known that the Jesuits killed our first Roman Catholic

           President, if the Roman Catholics of Northeastern America ever find that out, and ever

           believe it, the Jesuits are finished here.

           This country is the keystone to implementing the temporal power of the Pope around the

           world. If this country would expel the Jesuits, and we get back our national sovereignty,

           and we started to be self‑governing once again, we would have our liberty, and the Jesuits

           would be out, and we would begin to experience REAL financial prosperity, and real living.

           So, if that is known that the Jesuits are the ones behind it, that Rome carried this out, the Catholics

           of the Northeast would have a revolution. We would have another revolution because American

           Roman Catholics are not like Catholics in any other country: they think. They have their own

           opinion. They believe in freedom of conscience. They believe they have the right to express


           Catholics in Poland don’t believe that. Catholics in Italy wouldn’t dare believe that. But the

           Catholics here do. They have a lot of Protestant principles. They don’t really comprehend this

           whole idea of universal, world‑wide temporal power of the Pope. They think it’s just a religion.

           But, if those Catholics in New York, if those two million Roman Catholics knew that Spellman was

           behind it, and O’Connor has covered it up, we’d have a revolution! Because it’s the Roman

           Catholics, unfortunately, who only do anything about things. The Protestants don’t do anything.

           They’re all a bunch of wimps, a bunch of cowards. They don’t do anything.

           It’s the Roman Catholics who apparently have built our major cities. They built our skyscrapers.

           They’re the great steel workers. They’re the ones, apparently, with the guts enough to bring about a

           change. The only problem is, they’re unGodly because they don’t know the Lord. They don’t read

           the Bible. They don’t know Christ. They’re not born‑again. If they would get born‑again, and come

           to know Christ, with their determination and their resistance to tyranny, we’d have another

           Reformation. And a lot of people’s heads would be going on trial, and to the block, for treason.

           Martin: I’m going to go back, now. How did the Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion,

           authored, according to you, by the Jesuits, further the Jesuit Agenda?

           Phelps: Ok. To anwer that, we probably ought to look at the different Protocols. Now, to my

           mind, I believe there’s 20 or 30 Protocols; I can’t quite remember. But the Protocols further the

           agenda of the Jesuit Order in that Russia would be taken and, in the fall of Russia, in the Bolshevik

           Revolution, two major things would happen: The Romanoff dynasty would be removed. Now, of

           course, the Czar was not killed at Ekaterinburg; we know that from the book The File On The

           Czar. We know that his daughter died in the state of Virginia [not very long ago]. We know his

           son, Alexi, became a member of the KGB, later came to New York, and he put out what was

           called The White Paper. The Royal Family was not killed, because they were Knights of Malta.

           So, the Knights of Malta took the Royal Family out, faked their death, and then after they had

           taken the Romanoffs out, the Orthodox Church no longer had a protector, because Church and

           State are one in Russia.

           Now the Jesuits were free, with their Bolsheviks, to kill‑off the Orthodox leadership that was

           anti‑Rome. That’s why they killed 5,000 priests and nuns, during the revolution, of the Orthodox

           Church. They just beheaded all the anti‑Catholic, anti‑Pope leadership of the Orthodox Church.

           They got rid of the Romanoffs, and then the next thing they did, they began to purge Russia of its

           Protestants, in general. They purged it of its Lutherans; they burned down the Lutheran Church;

           imprisoned the Baptists; sent them off to Siberia. They even destroyed two Jewish communities

           during the ’20s, which we’re not told.

           The Jews fared well for 10 years, until the purges of Stalin in the ’30s. But the Jesuits accomplished

           the killing‑off, the getting rid of the Romanoff dynasty and their protectorate of the Orthodox

           Church, the beheading of the Orothodox Church, so they could bring Orthodox Moscow back to

           Rome. And remember, Moscow is considered the "Third Rome". The first is Rome; the second is

           Constantinople; the third is Moscow. And you can find this, you can find the Jesuit alliance with the

           Bolsheviks in a book called Descent Into Darkness by a priest named Zatko, who taught at Notre

           Dame University in the ’60s.

           And so the Jesuits were given formal re‑entry into Russia in 1922, after the Bolshevik Revolution

           and Civil War, and from then on—the Russian College was erected in Rome in 1929, so they could

           prepare Russian Jesuits to rule Russia. And that’s what they’ve done, and they’ve ruled through the

           KGB, just like they rule this country through the CIA and the FBI.

           The Protocols outline this. Remember, the Protocols were discovered in Russia, and translated by

           an Englishman, Marsden. But what it also did—because then they set‑up the huge gulag system, the

           huge concentration camp system, that gave the Jesuits practice to do this in Europe.

           But their great accomplishment was, in the process of pulling all of this off, they blamed it on the

           Jews, and in so doing, justified in the eyes of the European people the annihilation of the Jewish

           race in Europe—because it’s the Jews who did this in Russia! The Jews killed all the Christians in

           Russia! The Jews sent them off to Siberia! After all, wasn’t Trotsky a Jew? Wasn’t Lenin a Jew?

           It’s all the Jews! So, they fell for the bait.

           So they blamed it all on the Jews, purged Europe of its Jews, so Europe is primarily Roman

           Catholic now. It’s a Roman Catholic block, and it will be the army of the Anti‑Christ, with its

           European Union.

           The Jews, then, were forced out of the nations to Israel. And remember, during World War II,

           when the Jews tried to escape and they were desperate to get out of Germany, do you think

           Jew‑controlled Russia would let the Jews in? If the Jews really controlled Russia, they could have

           gone right into Russia. They were not allowed. Stalin would not allow any Jews to go into Russia.

           Churchill would not allow any Jews to go into England. And that criminal, FDR, would not allow

           any Jews to come into America. They were not allowed to escape.

           They were either to be killed or funneled down through Israel, to be killed by the Mufti, that was

           working with the SS, Eichmann. Loftus is right. There is a secret war against the Jews, and all of the

           intelligence communities are waging it.

           And the Jews don’t perceive it because their Rabbis, the majority of their Rabbis, are traitors. I

           talked to a Rabbi in Lancaster County and I told him to look out for the Jesuit Order. He says "Oh,

           they’re some of my best friends!" Well, that explains it. The Rabbis betray their own people at the

           hand of these inquisitors. And that’s what they did in World War II, and they’re going to do it here.

           Martin: Let’s talk about Garfield and McKinley. Why were they assassinated?

           Phelps: I think Garfield was assassinated on a monetary issue; he was resisting the banking plans of

           the Jesuits. He was a radical, red Republican, too, you know, so they got rid of their own. I’m not

           familiar with all of the details. All I know is Burke McCarty in the book The Suppressed Truth

           About The Assassination Of Lincoln named McKinley and Garfield as other victims of the Jesuit

           Order. And had the Lincoln assassination been solved, that would never have happened. The other

           important issue is that Garfield was a Freemason. So, they assassinate their own Freemasons, when

           they want to.

           Martin: Going back to Lincoln, who was John Surratt?

           Phelps: John Surratt was the young man, 20 years old, who called time outside of Ford’s Theater.

           He was mastermind of the assassination. John Surratt was helped by the priests of Washington to

           escape Washington, went up into Canada, was taken care of and housed by the priests, by the

           Bishop of Montreal, and then he was ferried across the ocean in The Peruvian, in a steamer called

           The Peruvian, and he went to, I believe, Ireland, then into England, then he went to Rome, to the

           Pope’s Vatican there. He joined the Zouave army, and he was stationed in Alexandria, Egypt, until

           he was found and arrested.

           In 1867, he was brought back and stood trial in Washington. There a woman was involved in the

           picking of the jury, and a High Roman Catholic was put on it. And because it’s no murder to kill a

           heretic, the jury was hung in the first trial and Surratt went free. And he was also free in the second

           trial, because there were two trials. He died in 1914, I believe, at the age of 72, and they gave him,

           of course, a very, very, pompous funeral, a High Requiem Mass that are usually only given for

           priests and nuns. Evidently, he deserved it.

           Of course, John Wilkes Booth, he was never killed. Corbett never killed Booth in the barn. Booth

           escaped Washington with a password, according to Finis Bates’ work The Escape And Suicide

           Of John Wilkes Booth. He escaped to Kansas, and on his death bed confessed to his physician

           that he was John Wilkes Booth who shot Lincoln. And he escaped with the help of a Masonic

           password. So just like there was a patsy for the Lincoln assassination, there was a patsy for the

           Kennedy assassination.

           Martin: Why is April 15th so significant?

           Phelps: (laughter) Well, April 15 was the day that Lincoln called out troops on the South. It was

           the day that Lincoln died. He was shot on the 14th and died on the 15th. It’s the day that the

           Titanic was sunk. And it’s the day all the 14th Amendment citizens of this empire, like the good

           serfs that they are, go to confession once a year and confess to the government with their tax

           returns. Beware the Ides of April. (laughter)

           Martin: Let’s talk about the Cold War. Why did that come about?

           Phelps: We had the end of World War II. We had the purging of the Jews and the Protestants, for

           the most part. The British Empire was destroyed, it’s wrecked, which was essentially the empire

           that the Gospel went to China with. Modern missions were founded on the British Empire.

           So, that Protestant Empire, even though it was controlled by Rome, was done. We have America in

           huge financial debt, out of isolationism. We have a Russia that’s taken over by the Jesuits, through

           Joseph Stalin. Of course, the great beneficiary of World War II was Russia—Russia was the only

           country that won. But the Jesuits are not finished with their purgings and their installings of dictators

           loyal to the Pope, around the world. I mean, they pretty much have South America. They pretty

           much have Africa. But they don’t have the East, and the Orthodox nations, and the Buddhist


           So, the purpose of the Cold War was to kill millions of these heretic, orthodox Buddhists, and to

           install in their country dictators that will carry out the Inquisition, who are loyal to the Pope.

           One of those dictators was Joseph Stalin. And he was given the nuclear device in 1943 by the U.S.

           government, by the U.S. army. And you can find that in The Unseen Hand by Ralph Epperson. He

           did a lot of good documentation.

           So, they gave him the bomb. I shouldn’t call it "the bomb" because they gave him the nuclear device

           so that he could detonate it and create the illusion that Russia now has nuclear capability, when a

           wheel‑barrow was a great invention in Russia.

           I mean, the Russian soldiers, when they went into Germany and they found toilets, they were

           dipping their bread in the toilets and eating their bread out of toilets. In Russia they were just

           savages. They didn’t have technology; they had nothing. All the technology they ever got was given

           by Vatican‑controlled Western corporations, whose inventors were Protestants.

           So, the Cold War has to continue under Stalin. And we have to divide up the world into two

           factions, so we’re going to put Roman Catholic NATO on one side, and we’re going to put

           Communist‑controlled Warsaw Pact on the other.

           But in the process of so doing, they put Protestant East Germany under Communism to purge the

           Protestants of East Germany out of the country. That’s why they sent them to Siberia. They put

           Protestant‑Lutheran Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia under Communism, so they deported them all to

           Siberia. They put the Mennonites of Russia further under Communism, deporting them to Siberia.

           They deported the Baptists of Russia to Siberia, because they could only do—wimpy, gimpy,

           powerless, Russian army that it was—we could easily have beat it into the ground, if it had not been

           financed and supported and built by Henry Ford and Western corporations.

           So, wimpy, gimpy Russia has this nuclear device, right? And oh, if we decide to go to war with

           Russia, well, we might get bombed! There’s mutual, assured destruction. So to keep that from

           happening, we won’t fight ’em, and we’ll let them purge the world of all its Protestants. That’s the

           purpose of the Cold War.

           The Cold War then went into China, and the U.S. 7th Fleet, according to the Birch Society, and

           they’re right about this, blocked Chiang Kai‑Shek from being able to go into China and take over

           the country. So, Mao Se‑Dung could get in control, get in power, and then carry out his inquisition

           against the land owners, against the Buddhists, against all the Protestant missionaries who were in

           China—just like the good Jesuit pawn that he was.

           And, of course, the intimidation idea was that you can’t go to China—why, there’s millions of

           people there! Meanwhile, the Japanese whipped the Chinese to death in their war with China, when

           the Japanese went in. The Chinese had no technology. They had no organized army. They were

           easy to beat.

           But the idea we were sold was: Oh no—China is a great, powerful nation, and now they even have

           the bomb! Stalin gave them a bomb, so we can’t fight them anymore. So we won’t do anything to

           them, while they’re murdering 50 million people. And remember the "baby‑boomers" of the United

           States, we would have fought the world. We would have rid the world of tyranny, had we had

           leadership that would have led us to that. But we had this farce, called the nuclear, mutual assured

           destruction. We had this farce called the dropping of the bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

           Whatever it was, it wasn’t dropping nuclear bombs—and Edwin Corley does a pretty good job in

           his The Jesus Factor, in trying to tell you what else it was.

           And so, we have this nonsense Cold War, which enables Rome to put up all their dictators, their

           Communist dictators, all of them loyal to the Pope—including Ho Chi Minh. Ho Chi Minh had a

           secret deal with Pope John XXIII, and he was under the advice of a Roman Catholic Bishop all

           throughout the war.

           The purpose of the Cold War was to carry out the Council of Trent, and to tie the hands of the

           American Protestants; and it was also used to unite the Protestants and Catholics of America

           against Communism. Protestants and Catholics should unite on nothing. We are different. The

           Catholics have a final authority—that’s the Pope. The Baptists and Protestants should have a final

           authority—that’s the Bible. We don’t unite on anything. We don’t agree on anything. We don’t

           agree on America’s national purpose, so we don’t unite. We’re not uniting with abortion; we’re not

           uniting with Communism; we don’t unite against the Black or the Civil Rights Movement.

           You see, all these things were used to unite Catholics and Protestants together here, so that,

           ultimately, Rome would be in control of all the Protestant denominations through the National

           Council of Churches and the Royal Council of Churches. And that’s what they got. They took

           Princeton; they took Dartmouth College. All the great Protestant Universities are now in the hands

           of the Masons and the Jesuits. Harvard has a Jesuit House. They’re controlled. And so, wherever

           they control education, they control the politics. And they control the education in China, Russia, all

           the Communist countries. Now that they have all of the dictators installed all throughout the world,

           they don’t need the Cold War anymore. So now they can proceed with their next agenda, and

           that’s the unification of Europe, the building up of Russia, and the destruction of the Western

           Empire. And that’s their next agenda.

           Martin: How do you see that unfolding?

           Phelps: What’s that?

           Martin: The destruction of the Western Empire.

           Phelps: As far as the actions of overthrowing the government and having a tyranny, is that what

           you mean?

           Martin: Right. What do you see life like here in the next 5 or 10 years?

           Phelps: It’s hard to put a date on it; it’s hard to put a year on it. But I would say it’s going to

           continually become more and more a matter of "central power" in Washington. You’re going to

           have less and less power in the Congress. And one of these days, the Congress is going to be

           closed. And all we’re going to have is a Commander‑in‑Chief. We’re going to have some form of

           absolutism, with the President becoming now a dictator.

           Martin: Do you think George Bush, Jr. will be that person?

           Phelps: He could be. I won’t say he will be, but he could be. It will be someone like him—with

           complete allegiance to Rome, just like his father. His grandfather helped set up the CFR. His uncle

           is a Knight of Malta. It will be someone like him.

           And he WILL be the next President. They’ve already chosen him in the College of Cardinals.

           Everything else is a show. Jesuit‑trained Buchanan is a show. Roman Catholic McCain is a show.

           The Black Roman Catholic Keyes is a show, although he tickles me. He advocates abolition of the

           14th Amendment. If that happens, what are the Black people going to do? They’re not citizens;

           they have no rights! Dred Scott comes into play. He’s a fake.

           So, what I see is more and more centralization of power in the hands of the President. The

           Supreme Court is just a rubber stamp. He becomes the king. The courts are nothing more than the

           courts of the king’s bench. The Federal Reserve Bank will remain in power. Everything will be

           monitored and controlled by Washington, unless some of God’s men start trusting God and get in

           control of the state and cause it to secede. The only answer to this is state secession, leaving this

           Union—it’s not a Union, it’s an Empire—leaving the Empire that began in 1868, assuming national

           sovereignty, once again. And the first state that would do this, I’m moving there. Because I don’t

           want to see the FBI anymore. I don’t want to see the CIA. I don’t want to see any of these national

           bureaucracies anymore.

           Martin: Montana seems close. Arizona seems close.

           Phelps: Well, when they do it, I’ll move there. But that’s what would happen if things continue as

           they are. We’ll have race war. We’re going to have the Moslems fighting the Klu Klux Klan.

           Whites siding with the Whites; the Blacks siding with the Blacks. It’s going to be a blood‑bath

           everywhere. And that will justify Martial Law, and the military, and the whole nine yards, and also

           foreign occupation; we’re going to have that too. And you know how foreigners are in a foreign

           country. They rape the women. They couldn’t care less about the social strata of the country. They

           have no mercy on the people. They have a foreign tongue. And that’s what they’ll do. And that’s all

           the more reason for a state to secede.

           I’ve advocated that Pennsylvania should secede for the last 15 years. We have our own

           deep‑water ports; we have our own agriculture; we have our own heavy industry; we have coal; we

           have everything we need to be a sovereign nation. We don’t need this Empire anymore. The only

           problem is, Pennsylvania is COMPLETELY controlled by the Jesuits.

           Every major city is under their control. And so, the place is slated for destruction—all the

           Mennonite and Amish counties of Southeastern Pennsylvania. Everything else is Catholic:

           Pittsburgh, Scranton, Philadelphia, Harrisburg—all Roman Catholic. The Roman Catholic people,

           too, will also be sacrificed. They will be killed too. Let them not think that they’re going to be

           delivered because the Jesuits run the show. According to the Jesuit Molina, in the tape I just sent

           you, it is lawful to kill—and they will kill as many Roman Catholics as necessary to bring this plan to


           Martin: Define the Jesuit term: Universal Absolutism.

           Phelps: Define it? That means worldwide, universal, over every nation, absolute power.

           Absolutism is their great doctrine, that absolute power resides in the hands of the

           General. He is limited by no constitution. He is limited by no law.

           This is the Great Doctrine of Divine Right, the Divine Right of Kings that was so fought

           against by the Calvinists. We Bible‑believing Calvinists believe in the Rule of Law. The

           Law is king. Rutherford’s "Lex Rex". The Jesuits believe the king is the law—Louis

           XIV: "I am the law". So, it’s going to be a universal, world‑wide king who, himself, is the

           law. All authority will be in him, as he rules the world from Jerusalem, as the Beast.

           Martin: Are we talking about the present Pope, or are we talking about Count von Kolvenbach?

           Phelps: I’m saying that what’s in position now will ultimately bring in the future Pope, whoever he

           is, and whatever it may be, as a Universal Absolutist—the Universal Monarch of the World, in


           Martin: Symbolic? Or you’re saying literal?

           Phelps: I’m saying that will literally happen. There will be a Pope, who will be killed; he will receive

           a mortal wound. And this is going to happen in the 70th week of Daniel. He will receive a mortal

           wound, according to Revelation 13.

           This is the Beast, and he will come back to life. He comes back to life, mid‑trip, at the very time

           that Satan and his angels are cast out of Heaven by Michael and his angels. At this time, Satan goes

           and he indwells the Beast, this Pope. Now he comes back to life, just like Christ. He was dead;

           now he’s resurrected.

           And what is he going to do? He’s going to destroy the Catholic Church. He’s going to destroy the

           Vatican; and he’s going to go down in Jerusalem and demand to be worshipped as God, for three

           and a half years.

           That’s why the Vatican is indestructible. No one can destroy the Vatican. All the armies in the

           world couldn’t destroy it. It has been determined that it will be destroyed by the Anti‑Christ. And

           he, alone, can do it.

           That’s why, when the Yugoslavians wanted to mount an air attack against the Vatican in World

           War II, a bunch of clouds came over the airport and they couldn’t take off, because they were

           going to bomb the Vatican. The world will not allow that to happen. The Vatican will only be

           destroyed by the man of sin, the Beast, the coming Universal Monarch, the ex‑Universal Pope.

           The Vatican has the most extensive library in the world, the most priceless and extensive library. It

           goes for miles, underground, in the Vatican.

           Martin: Wouldn’t you love to go in there.

           Phelps: I would love to. Talk about finding sunken treasure.

           Martin: We’ve almost covered it. I almost don’t want to dilute this conversation with the FDA and

           AMA. Let’s talk about them just briefly.

           Phelps: Ok. World War II, produced of course by Rome, caused the Nazi experiments on the

           people in the concentration camps—the Jews, the Gypsies, the Socialists, primarily the Jews. But

           they experimented with things like fluoride. They experimented with things like EDTA chelation,

           which is THE treatment of choice for anybody with heart disease. They experimented with poisons.

           They experimented with surgeries. They experimented with all kinds of things on these people. They

           also experimented with vaccinations and immunizations.

           There’s a book called The Nazi Doctors. Everything that was learned by them was integrated into

           the American Medical Association, after the war. That’s why we all have our municipal water

           supplies fluoridated. That’s why they’re all chlorinated, because chlorine decreases oxygen, and

           therefore causes cancer, because cancer grows in an anaerobic state—it’s a virus, converting cells

           into mutants that are anaerobic.

           Ok. All of Europe is using ozone to clean their water supplies. Here they use chlorine. They want us

           with cancer. And how do we get cancer? With the vaccinations and immunizations, where they

           inject us with live viruses, like the hepatitis vaccine—every one of them has the HIV virus, SV‑40.

           What they’re doing is what they learned in Nazi Germany. They implemented here and they

           continue their research in the CIA. There’s a two‑tape set called The CIA And The Virus Makers

           which show how the CIA helped to create the HIV virus and various other viruses. They get into

           Robert Gallo, the world’s foremost virologist.

           Robert Gallo is a Jesuit. He’s a Roman Catholic, Italian, the world’s foremost virologist—and yet

           not controlled by the Brotherhood, by the Company? Ridiculous. He’s under their control! He’s

           doing all the research, and he doesn’t want to be blamed for it—as the WONDERFUL Jew, Len

           Horowitz, proved. Again, we’ve got Jews getting in the way—Jews blowing their cover.

           Martin: I’ve interviewed Len many times. He’s a very courageous guy.

           Phelps: Great guy. And he’s right on target. And he hits the Knights of Malta in his book

           Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola. He was a great encouragement to me when I saw him do that,

           when I read his book.

           So, hey, let’s just take it the whole way. Let’s just go right to the Jesuit Order. And what the Jesuits

           did with the Cold War, with their Inquisition in the East, they carry out with their war on the

           American people in the West, with their Medical Inquisition—cut, burn, and drug. And that’s what

           it is.

           Personally, I have my own home where I use ozone oxygen. I use ultraviolet blood irradiation. I can

           show you how ultraviolet blood irradiation incapacitates Lupus. It destroys Hepatitis. It destroys

           Meningitis. It destroys HIV.

           This is a very simple procedure; I do it every day. It can easily be done by any medical doctor, and

           they won’t do it. Because, when you kill off the virus, you don’t have the diseases. You are

           thwarting what they wanted to do with their vaccinations and immunizations.

           That’s why they want to make a law. That’s why that filthy Ted Kennedy, that Knight of Columbus,

           wants all these vaccinations and immunizations—when it should be a religious tenet of everyone:

           "It’s against my religious convictions to put foreign pathogens into my bloodstream. It’s going to

           make me sick by the time I’m 40. It’s going to give me plaque build‑up and heart‑disease. I’m not

           going to do it."

           In the meantime, they’re suppressing all the things that reverse it: soft lasers, hyperbaric chambers,

           ultraviolet blood irradiation, oxygen ozone, north‑pole magnetic therapy. All the things working

           together that would easily reverse it, they suppress, and consider it a crime. Make sense?

           Martin: Rife technology.

           Phelps: When I was in the office of my friend, William, in Maryland, he told me that he had a guy

           from NSA [National Security Agency] come in and talk to him about his blood irradiation, and

           told him: "I think that it would be wise for you to stop this."

           Now, this guy who runs the clinic there in Maryland is an ex‑Navy Seal. He’s no pushover. So he

           says to the NSA guy: "Well, why do you say that?"

           And the NSA guy said: "You know how Royal Rife died? We put poison on his tooth‑brush."

           This guy was from NSA. So, that was a threat. Well, now, some people get scared, and some

           people get upset, angry. William is one of those guy who gets upset and angry, and it furthers him

           that much harder.

           So, mysteriously, the head of the Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation Foundation died, about 3 or 4

           months ago, in his apartment, with no autopsy. So they almost destroyed the foundation, but now

           he is in the process of securing capital—and he will, I’m sure, very shortly, and it’s going to be

           untouchable. The machines will be put out and it will have UVC and UVA to do the blood, and

           we’re going to kill‑off all the viruses in the bloodstream. And we’re going to teach the medical

           doctors how to do it. We’ll provide the machines for them. And we’re going to end this tyranny.

           And we’ll also educate them—no more vaccinations and immunizations.

           There are only two things I’m a member of in this country: one is the national anti‑vaccine society,

           and the other is Gun Owner’s of America. Those are the only two organizations that are really

           worth supporting. If you get the vaccinations away from the people, they’re not going to be sick.

           And if you maintain guns in the hands of the people, they can still use them against the tyrants. And

           if they go to church and read the Bible, they’ll have all the spiritual zest and zeal to do it.

           Martin: We haven’t even talked about Nikola Tesla in this conversation.

           Phelps: Yeah. He was deliberately thwarted by the FBI, all his papers stolen in 1943. J.P. Morgan

           destroyed him. J.P. Morgan was one of the kingpins in the Titanic sinking.

           Nikola Tesla was a wonderful man. He came here for freedom. He was a Serbian Orthodox—a

           curse to Rome. The father of A.C. current. He developed a whole system of Universal Power, that

           we would need no coal or any of that. So, one of my other goals is to perfect the electromagnetic

           motor. When my book gets out, then I will be working with some men in perfecting electromagnetic

           motors, and they will be out, without a patent, privately.

           Martin: We’re just about there. Let’s talk about Bill Clinton. How do you see Bill Clinton in

           relationship to the Jesuits? And how do you see Al Gore? What can our readers glean from what

           you’re saying about their power base?

           Phelps: Well, we must remember: where did Bill Clinton come from? How did he become

           Governor? His father was a powerful political figure, because his mother was nothing. So, he came

           from nothing to being something, through some powerful political figure, probably the Kennedys.

           It’s rumored that John Kennedy was his father; could be. In any event, Clinton was trained by the

           Jesuits of Georgetown. He was the class president of his junior year, I believe. His senior year, he

           was not re‑elected because the student body said he was "too close to the Jesuit faculty".

           So, he was groomed by the Jesuits to be a powerful political leader. He was put in place in

           Arkansas, runs that scam there, while he’s Governor, in the drug trade, belonging to Rome,

           working with Reagan in the drug trade, and Bush. Then he’s made President.

           Remember the picture of him at Georgetown, kneeling at the grave of Timothy Healy? That says it

           all. He is the complete and total pawn of the Jesuit Order ruling from Georgetown University. He

           does anything they want him to do. He hasn’t resisted a thing.

           That’s why he’s untouchable. He can commit any crime. He can do any act of evil, and never be

           prosecuted, because they’ll call on traitors like Arlen Spector to vindicate him. And, of course,

           Arlen Spector was Spelly’s Jew in the Kennedy assassination—evil, wicked, lifetime Senator from

           Pennsylvania, which shows me that there are no elections anymore. Nobody voted for Arlen

           Spector who I know. He’s a gun‑grabber. So, they made him a life‑time Senator. They made

           Teddy Kennedy a lifetime Senator.

           Bill Clinton is completely at their beck and call. He will get out of office. He will live happily ever

           after, unless he starts talking. If he starts talking, he’s done. He is NOT a Baptist. He is loyal to the

           Jesuit Order.

           Martin: Ok, let’s talk about God and His Agenda.

           Phelps: As I understand the Bible, I believe we are in what’s called the Dispensation of Grace. I’m

           a dispensationalist. Now, there are those who say that dispensationalism was a brain‑child of the

           Jesuits. Could be, could be Jesuits were involved with that. But I believe the Bible teaches this,

           because God deals with men in different ways, at different times.

           He commands Abraham to sacrifice a lamb, but not me. We don’t do that now. He commands

           Noah to build an ark. We don’t do that now. He commands Moses to receive the Law of Sinai.

           We’re not under the Law; it’s for the Nation of Israel. He commanded his son to announce that the

           Davidic kingdom was ready to be established on Earth—repent, for the Kingdom is at hand. The

           Kingdom, promised to David, is about to be established, and that’s why they called him Son of


           And now we live in the Dispensation of Grace, called the present Evil Age, of Galations, Chapter

           1:4, and the Dispensation of Grace of Ephesians, Chapter 3. During this particular period of time,

           this stewardship, the Gospel says that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of our world; he was

           buried and rose again.

           And God commands all men, everywhere, to repent and believe on His name that they might be

           saved. But there is no other name under Heaven whereby we must be saved, save the name of

           Jesus. During this time, this good news of forgiveness of sin and free pardon, and we can be with

           the Lord for eternity, is going to every nation, Jews and Gentile. And during this Dispensation of

           Grace, Jews and Gentiles are regarded as one, in the body of Christ, when they’re saved.

           Now, according to Romans, Chapter 11, there is what is called the "fullness of the Gentiles". There

           is a fullness that is a predetermined amount of people who are going to be saved. We call them "the

           elect". We call ourselves the elect of the Lord.

           Now when that elect, that predetermined number, is saved, then God will begin to deal with the

           nations and Israel, once again. And that will begin, according to Daniel, Chapter 9, when the

           Prince shall come, shall confirm a covenant with many for one week. That is the 70th week of

           Daniel. The first 69 weeks have been fulfilled, from the decree, to rebuilding Jerusalem, to Messiah

           the Prince, the day Christ declared himself the Messiah of Israel, was 69 weeks of years. After that

           the Messiah would be cut‑off, and Jerusalem would be destroyed. That is the gap between the 69th

           and the 70th week. The temple is not destroyed; the city is not destroyed; the Messiah is not

           cut‑off, during the 69th or the 70th week. There’s a gap between those two weeks, and that gap

           has gone to nearly 2,000 years. In the year 2032, it will be 2,000 years. Because Christ was

           crucified in 32 A.D.

           Ok, during this dispensation, God is saving Jews and Gentiles out of all nations and placing them in

           the body of Christ, by the power of His Holy Spirit, as the Gospels preached. When the

           predetermined number comes to fruition, then the Lord will take out his Bible‑believing church, and

           everybody else is left to go through what is called "the time of Jacob’s trouble", in the Book of

           Jeremiah, or the Great Day of the Lord—the 7‑year tribulation, talked about in the Book of

           Revelation, Chapter 4‑19.

           That 7‑year tribulation will be when the Lord begins to judge this world for its rejection of the

           Messiah, and for their sins, having not been taken care of, not having been saved; although there

           will be many people saved during this time.

           The Jews will be tremendously persecuted. The vast majority of them will be murdered, and there

           will be a remnant who will repent at the end of the Tribulation, at which time the Messiah will come

           and they will look upon him, whom they pierced, and weep because they will realize that the one

           who is going to save them from all these Gentile armies pouring into Israel, is the very one they


           When the Lord Jesus destroys all the Gentile armies, he will then set up the Davidic Kingdom that

           he came to set up—the born‑again nation of Israel.

           Can a nation be born in a day? Isaiah, Chapter 66—they will be born‑again, they will inherit all the

           promises, and Christ will sit down in the Kingdom with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, just like he

           talked about, and he will eat the fruit of vine again. Because he said: "I will not eat this henceforth, til

           ye say, ‘Blessed is he that come in the name of the Lord’ until I eat it anew with you in the

           Kingdom." Then he will drink wine; he will eat the fruit of the vine; he will break bread; and he will

           be Messiah, King of the World at that time, ruling the world from Jerusalem.

           So, what we have coming is more unbelief, more persecution, less faith, less manhood, less guts,

           and we have more persecution from the Jesuit Order, more monetary control. We have another

           scenario of the World Government, under the Pope from Jerusalem, and that’s what the Jesuits

           want. And, ultimately, God in His providence, has allowed for 42 months for that to happen: 1260


           So that’s what I see coming. But what I believe is, I don’t believe that the doctrine of the coming

           Anti‑Christ should be used as fatalism—that we should: "Well, that’s coming, so we can’t do

           anything about it. The bastards are coming to take us out."

           That’s an excuse to cowardice. We need to do our duty. We need to resist evil in ourselves and

           around us, and as long as we have breath. And part of resisting that evil is resisting the Jesuit Order.

           It’s resisting anti‑Christian tyranny. It’s resisting absolutism. It’s resisting criminals who are in your


           We have a civil responsibility, and that’s to make sure government punishes evil and rewards good.

           And when it doesn’t punish evil anymore, it’s no government. We don’t know allegiance to it

           anymore. We withdraw our allegiance, and we assume our own sovereign power.

           And that’s exactly what the Covenanters did with Scotland when they withdrew their allegiance

           from, what was it, King James II, or Charles II; they withdrew their allegiance and the English

           settled there and, ultimately, many of those Covenanters were killed. But in the glorious Revolution

           of 1688, they got their liberty.

           Another thing is, all these men—they want to win right now. They want to do something and

           experience the win. We have no guarantee of that. Why not just say the way it is, resist the tyranny,

           and if we get killed in the process, then praise God—I mean, isn’t Heaven a little better than this

           place? What’s the big fear? All these men do not know the Lord, as far as trusting Him in the midst

           of a storm. They’re full of fear; they’re full of terror; and they’re all afraid to die.

           So, hopefully, with the true preaching of the Gospel—and ultimately there will be some preachers

           who will arise who will encourage us to do right and not fear death, and to resist these powers of

           evil—hopefully that will begin to change and there will be men who will call for secession, and states

           will begin to leave this Union, like Chechnya, and these others, and then the Lord will intervene for


           If we honor Him, He’ll honor us. If we fight for His causes, He’ll bless us. And we need to stop

           looking at the odds. We’ve always been outnumbered. We’ve always been outgunned. And that’s

           the way God likes it, because then, when we win, obviously He did it.

           So that’s what I see for the future, and I see there’s a great vacuum right now that needs to be

           filled. And it can be filled with the men of God telling the truth, or it can be filled with Jesuits

           advocating everybody give‑up, lay down their guns, and submit to this New World Order, under

           the Pope.

           The question is: What are YOU, dear reader, going to do?

           Editor’s note: Eric Jon Phelps’ book Vatican Assassins will likely be available through

           Wisdom Books & Press (see Back Page) after August 1. We will provide specific information

           about cost, etc., in an upcoming issue of The SPECTRUM when it is closer to the date of


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           Please note that Rick Martin’s new email address is [email protected] for any

           comments you may wish to direct his way.

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           The following are direct excerpts from the forthcoming book by Eric Jon Phelps called

           Vatican Assassins.

                                        The Jesuits – 1540

                                      Their Purpose And Oath

           The purpose of the Jesuit Order, formally established by the Pope in 1540, is to destroy the

           Protestant Reformation. They call it the Counter‑Reformation. Nicolini of Rome wrote:

           "The Jesuits, by their very calling, by the very essence of their institution, are bound to seek, by

           every means, right or wrong, the destruction of Protestantism. This is the condition of their

           existence, the duty they must fulfill, or cease to be Jesuits." [Footprints of the Jesuits, R. W.

           Thompson, 1894]

                                     Extract from Jesuit’s Oath

           To this end the professed Jesuits have obligated themselves with an oath, part of which was

           published in 1899, and reads:

           "I do now renounce and disown my allegiance as due to any heretical King, Prince or State, named

           Protestant, or liberals, or obedience to any of their laws or magistrates or officers.

           "I do further declare that the doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists,

           Huguenots, and other of the name Protestant or Liberals, to be damnable, and they themselves to

           be damned who will not forsake the same.

           "I do further declare that I will help, assist and advise all or any of His Holiness’ agents, in any place

           where I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland

           or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my utmost to extirpate the

           heretical Protestant or liberal doctrines, and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or

           otherwise." [Errors of the Roman Catholic Church, 15 Contributors, 1894]

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           In 1981, one of our heroes, Alberto Rivera, disclosed the oath he took as a professed Jesuit. We


                                    Ceremony Of Induction And

                                    Extreme Oath Of The Jesuits

           (Given to a Jesuit of minor rank when he is to be elevated to a position of command.)

           Superior Speaks:

           "My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler among the Roman Catholics to be

           a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren: to believe no man, to trust no

           man. Among the reformers, to be a reformer; among the Huguenots (French Protestants) to be a

           Huguenot: among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist: among the Protestants (those who protest and

           disagree with the Roman Catholic institution), generally to be a Protestant: and obtaining their

           confidence to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence

           (violent emotion) in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to

           become a Jew among the Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the

           benefit of your order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.

           "You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealously and hatred between states that

           were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to

           create revolutions and civil wars in communities, provinces and countries that were independent and

           prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace;

           "To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly in concert with your brother Jesuit who might

           be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected;

           "Only that the church might be the gainer in the end in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace,

           and that the ends justify the means.

           "You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your

           power from every source: to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants

           and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer,

           among the schools and universities, in parliament and legislatures, and in the judiciaries and councils

           of State, and to ‘be all things to all men’, for the Pope’s sake, whose servants we are unto death.

           "You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice (one who has no training), a

           neophyte (a newly ordained priest), and have served as a coadjutor (worked as a helper),

           confessor and priest, but you have not yet been invested with all that is necessary to command in

           the army of Loyola and in the service of the Pope.

           "You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors;

           for none can command here who has not consecrated (made secret or holy) his labors with the

           blood of the heretic; for ‘without the shedding of blood no man can be saved.’

           "I, _____, now, in the presence of Almighty God, the blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the

           Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles, St. Peter and St. Paul and all the

           saints and sacred hosts of heaven....

           "I, furthermore, promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage

           relentless war, secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to


           "That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulation

           cord, the steel of the poniard (a dagger) or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity,

           or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or

           private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or superior of the

           brotherhood of the holy faith, of the Society of Jesus." [Double‑Cross: Alberto, Part 2, 1981]

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           In addition to the Oath, the Jesuits have a guidebook entitled Secreta Monita. To the author’s

           knowledge it has only been disclosed to the world twice: once in the 1600s and once in the 1800s.

           Because of the magnitude of its contents as it relates to our subject, The Secret Instructions Of

           The Jesuits (1857) is reprinted in its entirety [in Vatican Assassins].

           [Due to the length of this material, we here at The SPECTRUM will only present a few excerpts

           and chapter headings, but this should be sufficient to give you a pretty good idea of what is

           contained within them. For the full presentation, refer to Vatican Assassins. The portions your are

           about to read have not, to our knowledge, been printed in any modern‑day newspaper.

           What you are about to read, The Secret Instructions Of The Jesuits, was first published in 1669

           by the venerable and learned Dr. Compton, Bishop of London. In Vatican Assassins we read:]

           His arguments on their authenticity, and his character as a scholar and divine, are a sufficient

           guarantee that he would never have given his name and influence to sustain a work of dubious

           authority, or calculated to mislead the public.

           We have only to add that the last American edition, published at Princeton, and this one which we

           publish, are taken from the translation which was published in London in 1723, and dedicated to Sir

           Robert Walpole, who was afterwards Lord Orford, and who had the high honor of being prime

           minister of George I and George II.

                                  THE SECRET INSTRUCTIONS

                                        OF THE JESUITS

           Chapter 1: How the Society must behave themselves when they begin any new foundation.

           V. At their first settlement, let our members be cautious of purchasing lands; but if they happen to

           buy such as are well situated, let this be done in the name of some faithful and trusty friend. And that

           our poverty may be the more colorable gloss of reality, let the purchases, adjacent to the places

           wherein our colleges are founded, be assigned by the provincial to colleges at a distance; by which

           means it will be impossible that princes and magistrates can ever attain to a certain knowledge what

           the revenues of the Society amount to.

           VI. Let no places be pitched upon by any of our members for founding a college but opulent cities;

           the end of the Society being the imitation of our blessed Saviour, who made his principal residence

           in the metropolis of Judea, and only transiently visited the less remarkable places.

           VII. Let the greatest sums be always extorted from widows, by frequent remonstrations of our

           extreme necessities.

           VIII. In every province, let none but the principal be fully apprised of the real value of our revenues;

           and let what is contained in the treasury of Rome be always kept as an inviolable secret.

           Chapter II: In what manner the Society must deport, that they may work themselves into,

           and after that preserve a familiarity with princes, noblemen, and persons of greatest


           I. Princes, and persons of distinction every where, must by all means be so managed that we may

           have their ear, and that will easily secure their hearts; by which way of proceeding, all persons will

           become our creatures, and no one will dare to give the Society the least disquiet or opposition.

           II. That ecclesiastical persons gain a great footing in the favor of princes and noblemen, by winking

           at their vices, and putting a favorable construction on whatever they do amiss, experience

           convinces; and this we may observe in their contracting of marriages with their near relations and

           kindred, or the like. It must be our business to encourage such, whose inclination lies this way, by

           leading them up in hopes, that through our assistance they may easily obtain a dispensation from the

           Pope; and no doubt he will readily grant it, if proper reason be urged, paralleled cases produced,

           and opinions quoted which countenance such actions, when the common good of mankind, and the

           greater advancement of God’s glory, which are the only end and design of the society, are

           pretended to be the sole motives to them.

           V. Above all, due care must be taken to curry favor with the minions and domestics of princes and

           noblemen; whom by small presents, and many offices of piety, we may so far byass, (bias) as by

           means of them to get a faithful intelligence of the bent of their master’s humors and inclinations; thus

           will the Society be better qualified to chime in with their tempers.

           VII. Princesses and ladies of quality are easily to be gained by the influence of the woman of their

           bed‑chamber; for which reason we must by all means pay particular address to these, for thereby

           there will be no secrets in the family but what we shall have fully disclosed to us.

           XV. Finally,—Let all with such artfulness gain the ascendant over princes, noblemen, and

           magistrates of every place, that they may be ready at our beck, even to sacrifice their nearest

           relations and most intimate friends, when we say it is for our interest and advantage.

           Chapter III: How the Society must behave themselves towards those who are at the helm

           of affairs, and others who, although they be not rich, are nothwithstanding in a capacity of

           being otherwise serviceable.

           I. All that has been before mentioned, may, in a great measure, be applied to these; and we must

           also be industrious to procure their favor against every one that oppose us.

           II. Their authority and wisdom must be courted for obtaining several offices to be discharged by us;

           we must also make a handle of their advice with respect to the contempt of riches; though at the

           same time, if their secrecy and faith may be depended on, we may privately make use of their

           names in amassing temporal goods for the benefit of the Society.

           Chapter IV: The chief things to be recommended to preachers and confessors of


           VI. Immediately upon the death of any person of post, let them take timely care to get some friend

           of our Society preferred in his room; but this must be cloaked with such cunning and management

           as to avoid giving the least suspicion of our intending to usurp the prince’s authority; for this reason

           (as has been already said) we ourselves must not appear in it, but make a handle of the artifice of

           some faithful friends for effecting our designs, whose power may screen them from the envy which

           might otherwise fall heavier upon the Society.

           Chapter V: What kind of conduct must be observed towards such religious persons as are

           employed in the same ecclesiastical functions with us.

           Chapter VI: Of proper methods for inducing rich widows to be liberal to our Society.

           I. For the managing of this affair, let such members only be chosen as are advanced in age, of a

           lively complexion and agreeable conversation; let these frequently visit such widows, and the minute

           they begin to show any affection towards our order, then is the time to lay before them the good

           works and merits of the society. If they seem kindly to give ear to this, and begin to visit our

           churches, we must by all means take care to provide them confessors by whom they may be well

           admonished, especially to a constant perseverance in their state of widowhood, and this, by

           enumerating and praising the advantages and felicity of a single life: and let them pawn their faiths,

           and themselves too, as a security that a firm continuance in such a pious resolution will infallibly

           purchase an eternal merit, and prove a most effectual means of escaping the otherwise certain pains

           of purgatory.

           IV. Care must be taken to remove such servants particularly as do not keep a good understanding

           with the Society; but let this be done by little and little; and when we have managed to work them

           out, let such be recommended as already are, or willingly would become our creatures; thus shall

           we dive into every secret, and have a finger in every affair transacted in the family.

           Chapter VII: How such widows are to be secured, and in what manner their effects are to

           be disposed of.

           I. They are perpetually to be pressed to a perseverance in their devotion and good works, in such

           manner, that no week pass in which they do not, of their own accord, lay somewhat apart out of

           their abundance for the honor of Christ, the blessed Virgin, or their patron saint; and let them

           dispose of it in relief of the poor, or in beautifying of churches, till they are entirely stripped of their

           superfluous stores and unnecessary riches.

           XIII. Let the confessors take diligent care to prevent such widows as are their penitents, from

           visiting ecclesiastics of other orders, or entering into familiarity with them, under any pretence

           whatsoever; for which end, let them, at proper opportunities, cry up the Society as infinitely

           superior to all other orders; of the greatest service in the church of God, and of greater authority

           with the Pope, and all princes; and that it is the most perfect in itself, in that it discards all persons

           offensive or unqualified, from its community, and therefore is purified from that scum and dregs with

           which these monks are infected, who, generally speaking, are a set of men unlearned, stupid, and

           slothful, negligent of their duty, and slaves to their bellies.

           XIV. Let the confessors propose to them, and endeavor to persuade them to pay small pensions

           and contributions towards the yearly support of colleges and professed houses, but especially of the

           professed house at Rome; not let them forget the ornaments of churches, tapers, wine, and things

           necessary in the celebration of the sacrifice of mass.

           XV. If any widow does in her life‑time make over her whole estate to the Society; whenever

           opportunity offers, but especially when she is seized with sickness, or in danger of life, let some take

           care to represent to her the poverty of the greatest number of our colleges, whereof many just

           erected have hardly as yet any foundation; engage her, by a winning behavior and inducing

           arguments, to such a liberality as (you must persuade her) will lay a certain foundation for her

           eternal happiness.

           XVI. The same art must be used with princes and other benefactors; for they must be wrought up

           to a belief, that these are the only acts which will perpetuate their memories in this world, and

           secure them eternal glory in the next.

           Chapter VIII: How widows are to be treated, that they may embrace religion, or a devoted


           Chapter IX: Of increasing the revenues of our Colleges.

           XV. Let the confessors be constant in visiting the sick, but especially such as are thought to be in

           danger; and that the ecclesiastics and members of other orders may be discarded with a good

           pretence, let the superiors take care that when the confessor is obliged to withdraw, others may

           immediately succeed, and keep up the sick person in his good resolutions. At this time it may be

           advisable to move him by apprehensions of hell, and at least of purgatory; and tell him, that as fire is

           quenched by water, so sin is extinguished by acts of charity; and that alms can never be better

           bestowed than for the nourishment and support of such who by their calling profess a desire to

           promote the salvation of their neighbor.

           XVI. Lastly, let the women who complain of the vices of ill‑humor of their husbands, be instructed

           secretly to withdraw a sum of money, that by making an offering thereof to God, they may expiate

           the crimes of their sinful help‑mates, and secure a pardon for them.

           Chapter X. Of the private rigor of discipline in the Society.

           Chapter XI. How our members are unanimously to behave towards those who are expelled

           from the Society.

           I. Since those that are dismissed, do frequently very much prejudice the Society by divulging such

           secrets as they have been privy to; their attempts must therefore be obviated in the following

           manner. Let them be prevailed upon, before they are dismissed, to give it under their hands, and

           swear that they never will, directly or indirectly, either write or speak any thing to the disadvantage

           of the Order; and let the superiors keep upon record the evil inclinations, failings and vices, which

           they, according to the custom of the Society, for discharge of their consciences, formerly confessed:

           this, if ever they give us occasion, may be produced by the Society, to the nobility and prelates, as a

           very good handle to prevent their promotion.

           VIII. Let the misfortunes, and unlucky accidents which happen to them, be immediately published;

           but with entreaties for the prayers of good Christians, that the world may not think we are hurried

           away by passion: but, among our members, let these things, by all means, be represented in the

           blackest colors, that the rest may be the better secured.

           Chapter XII. Who should be kept, and favored in the Society.

           Chapter XIII. How to pick out young men to be admitted into the Society, and in what

           manner to retain them.

           V. Let them be allured, by little presents, and indulgence of liberties agreeable to their age; and,

           above all, let their affections be warmed with spiritual discourses.

           VI. Let it be inculcated, that their being chosen out of such a number, rather than any of their

           fellow‑collegiates, is a most pregnant instance of divine appointment.

           VII. On other occasions, but especially in exhortations, let them be terrified with denunciations of

           eternal punishment, unless they accept of the heavenly invitation.

           VIII. The more earnestly they desire admission into our Society, the longer let the grant of such

           favor be deferred, provided at the same time they seem steadfast in their resolution; but if their

           minds appear to be wavering, let all proper methods be used for the immediate firing of them.

           Chapter XIV. Of reserved cases, and causes of dismission from the Society.

           Chapter XV. Of our conduct towards nuns and female devotees.


           [It is noted in the pre‑publication copy of Vatican Assassins from which these excerpts are being

           extracted that one of the pages is missing from this section of the instructions.]

           Chapter XVII. Of the methods of advancing the Society.

           I. Let our members chiefly endeavor at this, always to act with humanity, even in things of trifling

           moment; or at least to have the outward appearance of doing so; for by this means, whatever

           confusions may arise in the world, the Society of necessity will always increase and maintain its


           VII. The favor of the nobility and superior clergy, once got, our next aim must be to draw all cures

           and canonships into our possession, for the more complete reformation of the clergy, who

           wheretofore lived under certain regulation of their bishops, and made considerable advances

           towards perfection. And lastly, let us aspire to abbacies and bishoprics, the obtaining which, when

           vacancies happen, will very easily be effected, considering the supineness and stupidity of the

           monks; for it would entirely tend to the benefit of the church, that all bishoprics, and even the

           apostolical see, should be hooked into our hands, especially should his holiness ever become a

           temporal prince over all. Wherefore, let no methods be untried, with cunning and privacy, by

           degrees, to increase the worldly interests of the Society, and then, no doubt, a golden age will go

           hand in hand with an universal and lasting peace, and the divine blessing of consequence attend the

           catholic church.

           VIII. But if our hopes in this should be blasted, and since offences of necessity will come, our

           political schemes must be cunningly varied, according to the different posture of the times; and

           princes, our intimates, whom we can influence to follow our councils, must be pushed on to embroil

           themselves in vigorous wars one with another, to the end, our Society (as promoters of the universal

           good of the world,) may on all hands be solicited to contribute its assistance, and always employed

           in being mediators of public dissensions; by this means the chief benefices and preferments in the

           church will, of course be given to us by way of compensation for our services.

           IX. Finally, the Society must endeavor to effect this at least, that having got the favor and authority

           of princes, those who do not love them at least fear them.

                                              * * *



                                         JESUIT POWER

           The Society of Jesus was thenceforth recognized as the chief opposing force of Protestantism. The

           Order became dominant in determining the plans and policy of the Rowish Church. The

           brotherhood grew and flourished. It planted its chapters first in France, Italy and Spain, and then in

           all civilized lands. The success of the Order was phenomenal. It became a power in the world. It

           sent out its representatives to every quarter of the globe. Its solitary apostles were seen shadowing

           the thrones of Europe. They sought, by every means known to human ingenuity, to establish and

           confirm the tottering fabric of Rome, and to undermine the rising fabric of Protestantism. They

           penetrated to the Indus and the Ganges. They traversed the deserts of Thibet, and said, "Here am

           I," in the streets of Peking. They looked down into the silver mines of Peru, and knelt in prayer on

           the shores of Lake Superior. To know all secrets, fathom all design, penetrate all intrigues, prevail in

           all counsels, rise above all diplomacy, and master the human race, — such was their purpose and

           ambition. They wound about human society in every part of the habitable earth, the noiseless

           creepers of their ever‑growing plot to retake the world for the Church, and to subdue and conquer

           and extinguish the last remnant of opposition to her dominion from shore to shore, from the rivers to

           the ends of the earth." [Ridpath’s Universal History, John Clarke Ridpath, 1899]

                                              * * *


           The Jesuits are the true authors of socialist‑communism. The economic system of the Dark Ages

           was feudalism consisting of the few rich landowners and the many poor peasants. It was a sin to

           make a profit by anyone other than the feudal lords. Thus, if the world is to be returned to the Dark

           Ages, the Protestant middle class must be destroyed. Socialist‑communism accomplishes this,

           having yielded its bitter fruit in both Great Britain and the United States. The great deception is that

           the Jews are the authors of communism. (After all, is not Zionism Jewish communism?) The facts

           are that the Jesuits used their Masonic Jews to introduce it in 1848 and again in 1917 with the

           Bolshevik Revolution.

           The Jesuits then moved their Shriner Freemason FDR to recognize Russia’s bloody government in

           1933. The Jesuits then financed Russian communism with their Knights of Malta on Wall Street.

           This enabled Joseph Stalin to carry out the purges of the Thirties.

           Having deceived the world into believing communism was of Jewish origin, the Jesuits then used

           Hitler to implement "the Final Solution to the Jewish Question"—pursuant to the evil Council of

           Trent. The result was the mass murder of European and Russian Jewry at the hands of the

           Jesuit‑controlled SS.

           At the close of the Second Thirty Years War (1945) the Jesuits, with their Vatican Ratline, helped

           top Nazis to escape to South America. And where in South America? To the old dominion where

           socialist‑communism had been perfected by the Jesuit fathers—to the nation of Paraguay.

           The Jesuits entered Paraguay in the early 1600s, sent by the kings of Spain and Portugal. They

           established their supremacy over the natives called "Guarani Indians" and did not allow them to mix

           with the Spanish or Portuguese. It was among this people that the Jesuits established their

           communes called "reductions".

                                              * * *


                                      THE JESUITS — 1776

           The Jesuits, now formally suppressed by the Pope, were allied with Frederick the Great of Prussia

           and Catherine of Russia. The Jesuit General was in control of Scottish Rite Freemasonry and now

           sought an alliance with the Masonic House of Rothschild in England. To accomplish this he chose a

           Jesuit who was Jewish by race—Adam Weishaupt. Weishaupt was a brilliant instructor of Canon

           Law—the evil Council of Trent—at a Jesuit university in Bavaria. We read:

           "From the Jesuit College of Ingolstadt is said to have issued the sect known as ‘the Illuminati of

           Bavaria’ founded by Adam Weishaupt. Its nominal founder, however, seems to have played a

           subordinate though conspicuous role in the organization of this sect." [Occult Theocracy, Lady

           Queenborough, originally published in 1933]

           On May 1, 1776, the Order of the Illuminati was officially founded in the old Jesuit stronghold of

           Bavaria. The Company would now use the Jewish House of Rothschild to finance the French

           Revolution and the rise of Napoleon the Freemason with his Jesuit‑trained advisor, Abbe Sieyes. In

           spite of the historical writings of the Jesuit Abbe Barruel, who blamed the Rothschilds and

           Freemasonry for the Revolution, it was the Society of Jesus that used these very tools to carry out

           the Revolution and punish the monarchs who dared to expel the Jesuits from their dominions. The

           Jesuits, having been expelled from the Spanish Empire, found refuge in Corsica. From there they

           raised up their great avenger, Napoleon Bonaparte.

                                              * * *

           Lately, it was George Washington who was so beloved by France’s General Lafayette. During the

           Revolution our great chieftain took the "boy General" under his wing for which cause the Frenchman

           named his eldest son, George Washington Lafayette. With this same endearing love the Roman

           Catholic Lafayette warned:

           "It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country, the United States of America, are destroyed, it

           will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous

           enemies of civil and religious liberty. They have instigated most of the wars of Europe."

                                              * * *

           Napoleon was captured by the English and banished to the island of St. Helena. There, his

           Memoirs were written which accurately described his masters, the Jesuits:

           "The Jesuits are a military organization, not a religious order. There chief is a general of

           an army, not the mere father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of this organization is:

           POWER. Power in its most despotic exercise. Absolute power, universal power, power to

           control the world by the volition of a single man. Jesuitism is the most absolute of

           despotisms: and at the same time the greatest and most enormous of abuses....

           "The general of the Jesuits insists on being master, sovereign, over the sovereign.

           Wherever the Jesuits are admitted they will be masters, cost what it may. Their society is

           by nature dictatorial, and therefore it is the irreconcilable enemy of all constituted

           authority. Every act, every crime, however atrocious, is a meritorious work, if committed

           for the interest of the Society of the Jesuits, or by the order of the general." [Fifty Years

           In The Church Of Rome, Charles Chiniquy, 1968, reprinted from the 1886 edition, quoting

           Memorial Of The Captivity Of Napolean At St. Helena, General Montholon]

                                              * * *

           The Knights of Malta and the Jesuits work together!

           (Truth seeker, this may seem irrelevant now, but it is important for you to be aware of this

           connection. As we shall see, the Knights financed Lenin and Hitler from Wall Street, also using their

           Federal Reserve Bank headed by Masonic Jews, Warburg in particular.) The Knights negotiated

           the Concordat (a Papal treaty) between the Pope and Hitler in the person of Franz Von Papen.

           They also helped top Nazis to escape to North and South America after World War II in the

           persons of James Angleton and Argentina’s President Juan Peron.

           In America, the Knights, with their OSS, later the CIA, were behind "Operation Paperclip". After

           World War II, top Nazis and scientists were illegally secreted into the United States. Many were

           placed in the top‑secret military installation in Tonapah, Nevada known as "Area 51". The

           perfection of the Nazis’ anti‑gravity aircraft (flying saucers) was to be completed there, among

           other secret technologies. "Operation Paperclip" was overseen by America’s most powerful Knight

           of Malta, J. Peter Grace. J. Peter Grace was subject to the Jesuit‑trained Archbishop Spellman, as

           the American headquarters for the Knights was and is St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York.

                                              * * *


                                      1816 – JOHN ADAMS

           Our founding Fathers knew of the Jesuit intrigue directed at the new Protestant Republic of these

           United States of America. In 1816, John Adams wrote to President Jefferson:

           "Shall we not have regular swarms of them here, in as many disguises as only a king of the gypsies

           can assume, dressed as painters, publishers, writers, and schoolmasters? If ever there was a body

           of men who merited eternal damnation on Earth and in Hell it is this Society of Loyola’s." [The New

           Jesuits, George Riemer, 1971]

                                              * * *


                                PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN

           A personal friend of Professor Morse believed his warning of this Jesuit conspiracy. He was

           President Abraham Lincoln. We read:

           "The Protestants of both the North and South would surely unite to exterminate the priests and the

           Jesuits, if they could learn how the priests, the nuns, and the monks, which daily land on our shores,

           under the pretext of preaching their religion...are nothing else but the emissaries of the Pope, of

           Napoleon III, and the other despots of Europe, to undermine our institutions, alienate the hearts of

           our people from our Constitution, and our laws, destroy our schools, and prepare a reign of

           anarchy here as they have done in Ireland, in Mexico, in Spain, and wherever there are any people

           who want to be free." [Fifty Years In The Church Of Rome, Charles Chiniquy, 1968, reprinted

           from the 1886 edition]

                                              * * *


                                      The Jesuits — 1868‑1872

           This new nation would be a centralized republic with the President exercising powers of an absolute

           monarch. The old Federal Republic of Washington would be converted into a huge centralized

           Empire, with the ten planks of the Masonic Communist Manifesto replacing the Ten

           Commandments of Moses.

           In order to accomplish this, the Constitution had to be amended—"by hook or by crook". It

           would be amended in accordance with the Masonic cry of both French Revolutions. "Liberty"

           would be the Thirteenth Amendment. "Equality" would be the Fourteenth Amendment.

           "Fraternity" would be the Fifteenth Amendment. We now will examine the Fourteenth

           Amendment, as it was the coup d’etat.

                                              * * *


                                      THE ASSASSINATION

                                    OF PRESIDENT LINCOLN

           Even thought he acted the tyrant in keeping Maryland from seceding and raised the Army of the

           Potomac to "put down the rebellion", there is evidence that he had a change of heart. Accordingly

           to many, Lincoln was converted to Christ after viewing the battlefield at Gettysburg. He later joined

           the Presbyterian Church in Washington and had several spiritual conversations with his close friend

           and converted priest, Charles Chiniquy. We read:

           "I will repeat to you what I said at Urbana, when for the first time you told me your fears lest I

           would be assassinated by the Jesuits: Man must not care where and when he will die, provided he

           dies at the post of honor and duty. But I may add, today, that I have a presentiment that God will

           call me to Him through the hand of an assassin. Let His will, and not mine, be done! The Pope and

           the Jesuits, with their infernal Inquisition, are the only organized powers in the world which have

           recourse to the dagger of the assassin to murder those whom they cannot convince with their

           arguments or conquer with the sword.... It seems to me that the Lord wants today, as He wanted in

           the days of Moses, another victim.... I cannot conceal from you that my impression is that I am that

           victim. So many plots have already been made against my life, that it is a real miracle that they have

           failed, when we consider that the great majority of them were in the hands of skillful Roman

           Catholic murderers, evidently trained by Jesuits. But can we expect that God will make a perpetual

           miracle to save my life? I believe not. The Jesuits are so expert in those deeds of blood, that Henry

           IV said that it was impossible to escape them, and he became their victim, though he did all that

           could be done to protect himself. My escape from their hands, since the letter of the Pope to Jeff

           Davis has sharpened a million daggers to pierce my breast, would be more than a miracle." [Fifty

           Years In The Church Of Rome, Charles Chiniquy, 1958, originally published in 1886]

           [Further along:]

           Of the Jesuit hand in Lincoln’s murder we read:

           "I feel safe in stating that nowhere else can be found in one book the connected presentation of the

           story leading up to the death of Abraham Lincoln, which was instigated by the "black" pope, the

           General of the Jesuit Order, camouflaged by the "white" pope, Pius IX, aided, abetted and financed

           by other "Divine Righters" of Europe, and finally consummated by the Roman Hierarchy and their

           paid agents in this country and French Canada on "Good Friday" night, April 14, 1865, at Ford’s

           Theatre, Washington, D.C." [The Suppressed Truth About The Assassination Of Abraham

           Lincoln, Burke McCarty, 1973, originally published in 1924]

                                              * * *


                                    THE JESUITS — 1945‑1990


           The Great and Terrible Second Thirty Years’ War was now over. Europe, Russia, North Africa,

           China, and Japan were "a universal wreck" thanks to the Company of Jesus. Millions of "heretics"

           had been "extirpated" pursuant to the Jesuit Oath and the Council of Trent. Unlike the Treaty of

           Westphalia ending the First Thirty Years’ War, the agents of the Jesuits controlled the negotiations

           at Yalta and Potsdam ending the second Thirty Years’ War.

           It was time to apply the Jesuits’ Hegelian Dialectic worldwide. It would be known as "the Cold

           War". The thesis and antithesis would be "the Free World in the West" verses "the Communist

           Block in the East". The American Empire would head the West, and the Russian Empire would lead

           the East. Both sides would be financed by the Jesuits’ International Banking Cartel centered in

           London and New York—the Federal Reserve and Chase‑Manhattan Banks in particular.

           The synthesis would be the destruction of the American Empire through the so‑called "ending of the

           Cold War". The illusion of ending the Cold War would legally enable Rome’s Corporate

           Monopolies, federated together in New York City under the leadership of the Council on Foreign

           Relations, to give Russia and China high technology and financial backing. The giving of these

           necessities would perfect the War Machines of both economically communist and politically fascist

           giants for the purpose of invading North America, it containing the majority of the world’s

           Protestants, Baptists, and Jews. It is for these reasons that the financial might of Hong Kong was

           given to Red China, along with an American Naval Base in Long Beach, California. It is for these

           reasons that the Panama Canal, built with American blood, sweat, tears and Yellow Fever, was

           given away to Panama to be manned by Chinese soldiers imperiling the American navy. It is for

           these reasons that the Jesuits in control of Washington have established nationwide gun registration

           for the purpose of nationwide gun confiscation just as they did in Hitler’s Germany. It is for these

           reasons that the Jesuits, with their international corporations managed by the Knights of Malta, have

           financed and continue to build both the Russian and Chinese War Machines, while influencing

           American Presidents to close down scores of military installations across the country. These facts

           spell invasion—massive invasion by millions of foreign soldiers, with no God and no mercy. And if

           the Jesuits can manage to blow‑up the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem and blame the American

           Empire for it, the Arabs will declare a holy war against "the great Satan". The private wealth of

           Americans using International Business Corporations with bank accounts in the Bahamas will be

           seized just as they were in Castro’s Cuba. (The Knights have moved all their wealth into European

           banks denominated in Franks and Marks as well as Eurodollars, thereby escaping the coming

           American economic catastrophe.)

           Meanwhile, as the Jesuits, with their American dictator’s internal police (FEMA) and foreign

           invaders, are "extirpating" "the execrable race" of American "heretics" and "liberals", the European

           nations will be driven to lay down their historic differences and unify.

           This unification will restore the Holy Roman Empire, for which reason the Jesuits are rapidly

           rebuilding Rome. When the smoke clears, China will control the East, Russia will control the North,

           and a unified R.C. [Roman Catholic] Europe will control the West. The Pope’s International

           Intelligence Community will see to it that Jerusalem is declared an international city with Solomon’s

           rebuilt Temple in her midst. World government will ensue and the Jesuits’ "blessed despotism" of

           the Dark Ages will have arrived, with the Pope being the Universal Despot of the World, so

           appropriately described in the Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion, while being the World Authority

           of The Documents Of Vatican II.

                                              * * *


                                        The Jesuits — 1963



           "It is of faith that the Pope has the right of deposing heretical and rebel kings. Monarchs so deposed

           by the Pope are converted into notorious tyrants, and may be killed by the first who can reach


           "If the public cause cannot meet with its defense in the death of a tyrant, it is lawful for the first who

           arrives, to assassinate him." [Defensio Didei, Jesuit Suarez, Book VI. C 4, Nos. 13, 14]

           Freed remembers what apparently passes for polite conversation when men such as Colby and

           Cline get together. "It was quite bizzare" Freed said, "for the subject they chose was, ‘When is it

           acceptable to assassinate a head of state?’ Colby presented what he said was a theological and

           philosophically sound approach. The Catholic Church, he said, had long since wrestled with this

           question and had, to Colby’s mind, emerged with a sound concept: "It is acceptable" he said, "to

           assassinate a tyrant." [Plausible Denial, Mark Lane, 1991, p. 85]

           "A conspiracy is rarely, if ever, proved by positive testimony. When a crime of high magnitude is

           about to be perpetrated by a combination of individuals, they do not act openly, but covertly and

           secretly. The purpose formed is known only to those who enter into it. Unless one of the original

           conspirators betray his companions and give evidence against them, their guilt can be proved only

           by circumstantial evidence...and circumstances can not lie." [Special Judge Advocate John A.

           Bingham, quoted in The Trial Of The Conspirators, Washington, 1865]

           This chapter will examine the forest, not the trees. The hundreds of works covering the

           assassination can be reduced to a few simple facts. These facts viewed in the context of the

           previous chapters lead us to the "Lion" in his "Den of Iniquity" that had the power to execute

           Kennedy’s murder and successfully cover it up. That Lion was the Cardinal of New York and his

           Den of Iniquity was St. Patricks’ Cathedral, "the Little Vatican", and home base of the American

           Branch of the Knights of Malta. From the death of Cardinal Spellman in 1967 until now (1999), the

           succeeding "Lions" having kept the assassination covered‑up were: Cardinal Cooke (himself a

           Knight of Malta) and Cardinal O’Connor, a former Navy Chaplain during Spellman’s Vietnam

           War, and presently the Archbishop of New York.

           Knowing that President Kennedy was not going to escalate the Vietnam War, the Intelligence

           Community began to prepare for his assassination. Roman Catholic Lee Oswald was chosen to be

           a patsy.... As a CIA agent, he had been sent to Soviet Russia by Allen Dulles in 1959, supposedly

           as a defector. Knowing that the CIA (OSS) and the KGB (NKVD) had worked together during

           WW‑II, Oswald apparently took a vacation for nearly two years. During that time he married a

           Russian whose uncle was a Colonel in the KGB.

           When he returned to the American Empire in 1962, he associated with CIA agents Howard Hunt,

           Frank Sturgis, David Ferrie, Guy Banister, Count George DeMohrenschildt, and Clay Shaw.

           Oswald was CIA, and related to a Jesuit. Emannuel Josephson tells us:

           "An interesting angle is presented by the Lee Oswald involvement. His cousin is reported to be a

           Jesuit priest. And it is a matter of record that Lee Oswald was invited to address the Jesuit college

           in Springhill, Alabama, on the subject of his activities, two weeks before the Kennedy

           Assassination. The Jesuit involvement closely parallels that in the Lincoln Assassination." [The

           Federal Reserve Conspiracy And Rockefellers, Emanuel M. Josephson, 1968]

           Jim Garrison clearly proved the CIA was involved in the assassination through Clay Shaw. He


           "...we discovered Shaw’s extensive international role as an employee of the CIA. Shaw’s secret life

           as an Agency man in Rome, trying to bring Fascism back to Italy, was exposed in articles in the

           Italian press.... To me among the most significant revelations were...the confirmation by both Victor

           Marchetti and Richard Helms that Clay Shaw had been an agent of the Central Intelligence

           Agency." [On The Trail Of The Assassins, Jim Garrison, 1991]

           And who was the Director of the CIA in 1963? It was Knight of Malta John McCone. Prior to that

           McCone had been a defense contractor who had formally headed the Atomic Energy Commission.

           Later in 1970, he was a board member of ITT while remaining a CIA consultant. Marchetti tells us:

           "[The] ITT board member who later admitted to a Senate investigative committee that he had

           played the key role in bringing together CIA and ITT officials was John McCone, director of the

           CIA during the Kennedy administration and, in 1970, a CIA consultant." [The CIA And The Cult

           Of Intelligence, Victor Marchetti, 1975]

           Cardinal Spellman’s soldier, John McCone, Director of the CIA, participated in the Kennedy


           Jim Garrison and others have proved that the FBI was also involved in the assassination. He writes:

           "I already had concluded that parts of the local Dallas law enforcement establishment were

           probably implicated in the assassination or its cover‑up. But now I saw that the highly respected

           FBI was implicated as well." [On The Trail Of The Assassins, Jim Garrison, 1991]

           Cardinal Spellman had two agents in the FBI. The first was the Shriner Freemason and

           brother‑Cold Warrior, J. Edgar Hoover. According to Loftus, Hoover had cooperated with the

           Vatican Ratlines resettling Nazi war criminals in the Northeast. Why would he not cooperate with

           Spellman now? How could he refuse?

           More importantly, Spellman’s key man in the FBI was Knight of Malta, Cartha DeLoach. As the

           third in command, DeLoach was in a position to supervise the assassination and suppress evidence.

           Garrison proved DeLoach did in fact suppress evidence.

           After the assassination we see a telling relationship between Johnson and DeLoach. DeLoach was

           known as Johnson’s man in the FBI and the President would call him any time of the day. Curt

           Gentry writes:

           "Lyndon Johnson couldn’t sleep. Late at night he had his aide, Marvin Watson, telehone the

           DeLoach bedroom. The president had suddenly become convinced that the murder of his

           predecessor had been a conspiracy and wanted more information from the FBI." [J. Edgar

           Hoover: The Man And The Secrets, Curt Gentry, 1991]

           This is the Cartha DeLoach who had signed a five‑year contract with Lee Iacocca’s Ford Mercury

           in connection with the series, "The FBI". Both DeLoach and Iacocca were Knights of Malta,

           subject to Cardinal Spellman during the Kennedy assassination. Later DeLoach went on to be a

           director of PepsiCo. And according to Col. Prouty, that company also participated in Kennedy’s

           assassination. We read:

           "Nixon was in Dallas with a top executive of the Pepsi‑Cola Company, Mr. Harvey Russel, the

           general counsel. Nixon was a legal counsel to that corporation. That top executive’s son has told of

           Nixon’s presence in Dallas at the time of the assassination, and Russell has confirmed the accuracy

           of his son’s account. Later, sometime after the shooting, Nixon was driven to the Dallas airport by a

           Mr. DeLuca, also an official of the Pepsi‑Cola Company. In addition, the son of another

           Pepsi‑Cola executive was in Dallas at that time and had dinner with Jack Ruby, Oswald’s killer, the

           night before JFK was murdered." [JFK: The CIA, Vietnam, And The Plot To Assassinate John

           F. Kennedy, Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, 1992]

           DeLoach, Iacocca, and the Knights of Pepsi, now PepsiCo, all worked together.

           At the time of the assassination in Dallas, the Catholic priest, Oscar Shubert, was sent from Holy

           Trinity Catholic Church in Dallas to administer "Last Rites" for the President. Knowing that

           Kennedy’s wounds were wounds of entry, he reported everything to his superior. Shubert’s

           superior was the Bishop of Dallas, then The Most Reverend Thomas Kiely Gorman, DD.

           According to Martin Lee’s article entitled "Who Are The Knights Of Malta?" appearing in the

           October 14, 1983 edition of the National Catholic Reporter, Thomas K. Gorman was a Knight

           of Malta. Being a brother Knight he reported directly to Cardinal Spellman, and kept him appraised

           of what was happening in Dallas.

           At the time of the assassination in Dallas, roughly 12:30 P.M. in the afternoon, all the telephones

           went dead in Washington, D.C. for about 30 minutes. How could this have happened? Someone at

           ITT had to be responsible, as it served the Washington area. In 1963, one of the VIPs of ITT was

           Francis D. Flanagan. You guessed it. Flanagan was a Knight. Later, McCone, with his brother

           knights, coordinated a deal between the CIA and ITT to better work together.

           The author knows there were several Knights of Columbus involved in the Kennedy assassination.

           They were working for the FBI in particular. But the only notable Knight who was involved was

           Senator Edward Kennedy in that, through his silence, he was consenting to his brother’s murder.

           Maybe this is what has driven the perpetual Senator from Massachusetts to his ruined alcoholic life.

           Let us take a few moments to pray for the Senator that he might have a change of heart, that he

           would tell all, and that we might protect him. For he too was subject to the power of Cardinal


           Lastly we know that the Mafia was involved in the Kennedy assassination. The Mafia, CIA, FBI,

           and Office of Naval Intelligence has been working together throughout World War II. Jack Ruby

           was a mafioso and David E. Scheim makes it perfectly clear in his Contract On America that the

           Mob had at least two motives: the Kennedy brothers assault on Organized Crime and the loss of

           the Mob’s gambling paradise in Cuba.

           But those were not the reasons. The Mafia Dons were promised that they would make more money

           than Havana could ever produce, through the explosion of the international drug trade made

           possible by the Vietnam War. If they helped eliminate Kennedy, Johnson would escalate the war

           and, thereby, the drug trade. The CIA would bring the drugs in from the Golden Triangle, distribute

           them to the Mafia families, and both would profit.

           More importantly, the Mafia’s Commission had a favor to repay. Cardinal Spellman, through FDR,

           had arranged the release of "Lucky" Luciano because of "Operation Underworld" mentioned in the

           previous chapter. Now the Cardinal needed a favor. If refused, Spellman could use the entire

           intelligence community which he had helped to organize, to eliminate any mob boss. If agreed to,

           new gambling centers would open up, Atlantic City in particular.

           Clearly, if the President was removed, everybody would acquire more power and wealth, the

           intelligence community would become more absolute, and the Cardinal would be even more

           respected by his peers in Rome. The rest is history.

           Later, in 1964, for the first time in history, the Pope of Rome set foot in Fourteenth Amendment

           America. Cardinal Spellman had performed well and was rewarded by a visit from his Master,

           fellow Cold Warrior and Vatican Ratline handler, Cardinal Montini, who was now Pope Paul VI.

           There is yet another reason for the removal of President Kennedy. He wanted to arm Israel. Loftus


           "In September 1962 Kennedy decided to supply Israel with defensive ground‑to‑air missiles

           capable of stopping aircraft, but not the Egyptian offensive missiles. It was the first arms sale by the

           U.S. Government to Israel.... Kennedy promised the Israelis that as soon as the 1964 election was

           over, he would break the CIA ‘into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds’.... With

           Kennedy’s assassination in November 1963, the Israelis lost the best friend they had in the White

           House since Truman departed." [The Secret War Against The Jews, John Loftus, 1994]

           And why did the Vatican’s Jesuits not want any arms sales to Israel at this time? Why did the

           Jesuit‑controlled President Johnson turn his back as the Egyptian army moved up through the Sinai

           desert to prepare its assault on Israel in 1967? Because the attack upon Israel had to be provoked.

           That attack was provoked by the Jesuits’ International Intelligence Community through Egypt

           falsely perceiving the weakness of the Israeli army and the supposed abandonment of Israel by the

           American Empire.

           The six‑day war, engineered by Knight of Malta James Angleton, had one primary purpose: the

           taking of Jesusalem along with the Temple Mount. The apparent lack of military hardware on the

           part of Israel provoked the planned attack by Egypt. Therefore, Israel launched a preemptive strike

           and, in six days, the holy city was in the hands of Rome’s Zionist government.

           Had Kennedy armed Israel, the Egyptians would never have been emboldened to maneuver for

           war. With no provoked war, there would have been no Israeli attack. With no Israeli attack,

           Jerusalem would never have been taken by the Zionists, controlled by the Jesuits’ Mossad. With

           Jerusalem in Arab hands, the Zionists could never rebuild Solomon’s Temple—unbeknown to

           them—for the Jesuits’ "infallible" Pope "Who opposeth and exalted himself above all that is called

           God, or that is worshiped; so he is God sitteth in the temple of God [Solomon’s rebuilt temple],

           showing himself that he is God." [II Thes 2:4]

           It is safe to say that the Jesuit General, using the Pope with his most powerful Cardinal in the

           American Empire, assassinated President John F. Kennedy in 1963.

           For it was Cardinal Spellman, "the American Pope" in command of his soldiers, the Knights of

           Malta, who oversaw the assassination.

           And it was the Knights of Malta, using the Central Intelligence Agency, who aided in the actual

           assassination of the President. Those Knights were: CIA Director, John McCone, CIA officers

           William F. Buckley, and Henry Luce.

           In 1963, both William F. Buckley and Henry Luce were personal friends of CIA agent Howard

           Hunt. We read from Mark Lane’s Plausible Denial on page 270, concerning Time and Life

           magazines, of which Henry Luce was the owner:

           "I (Howard Hunt) had them typed up on a typewriter (fabricated official cables), and they were

           xeroxed, and the xeroxes were eventually shown to a person of Mr. (Charles) Colson’s confidence,

           and in Time and Life." Hunt, after swearing that he had never been involved in a disinformation

           effort to embarrass Kennedy, had now testified that he had merely sought to doctor and create

           evidence to prove that Kennedy was a murderer.

           Again in Plausible Denial we read of Hunt’s connection with pompous William F. Buckley, Jr. on

           page 207:

           "(G. Gordon) Liddy completed his testimony perfectly, stating that while he no longer associated

           with Hunt, he did see him last, he recalled, when both men demonstrated their support for another

           former CIA officer, William F. Buckley, as Buckley celebrated the anniversary of his television

           show at the New York Yacht Club."

           Dear truth seeker, Hunt was close to both powerhouses, Buckley and Luce. Hunt was also

           working with two of his fellow criminals in the future Watergate scandal, G. Gordon Liddy

           (Jesuit‑trained) and Chuck Colson.

           And in 1985, it was Mark Lane who proved in Miami’s federal court that Hunt was in Dallas the

           day President Kennedy was murdered. Therefore, the conclusion was obvious. The CIA, with its

           agent, E. Howard Hunt, had killed the President. In the words of the jury’s forewoman, Leslie

           Armstrong, found on the inside cover and page 322 of Plausible Denial, we read:

           "Mr. Lane was asking us to do something very difficult. He was asking us to believe that John

           Kennedy had been killed by our own government. When we examined the evidence (for 65

           minutes) we were compelled to conclude that the CIA had indeed killed President Kennedy." Hunt

           had been part of it, and that evidence, so painstakingly presented, should now be examined by the

           relevant institutions of the United States Government, so that those responsible for the assassination

           might be brought to justice.

           Editor’s note: For those of you who may wish to contact Rick Martin by email,

           [email protected] is his new email address.

           Black Pope Pt. 3


Robert Howard Wake Up America/Hard Truth:

Attached is an article which has just been published in The SPECTRUM Newspaper, and which I wrote.  It is a

second, updated interview with the controversial author Eric Jon Phelps, who wrote the newly release book titled

VATICAN ASSASSINS: "Wounded In The House Of My Friends" ‑‑ available through Wisdom Books and Press

877‑280‑2866 ($34.95 plus shipping).  The book also contains a gift CD‑Rom with 13 rare books on the subject of

Jesuit History).  Feel free to post this interview, if you wish.

All the best,

Rick Martin for The SPECTRUM Newspaper

Robert Howard Wake Up America/Hard Truth:

Attached is an article which has just been published in The SPECTRUM Newspaper, and which I wrote.  It is a

second, updated interview with the controversial author Eric Jon Phelps, who wrote the newly release book titled

VATICAN ASSASSINS: "Wounded In The House Of My Friends" ‑‑ available through Wisdom Books and Press

877‑280‑2866 ($34.95 plus shipping).  The book also contains a gift CD‑Rom with 13 rare books on the subject of

Jesuit History).  Feel free to post this interview, if you wish.

All the best,

Rick Martin for The SPECTRUM Newspaper


                              Maniacal World Control Thru

                                      The Jesuit Order

                             Well‑Hidden Soldiers Of Satan

                                         Black Pope pt. 3

                                        The Black Pope Pt.1

                                        7/1/01 RICK MARTIN

                                     ( [email protected] )

     No political event or circumstance can be evaluated without the knowledge of the Vatican’s part in

     it. And no significant world situation exists in which the Vatican does not play an important explicit or

     implicit role. — Avro Manhattan, “Protestant” Knight of Malta, English Historian and Agitator, 1960,

     The Vatican And World Politics.

     The Jesuits offer the world at large a system of theology by which every law, Divine and human,

     may be broken with impunity, and by which the very Bulls of Popes may be defied. It is a ghastly

     religion; it is a religion to be abhorred by all honest and honorable men. — M. F. Cusack, Converted

     Nun of Kenmare, 1896, The Black Pope.

     The Jesuits laugh at us; and during their hilarity, the rattlesnake is coiled at our feet, climbing to

     strike us in the heart. — Edwin A. Sherman, American Shriner Freemason, Friend of Charles Chiniquy,

     1883, The Engineer Corps Of Hell.

You could call Eric Jon Phelps a controversial author. We know him as a consummate researcher, a beloved

friend, and a gentleman who lives his truth. Our readers will know him best as my interviewee in our now infamous

May 2000 issue of The SPECTRUM—the issue that is known far and wide as the “Black Pope” paper.

Eric is also the author of the blockbuster book VATICAN ASSASSINS, an incredibly well researched historical

manuscript which shows the reader, in astonishing detail, where the TRUE diabolical power and control of this

planet resides—at least that controlling layer which is in the physical dimension.

VATICAN ASSASSINS likewise acquaints the reader with a number of priceless old documents and historical

manuscripts that “certain ones” have done their very best to remove from almost all of the world’s library shelves.

Most of these documents are so rare that just getting these back into public access and circulation is a great

service to all students of history thirsty for The Truth.

There has been so much interest in what Eric has to say that we decided to revisit a number of issues and ask

him to answer some dangling questions. After all, the kind of connections which Eric makes are an entire level

deeper than what we are used to hearing in the “conspiracy theory” arena. Moreover, we have noted, with some

degree of surprise and “unveiling” over the past year or so, just who all have come forward to attack Eric’s

work—groundlessly and hysterically (but never to his face). These ones know who they are and have, by their

unprofessional and irrational actions, convincingly revealed just who they really work for, while pretending to be

presenters of Truth!

While it was my intent to focus the majority of the conversation on the present day, there were some

unresolved issues from the past that likewise required clarification. On June 18, 2001, I had an opportunity to sit

down with Eric Phelps, face‑to‑face, and prevail upon him to answer a few key questions. Let’s see what he has

to say.

Martin: Our last interview—the “Black Pope” issue of The SPECTRUM—went around the world a few times. It’s

also been on the Internet for quite some time. The manuscript of VATICAN ASSASSINS has been distributed, but

still no book. What’s happening with the book? Why is it taking so long to come out in book form?

Phelps: The reason why it has taken a year to finalize the book is because there were several historical

mistakes that were corrected by some of the readers of the manuscripts, the first and second manuscripts.

There was a Japanese individual named Toichi [Ryu] who corrected me on some of the Japanese history

regarding the Emperors and the Shogans, for which I thanked him and made the necessary changes.

There were a few other similar changes that I had to make with regard to dates, places, and some times; just

a polishing‑up of the manuscript, so that it’s ready now.

We had one individual who was a Jesuit for 10 years. He got out of the Jesuit Order. He read the manuscript.

He greatly approved of it. And he sent us a list of corrections, which we incorporated into the manuscript. So,

there have been many people who have added their polishing touches to it, for which I am thankful.

[Editor’s note: Wisdom Books & Press (877) 280‑2866 is accepting advance orders for VATICAN ASSASSINS,

the 700‑page book, which should be completed by the second or third week in July. The cost for this huge volume

is only $34.95, which includes a gift CD‑ROM containing 13 rare books mostly “missing” from the world’s library


Martin: I would like to concentrate this conversation largely on the present day. But, before we get to the

present, I would ask you to, once and for all, clarify something for our readers who may be still confused about

The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion.

There have been many sources and many reciting's of The Protocols. They’ve been called a fraud. They’ve

been called a forgery, which means that there was a document that preceded it that it had to be based on.

Everyone seems to point to the Jews, or the Khazars, as the authors of The Protocols, and yet your research

indicates otherwise.

Who, in your opinion, authored The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion?

Phelps: Cardinal Bea was the confessor of Pope Pius XII (Hitler’s Pope), a very powerful Jesuit and Cardinal

within the Vatican. According to Alberto Rivera, when speaking with Cardinal Bea, Cardinal Bea said to him that

The Protocols were written by Jews loyal to the Pope.

I do not believe Jews wrote The Protocols. I do not believe Alberto Rivera was told the whole story, because

he did not have a “need to know”. Withholding information has always been standard procedure for the Jesuits.

I believe men who were loyal to the Pope wrote The Protocols, and the men who were loyal to the Pope who

wrote The Protocols were the Jesuits, according to Leo Lehmann—the ex‑Irish Catholic priest who became

converted to Christ and set‑up the mission there in New York City, Converted Catholics For Christ. He said that

the Jesuits wrote The Protocols, and that this is no new attempt of deception, based on their document that they

wrote concerning their attack on the Jansenists, which was called The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg‑Fontaine.

So, the Jesuits wrote The Protocols like they wrote The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg‑Fontaine, and the

language of The Protocols is identical to The Secret Meeting At Cheiri [1825].

However, I have a quotation from a very brilliant and Godly, born‑again, Bible‑believing, Irish Roman Catholic

priest I referred to a moment ago. He wrote a book entitled Behind The Dictators, first written in 1942, and there

were two editions after that. I have the 1945 edition. Dr. Leo Lehmann says that the Jesuits wrote The Protocols.

But before I get into that, I would just like to read to you who Dr. L. H. Lehmann was.

“He was born in Dublin, Ireland, and received his primary education there from the nuns and Christian brothers.

He began his study for the priesthood at Mungret College, Limerick, and at All Hallows College, Dublin. In 1918, he

went to finish his theological studies at the University of Propaganda Fide in Rome, where he was ordained a priest

in 1921. He later studied at New York University from which he received the degree of M.A.

“After four years as a priest in Cape Town, South Africa, Dr. Lehmann was recalled to Rome to continue

negotiations at the Vatican courts concerning a legal case in which he had been engaged, while a student in

Rome, on behalf of many American bishops and priests against the Jesuits. He later returned to South Africa, but

was transferred to the United States in 1927 and appointed pastor in Gainesville, the university city of Florida. Dr.

Lehmann is now director of Christ’s Mission in New York City and Editor‑In‑Chief of The Converted Catholic


So, here is a born‑again, Bible‑believing man who had been an Irish priest, who had run‑ins with the Jesuits,

who knew EXACTLY what they were all about. When you’re involved in litigation within the Vatican, you know the

law. And you know the history of who you are opposing.

Here is what he had to say about the origin of The Protocols. This is found in his book, Behind The Dictators,

on page 15:

“Although first published in Russia in 1903, The Protocols Of [The Learned Elders Of] Zion had their origin in

France and date from the Dreyfus Affair, of which the Jesuits were the chief instigators. They were planned also

first to take effect in France, by the overthrow of the ‘Judaic‑Masonic’ government of the French Republic. But

the discovery of the gigantic fraud of Leo Taxil, who had been openly supported by the Jesuits, the concluding of

the Franco‑Russian alliance, along with the Vatican’s difficulties with the French government at that time, made it

more opportune to have them appear first in Russia.

“These Protocols of supposedly Jewish leaders are not the first documents of their kind fabricated by the


“For over a hundred years before these Protocols appeared, the Jesuits had continued to make use of a similar

fraud called The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg‑Fontaine against Jansenism—an anti‑Jesuit French Catholic

movement among the secular clergy.”

Phelps: I might also add that the Jansenists were what we would call, really, Catholic Calvinists. They believed

in the sovereignty of God. They believed in justification by faith. They believed in many Biblical doctrines, and

therefore the Jesuits hated them and later got the Pope to issue a Bull against them.

The Jesuits so hated the Jansenists, of which Blaise Pascal was one, that they concocted this document, The

Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg‑Fontaine, against them.

Martin: What year was this?

Phelps: This was in the 1600s, I believe, in France. It may have been the late 1600s, because Blaise Pascal

wrote his Provincial Letters in the later 1600s.

[Editor’s note: Eric brings to our attention a VERY interesting person here, much like the great Nikola Tesla of a

few hundred years later. Blaise Pascal, 1623‑62, was a great mathematician, physicist, theologian, and

man‑of‑letters, born in Clermont‑Ferrand, France. In 1647 he invented a calculating machine, and later the

barometer, the hydraulic press, and the syringe. Until 1654 he spent his time between mathematics (remember

Pascal’s triangle and other intriguing mathematical and geometric discoveries?) and the social round in Paris, but a

mystical experience that year led him to join his sister, who was a member of the Jansenist convent at Port‑Royal,

where he defended Jansenism against the Jesuits in Lettres Provinciales, 1656‑7.]

Now, I’ll go back to my reading:

“The analogy between the two forgeries is perfect—the secret assemblage in the forest of Bourg‑Fontaine; the

plan of the ‘conspirators’ to destroy the Papacy and establish religious tolerance among all nations; the alleged

plot against Throne and Altar, and the setting up of a world‑government in opposition to the Catholic Church.

There is the same dramatization of the negative pole of the historic evolution of the world, in order to bring out,

by contrast, the positive Christian [Catholic] pole, around which all conservative forces—the monarchy, the

aristocracy, the army, the clergy—must gather to save the world from Satan’s onslaught.”

Phelps: Is this not identical to The Protocols? Except in The Protocols, it’s Communism. Both documents want

a world government, under someone other than the Pope. So, it betrays the Jesuit hand throughout, in The

Protocols, based upon The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourge‑Fontaine; and furthermore, after this document, The

Secrets Of the Elders of Bourge‑Fontaine, the next major document that we have is Leone’s The Jesuit

Conspiracy—The Secret Plan Of The Order, which was published in 1848.

In this document, Jesuit Leone was 19 years old and a novitiate in Cheiri, Italy, where he, when he was

snooping around in a back room, became trapped when Jesuit General Roothaan and his provincials came in

another room and he listened to this conversation between the General and his provincials—in the mid‑1830s,

around 1834—and while he was hiding, he was taking notes.

They betray that the Jesuit General was intent upon setting‑up a World Government by controlling the Roman

Catholic hierarchy, the Pope, all the monarchies, and thus all the governments of the world. And that is in Leone’s

great work, The Jesuit Conspiracy, published in 1848.

It was published in several languages. It went all throughout Europe, which contributed to the people rising‑up

against the power of the Jesuits in 1848, with the Second French Revolution. But that revolution was controlled,

the leadership of it was controlled, and the end result was more power for the Jesuit Order in Europe.

Martin: You mention that The Protocols were an outgrowth of the Dreyfus Affair [1890s]. And prior to that we

have the Council of Trent [twenty‑five sessions of the Council of Trent from 1545‑1563]. Can you put this in


Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits were busy creating Jewish hatred in Germany and in France in the late 1800s. There

was a man referred to in Ridpath’s Universal History Of the World—I only found this here—he called his work “the

solution to the Jewish question”. Hitler came along, later, and had the FINAL solution to the Jewish question. So,

they were fomenting anti‑Jewish hatred in Germany, and they were fomenting anti‑Jewish hatred in France.

Martin: Who are they?

Phelps: The Jesuits. The Jesuits were fomenting this in both countries because, at this time, the Jesuits had

been expelled from Germany in 1872, and they had been expelled from France in 1880. So now they’re going to go

after the Jews through their agents in these two countries.

In France, they started the Dreyfus Affair, and that was in the 1890s. The Dreyfus Affair had several purposes.

It was to create anti‑Semitism—anti‑Jewish hatred in France.

I hate to use the word anti‑Semitism. There are many Semites other than Jews. And it was also calculated to

create war with Germany, because Captain Dreyfus was accused of treason in handing secrets over to the

German government. It was all a frame.

He was completely framed. He was sent to Devil’s Island for 10 years, and suffered the horrible tortures of

Devil’s Island for that period of time. And then, later, when he was brought back, he was vindicated and found

“not guilty”, and the Jesuits were blamed for having done this. So this became universally known in France, which

ultimately caused the Jesuits to be expelled, again, in 1901.

The Dreyfus Affair is a major European conspiracy with the Jesuit hand, against the Jews, attempting to foment

a war between France and Germany. Because, remember, the French hated the Germans as a result of the

trouncing that they got in the Franco‑Prussian War of 1870. And they wanted vengeance for that.

So, we play on the people’s vengeance, create this issue between Germany and France, we use the Jews to do

it so we can get some anti‑Jewish fervor going, which ultimately manifests itself in 1942 with the Vichy

government in France, when they help the Nazis round‑up all the Jews in France and send them to Auschwitz.

And it’s at that time, in 1942, in the Petain, that the Jesuits were formally readmitted into France. That’s the

significance of the Dreyfus Affair.

Martin: And what is the significance of the Council of Trent in relation to all of these?

Phelps: The Council of Trent puts heretics—which us Bible‑believers are, all Protestants and all Jews—puts all

of us under more than 100 curses because of what we believe:

We believe in justification by faith.

“Accursed be all who believe in justification by faith.”

We believe that Baptism is simply an outward sign of salvation, and that it is not necessary for salvation.

“Accursed be all those who believe that.”

We believe that, when we eat of the Lord’s supper, the bread and the wine are NOT the literal body and blood

of Christ, as the Council of Trent teaches, therefore we are accursed because we do not believe in


And we also believe that man has a right to his own judgment. He has a right to read the Bible and make his

own decisions as to what it means; that the Bible should be in the language of the people, because this the

foundation of freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press.

All of these things in the 4th session of the Council of Trent are condemned, anybody who believes in: freedom

of speech, and freedom of conscience, and freedom of the press.

So, those maxims of the Council of Trent are brought into The Protocols when The Protocols condemn freedom

of conscience; they condemn freedom of the press; they condemn national governments and national


You see, Bible‑believers, we believe in national sovereignty.

We do not believe in World Government.

We believe America should be governed by Americans.

We believe Japan should be governed by Japanese, etc.

We do not believe, we do not want, a European Union.

We do not want a combination of governments under Centralized Government.

We believe in national sovereignties, which is the reason why the South seceded and left the United States,

because they wanted to set‑up their own national sovereignty; it was a Protestant maxim upon which they


Ok, so Trent effects The Protocols. Trent effects The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourge‑Fontaine. Trent effects

The Secret Plan, written by Leone in 1848. And hence, now we have the doctrines of Communism effecting Marx

and his Communist Manifesto, because Marx was tutored in the British Museum BY JESUITS.

Martin: Who was behind the Council of Trent, The Secret Plan, etc. Who were the men behind these,


Phelps: Well, Diego Laynez went on to be the Jesuit General after Loyola; Laynez was the second Jesuit

General. He was the MASTER‑MIND of the Council of Trent. Laynez was a Jesuit by allegiance, and a Jew by race.

This is very important. And it’s the result of Laynez being a Jew, when this was brought to light in 1593, that the

Order passed a statute that NO JEW COULD EVER BE IN THE JESUIT ORDER AGAIN. This is VERY important. This is

why Weishaupt was not a Jew. It was against the constitutions of the Order for a Jew to be in the Order.

Martin: And what relation does Weishaupt have to all of this?

Phelps: Weishaupt was the promoter of the Illuminati, with the House of Rothschild, for the punishment of the

Catholic monarchs of Europe, and the Pope, for suppressing the Jesuit Order.

So, Weishaupt did not act alone. Weishaupt was under the supervision, at least initially, of Jesuit General Ricci,

who died in 1775 in Italy. Weishaupt was under orders.

Martin: Who is Jesuit General Roothaan?

Phelps: Jesuit General Roothaan was the General of the Society from the 1830s to the mid‑1850s. Jesuit

General Roothaan was the one who oversaw The Secret Plan At Chieri, of which Leone overheard and then wrote


Martin: So this is KEY to what we are talking about?

Phelps: Extremely key.

Martin: And who is Peter Beckx?

Phelps: Peter Beckx was the Jesuit General in the late 1800s and early 1900s. He was the one who gave the

order and oversaw the sinking of the Titanic.

Martin: Let’s talk about that now. Why have you drawn the historical conclusion that the Jesuits sank the


Phelps: Because they benefited. And they were present, on site, on the ship, prior to it’s sinking. When we

have a powerful organization that is working together, such as the Jesuit Order, and the power that they had

prior to their suppression, and that they had never changed, and they are still working toward a World

Government under the Pope, we look for the Jesuit Order in these national crises that arise—and in this issue, the


We must ask the question: Even though we can’t place where they are at the moment, did the Jesuit Order

benefit from this? And the answer is: Yes, they did.

They benefited because it paved the way for the establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank, which they own

and control, by proxy, through the Knights of Malta, with their various trusts and so on. They never own anything

outright; they always own it through a trusted third party.

How do we know that the Jesuits control the Federal Reserve Bank? Because the Federal Reserve Bank was

used to finance the second “Thirty Years War”—from 1914 to 1945—in which everything that transpired fell out

for the benefit of the Vatican, everything.

Then, of course, when we discover that the most powerful man in Ireland, the Jesuit Provincial Francis M.

Browne, was on the Titanic taking pictures of all those who would be going down. And then, right before it

departs Queenstown, Ireland, to set out for the North Sea, “the lucky priest departed off the ship” in the words

of Martin Sheen, who narrated Secrets Of The Titanic.

It was more than luck; it was planned that way. Martin Sheen has been to the Jesuit Novitiate at St. Jacques,

in Warnersville, Pennsylvania. Martin Sheen is a bosom buddy of the Jesuits.

The men who went down were wealthy Jews who were resisting the establishment of a centralized bank in

America, particularly John Jacob Astor, who was a personal friend of Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. And

Brandeis greatly resisted the establishment of the central bank.

Martin: Astor, Guggenheim, and Straus were three Jewish men who went down with the Titanic. Why do you

focus so much of your attention on Astor?

Phelps: Astor was the wealthiest Jew in the world, some say the wealthiest man in the world. But he was,

most definitely, the wealthiest Jew. He did not have more money than the Pope. But he was the wealthiest man in

the world and he was using his wealth NOT in accord with the Jesuit Order.

Now, later, his son, John Jacob Astor IV, became part of the money trust, which can be found on the Internet;

and so the Jesuits had access, now, to the Astor fortune. They control it now. But, at that time, they got rid of

Astor because they wanted his fortune, and they wanted to end his resistance to the establishment of a national

bank. And they do this pursuant to The Secret Instructions, that they will take the fortunes of widows and other

people who resist them.

And that is what they did in Eugene Sue’s The Wandering Jew. That story revolves around a French Protestant

family, the Renneponts, and the Jesuits killing‑off every member of the Rennepont family, so that they can have

the fortune when it would be opened up at a certain day, at a certain time in Paris. And the man who held the

fortune in trust was a Jew. So, that’s why they got rid of Astor.

Martin: What was that quote from the movie JFK about the Titanic?

Phelps: I believe Oliver Stone was overseen by the Jesuits, who control Hollywood. And, therefore, a lot of the

lines were authored by Jesuits.

One of the lines authored by the Jesuits was when Garrison was sitting at the table and he said: “People, we’ve

got to start thinking differently. We’ve got to start thinking like the CIA. White is black, and black is white.”

That is DIRECTLY from Ignatius Loyola’s Spiritual Exercises. [Ignatius Loyola was the founder of the Jesuit Order

in 1540.] When he tells the people that they believe the hierarchical Catholic Church and believe white is black

and black is white, if the hierarchy says so. That’s right out of the Spiritual Exercises.

Well then, when one of the associates, Bill, of Garrison’s staff, is approached by an FBI agent, and the FBI

agent is trying to win him over to their side, that FBI agent says: “There’s going to be millions of people who are

going to die. Besides, you’ve got to get away from Garrison. He’s going down with the Titanic.”

That is a clue, right there, that the same men who were behind the Kennedy assassination, attempting to

frustrate Garrison’s investigation, were the same men who sunk the Titanic.

Martin: I’m looking at the front‑page headline from a little‑known rag‑sheet, and the current headline that I’m

reading says: “Khazarian Zionists Are The Anti‑Christ.” Now, what can you explain to our readers about who might

be behind such a headline, and what is the AGENDA of such a headline?

[Editor’s note: Some of you readers who may be familiar with the publication should know that Rick is referring

to the June 13, 2001 issue of the CONTACT newspaper.]

Phelps: We know that the Jesuits, in their agendas, hate the Jews.

And you add: “Eric, you say that the Jesuits set up Zionist Israel.”

The Jesuits control the Masonic Jewish Zionists who control Zionist Israel. They HATE the Jewish race. And

when I speak of Jews, I’m not speaking of Judaism. I’m not speaking of their evil religion, that openly and

notoriously rejects Jesus as the Messiah; even Josephus realized Jesus was the Messiah.

I’m talking about the RACE. And when I’m speaking of the Jewish race, I’m speaking of the descendants of

Jacob, through his 12 sons, and their physical descendants. That’s what I mean when I speak of the Jews.

Many, many Orthodoxes today believe there is no such thing as the Jewish race. They are in error about that,

because in Romans IX, X, & XI, it speaks specifically about the Jewish race, that Christ was a Jew; that Christ

spoke in John, Chapter IV, we know whom we worship for salvation is of the Jews.

So, he identified himself as a Jew. The Apostle Paul identified himself as a Hebrew of Hebrews, an Israelite, etc.

So the terms Jew, Israelite, and Hebrew are all synonymous terms; they are the physical, racial descendants of

Jacob. And, therefore, the Abraham covenant and promises apply to them, and they have not been fulfilled to this

day. They are in the great diaspora—they are in the great dispersion.

And so, Satan, not wanting them to inherit these promises, has set‑out to destroy the Jewish race any way he

possibly can. And his greatest tool in the destruction of the Jewish race is the Jesuit Order.

Martin: Are you saying that this headline that I just read to you has an agenda behind it?

Phelps: Absolutely.

Martin: And what is that agenda?

Phelps: The agenda is to create world‑wide anti‑Jewish fury, in every nation of the world, so as to drive all

the Jews back to Israel for their final annihilation when the Jesuits bring in the armies of the Earth and when the

anti‑Christ, the risen Pope, brings in the armies of the Earth in his last, mad attempt to destroy all of the Jews, so

that they cannot inherent the promises given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Martin: If there is an intelligence community behind this publication, it’s easy enough to draw the conclusion,

from what you’re saying, that the Jesuits, who control the intelligence community, would be specifically behind

this agenda to foment hate and agitation against the Jewish race.

Phelps: Absolutely. Especially the American Jews, because there are more American Jews, here in this country,

than there are in Israel. And one of their agendas in the next 10‑20 years is to create anti‑Jewish fury, and to

drive the American Jews back to Israel, killing millions of them, as well, here, because they’re planning to bring

their Roman Catholic Fascist dictator to power—just like they did with Hitler in Germany; just like they did with

Stalin in Russia; just like they did with Franco in Spain; just like they did with Mussolini in Italy. They have the

same exact agenda here. They’re going to do it through the Republican, “New Right” party, of which George Bush

is now the head.

Martin: At one point, you made a comment privately concerning the Right‑Wing militia movement possibly being

influenced with another agenda. Can you talk about that?

I’ll just say up‑front that this is going to strike at the heart of many people’s belief system. And some may have

difficulty with what you say.

Phelps: The Right‑Wing militia groups—the posse comitatus, etc., Ku Klux Klan, the Minutemen, they all have

one thing in common: they all hate the Jews. That puts up a flag for me. And if they all hate the Jews, that tells

me that they have been imbibed, or indoctrinated, with hatred for the Jews. They all hate the Jews; and as an

aside, so do the Black Moslems [Muslims]. Louis Farrakhan openly hands‑out The Protocols Of The Learned Elders

Of Zion and blames all our problems, and all the Black man’s problems, on the Jews.

So, the Right‑Wing posse comitatus groups are all controlled by the Jesuits because they are all anti‑Jew, and


Martin: Wouldn’t you say that most of the groups just don’t have a clue about the Jesuit Order?

Phelps: Not their leadership. A lot of these groups have Catholics in them. There’s not a Catholic around who

doesn’t know the power of the Jesuit Order, in their educational power, and the power of government.

We have Drinin in Congress; we have McLaughlin who was writing speeches for Nixon for $35,000 a year. We

have Jesuits all throughout the government. There’s not any intelligent Roman Catholic who’s involved in these

Right‑Wing Movements who doesn’t know the power of the Jesuits.


So, this Timothy McVeigh thing—is that what we’re leading to?

Martin: Well, no, but go ahead.

Phelps: This Timothy McVeigh thing—here’s another Irish Roman Catholic sacrificed, just like Kennedy, for the

sake of attempting to create a national backlash or agitation against the Right‑Wing Movement people, because a

lot of the Right‑Wing Movement people are true patriots who want their liberty; they want to maintain their guns;

they want freedom to educate their children as they wish; they’re decent people, but they are not aware that

the leadership is controlled by the Vatican.

So, the Jesuits in control of Clinton fomented the Oklahoma City bombing to justify going after these

Right‑Wing, conservative, many of them Bible‑believing, people in this movement, for their round‑up and

extermination. But it didn’t quite work.

So, they imploded the building. They got rid of Timothy McVeigh. That whole execution could have been stayed

with one phone call from the Archbishop of New York to the Bishop of Oklahoma City, and he wouldn’t do it.

That was the purpose of the Oklahoma City bombing, the creation of anti‑Right‑Wing feeling. And the people at

the top, controlling the Right‑Wing organizations, will betray their own people, just exactly as the White Russians

were betrayed during the Communist Revolution from 1917‑1922.

Their own leadership will betray them—just as Hitler betrayed his armies to the East, cut‑off supplies, would

not allow them to take Moscow, froze them in the snows of Russia; just as Napoleon betrayed his armies in the

East, abandoned 250,000 men; that’s exactly what’s going to be done to our Right‑Wing patriotic people who are

the only bulwark against tyranny in this country today.

Martin: We’re almost to the present day. But, before we get to the present day, let’s stop for a minute, once

again, and talk about JFK’s assassination. I’m going to mention a few names, and then let’s talk about the Jesuit

influence behind that assassination and the reasons why.

John McCone, head of the CIA; Cardinal Spellman, Archbishop of New York; Henry Luce; Carthe DeLouche; and

E. Howard Hunt. Why are these names important? What are their relationships? And WHY would you point the

finger at someone like the Archbishop of New York, Cardinal Spellman, of all people, to place the responsibility for

the JFK assassination directly at the Vatican? How can you justify that?

Phelps: We know we’re looking at a conspiracy, so we ask the question, again: Who benefits? Who benefited

from the death of JFK? Well, we know, according to the works of the great Fletcher Prouty, JFK was going to end

the Vietnam War in 1965. We also know that JFK was going to end the reign of the CIA, and all of their military,

covert operations were going to be handed‑over to the Army Chiefs of Staff. Therefore, the CIA benefited, and

those who wanted the Vietnam War benefited.

We now must ask the question: Who wanted the Vietnam War? Well, we know that many factions did, but we

see, openly and in our face, Cardinal Spellman wanted the Vietnam War. Cardinal Spellman’s man in Vietnam was

Diem. Diem was a fascist Roman Catholic, persecuting the Buddhists. And his brother was head of the Secret

Police. So, Diem was Cardinal Spellman’s man in Vietnam. Diem was assassinated because Kennedy withdrew the

CIA representative out of Saigon.

The other thing is, Cardinal Spellman, throughout the Vietnam War, would travel over there at the war‑front

and he’d call the soldiers the “soldiers of Christ”, according to Avro Manhattan, in his great work Vietnam: Why

Did We Go? So, Cardinal Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, and if Cardinal Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, the

Pope wanted the Vietnam War, and if the Pope wanted the Vietnam War, the Black Pope wanted the Vietnam

War, the Jesuit General.

Martin: Who was?

Phelps: Jean Baptiste Janssens. He died in 1964. From 1964 to 1983 or so, it was Pedro Arrupe.

Martin: So you’re saying that Janssens had an agenda.

Phelps: Jean Baptist Janssens had an agenda, and that agenda was to annihilate as many Buddhists as

possible, because the Buddhists have always been the enemies of the Jesuits. When the Jesuits took Japan in

1873, what did they do? They outlawed, they made it so that the government of Japan would not support the

Buddhist religion anymore. Buddhism has ceased to be the state religion. So they’ve always been the enemy of

the Buddhists.

The other thing about the Vietnam War is that it created a $220 billion dollar debt for the American people, and

that debt was incurred by the Congress, who borrowed that money from the Jesuits’ Federal Reserve Bank.

So the Jesuits made big money. They killed lots of “heretics”. They preserved the CIA.

Because, remember: the CIA was initially founded and set‑up by one particular man, Reinhard Gehlen, who was

a Nazi General, who was Hitler’s most sinister General. And so, he incorporated all of the Nazi intelligence

apparatus into the CIA in the West. It was also incorporated into the KGB in the East. They were called “Freedom

Fighters”; they were really working for the KGB, these SS, Nazi men. If the Jesuit General controlled the KGB, he

controls the CIA.

Kennedy was getting in the way. Kennedy also did not want the voucher system for public schools, of which

George Bush is a great promoter. The Vatican wants the American taxpayer to pay for Catholic schools because,

remember, Roman Catholicism, left to itself, without government support, crumbles. It has nothing to offer. There

is no freedom of speech, no freedom of press.



They are simply to obey their hierarchy, and in America that’s not good enough. Catholic people don’t want

that in America. Catholic people, for the most part, enjoy freedom of press, and freedom of speech, and freedom

to make a profit; all of those things the Vatican does not want. A case in point is all of South America and Central


Martin: Well, why do you think—other than the fact that there have been 100‑200 people killed who knew

anything about the JFK assassination—why do you think it’s never come out?

Phelps: Because the American branch of the Knights of Malta, of which McCone was a member, Henry Luce

was a member, William F. Buckley was a member, Lee Iacocca was a member, Cartha DeLoach of the FBI was a

member, etc. They control the press! And they controlled CBS, at that time, with a man named Frank

Shakespeare, who was a Knight of Malta. The Knights control ABC, CBS, and NBC, and Time/Life; that’s why

Time/Life attempted to destroy the Zapruder film.

I might also add, throughout the publication of “The Black Pope” interview we did back in May 2000, and my

first two manuscripts since that time, there has not been one Roman Catholic who has emailed me, or attempted

to contact me in any way, denying that Cardinal Spellman did this; not one. But we have several clandestine

Jesuits who are in complete agreement, and who admit that this is exactly what was done.

Martin: Let me ask you about Opus Dei. We’ve been accused of hiding Opus Dei in the background as being the

real power behind the Vatican, and therefore, the power over the Jesuits. Have we conspired to withhold the

mention of Opus Dei in our discussions?

Phelps: No. Opus Dei is a subordinate organization to the Pope, who is in control of the Knights of Malta, and

therefore there are Knights of Malta in Opus Dei.

The Jesuits control Opus Dei through the hierarchy of the Pope and through the Knights of Malta. Opus Dei is

composed of prominent Roman Catholic businessmen and politicians who have given themselves over to “God’s

work”—that’s what Opus Dei means—for making the Pope the Universal Monarch of the world, ruling the world from

Solomon’s rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.

An example of this is the former head of the FBI, Louis Freeh, was a member of Opus Dei.

And so, we now understand the Waco incident, where those White Protestants were killed; it was the work of

the Opus Dei. And we also have to remember that the sharpshooter, one of them there, was a Japanese Roman

Catholic, Lon Horiuchi.

But Opus Dei is determined to create a World Government under the Pope. Opus Dei was created in the 20th

Century, whereas the Knights of Malta were created in the 11th Century, and the Jesuits were created in the

16th Century, in 1540, with Ignatius Loyola.

So, the super‑secret society of the Jesuit Order, in control of the Knights of Malta, were in existence nearly

500 years before Opus Dei. Opus Dei, like the Knights of Columbus, is a subordinate organization to the Jesuit


Martin: Ok, now that we have some of these things put temporarily to rest—until the book comes out!—let’s

talk about the present day.

There are a few things happening that everyone needs to be aware of and concerned about. I’ll just mention a

few countries, and then we can begin: Israel, Cuba, China, North Africa, and Japan. What’s happening with our

relationship with these countries? How are we going to be sucked‑in to a conflict? And what are the ramifications

going to be? Lines in the sand are being drawn, alliances are being created between powerful nations, and why

should we be concerned about that?

That’s a big question.

Phelps: That’s a big question. I’ll try to deal with a piece at a time, if I may.

I’m going to start with the 14th Amendment American Empire that was established in 1868 after the Jesuit

Order destroyed the Federal Republic or the Confederate Republic of sovereign nation states that Washington

established in 1789.

The Jesuits have used the 14th Amendment American Empire to restore the temporal power of the Pope over all

nations around the world for the last 100 years. And that’s why they have garrisoned American troops throughout

the world. That’s why they have laid upon us an iniquitous and sinful federal income tax, with which they finance

these crusades around the world.

So, their American Empire has served them well in the restoration of the temporal power of the Pope around the

world, especially over Orthodox Russia, Buddhist China, Buddhist Japan, South and Central America through the

CIA; this is the purpose for the British and America Empires. They used the British Empire in the 19th Century to

do this, and they used the American Empire in the 20th Century to do this. So they take the most powerful

Protestant empires, and the wealthiest, harness their governments, and use such for their own purposes.

Alright, now that America has been used for its purpose, it is time to destroy it. And we must remember that

America is the haven for the Jews of the world, which the Jesuits have accursed; it is the haven for

Bible‑believing Protestants, called “heretics”, who the Jesuits have accursed; and it is the haven for peoples of

many, many different races who simply want to have some liberty in life, which are called “liberals”, which the

Jesuits have accursed.

The United States is a refugee nation, made up of many, many nationalities now. We are no longer a White,

Anglo‑Saxon, Protestant nation, as we were. We are composed of a host of different nationalities, with a host of

religious beliefs, and thus this nation has been fragmented and agitated and is a disconcerted mess, with no real

national purpose anymore.

The Jesuits have fired‑up the Negro agitation of the Civil Rights Movement. They continue to fire that up with

Hollywood, with such movies as Roots, etc.

They don’t tell the whole story of Malcolm X. He was an agitator to begin with. When he came back from

Mecca, he changed his story and denounced the Nation of Islam, along with the Ku Klux Klan, stating that “they

both had the same paymasters”. And he was absolutely right. They have agitated and broken apart this country,

so we have no more national purpose.

The next thing that they’ve done, they’ve disarmed us. They’ve closed‑down over 100 military bases. We have

no domestic defense. The foreigners, the Mexicans come across the borders by the thousands, and the major

corporations hire them, and they do their work for them, which is all illegal. It should be punished by law. But we

have no punishment by law in this country anymore.

So we have the reign of crime. We have all of these illegal immigrants. We have the destruction of the White

race. When this nation ceases to be White, it will cease to be great, because there is not a nation in the world

that’s a nation of color that can compete on the international scale of business and trade and commerce; they

can’t do it.

A nation that was once White, but is now a nation of color, is Cuba. Cuba used to be a prosperous, beautiful

place, but now, with all the amalgamation and inter‑racial marriage, it’s 95% Black; it’s under a Roman Catholic,

Jesuit‑trained Dictator named Fidel Castro; and it is a miserable place to live. And that is EXACTLY what this

country is going to be like if it continues on the track it is now on.

The Jesuits have determined to destroy this American Empire that they have used for the last 100 years. So

what they are doing now is, they are going to break apart the Empire.

And how are they doing this? Well, one of the things they’ve done is they’ve created this issue where an

American submarine hit this Japanese fishing boat, killing all the Japanese on the boat, I believe, and the skipper

was court‑martialed. But nonetheless, it was a deliberate act of murder, because with that kind of technology on

a submarine, you just don’t hit a boat. And you just don’t have some civilian driving the submarine either. That’s

ridiculous. So they are creating agitations with nations like Japan, with this incident.

They’re creating deliberate agitation with nations like China, with the bombing of the Chinese Embassy in

Belgrade. They’re creating agitations with China, Japan, which will ultimately result in Japan and China uniting.

With the military power of China, with the economic power of Japan—when already Hong Kong has been given to

China, which now, because of that financial might, China is able to take control of the Panama Canal; they control

the canal locks through Hutchen Wimpoa, a Chinese corporation. They are now building the largest shipping dock

in the world in the Bahamas, owned by the Red Chinese. The Red Chinese now have the Long Beach Naval

Station, which is now Cosco.

So they are in a position now to be able to establish a beach‑head when they invade.

The thing is: Does China have the fleet to do it? No, China doesn’t have the fleet right now to do it, but Russia

does. Russia has the largest merchant marine fleet in the world. And we are very much deceived into thinking that

China and Russia are enemies. They are not enemies; they work together. They are controlled by the same Jesuit

Order. The Jesuits run Peking; they also run Moscow. They run the dictator of China and they run the dictator of

Russia. It doesn’t matter who he is. It doesn’t matter what their names are. The Jesuits control them, and if they

resist them, they’re out! Just like in the United States.

So, they’re breaking apart the American Empire. They’re creating a huge coalition of Oriental nations for our


Now, let’s talk about Africa. There are 700,000, as I understand it, Chinese troops in Somalia. Chuck Colson,

one of the conspirators in the Kennedy assassination and the Watergate cover‑up, is now the false Bible‑believer,

the false Protestant. He’s working for the Jesuits because the head of his prison fellowship is a Roman Catholic.

Colson now is being used to try to get an American military force into the Sudan to save these Black Christians,

who in fact are Black Roman Catholics. If that is accomplished, if that is done, we are now going to have a large

military force in the Sudan, and there’s a large military force in Somalia. What do you think it would take for those

two military forces to clash?

And if those military forces clash, we will have an escalation in Africa, which I believe is what the Jesuits want.

Because, if that happens, there can be a surgical strike into Jerusalem for the blowing‑up of the Dome of the

Rock. The Moslems, the Muftis, have known that was the intent of the Zionists for years, the blowing of the Dome

of the Rock, so that Solomon’s Temple can be rebuilt. And you can find this information in Pierre van Paassen’s

great work, written in 1939, called Days Of Our Years. So, with this coalition with the 14th Amendment American

forces against the Chinese forces in Africa, this could happen.

Now, what would happen as a result of the destruction of the Dome of the Rock? Well, the Moslems regard the

Dome of the Rock as the third most important holy place in their religion. They would call for a Jihad against “The

Great Satan”, the United States. And with a Jihad, a Holy War, against the United States, they would then go

across Africa to West Africa. There will probably be a coalition of ships ready at that time, to be ferried across

the Atlantic Ocean into Cuba. And Cuba will be the landing base, the staging base for the invasion of the

Protestant American South, the last real Protestant bastion of liberty in the world.

Remember: according to the Koran, it is no murder to kill a Christian; in fact, it is a virtuous act.

So, here we’d have all of these Moslem troopers, millions of Moslem troopers will be landing in Miami, landing in

New Orleans, landing in the South of the United States, coupled with a Cuban military force, coupled with,

probably, also a Chinese military force coming from the West Coast, and coming up through the Panama Canal to

unite with them in the attack of the American South. With the blood bath that will ensue, this whole coalition of

nations: China, Russia, Cuba, the Arabs, they will carry out the destruction and annihilation of this North American

population, WHICH INCLUDES CANADA; it definitely includes Canada.

It is for this reason, because the government is controlled by the Jesuits, the government of the United States

is seeking our total disarmament and the abolition of all gun ownership. This is why the Jesuit Conference, for

years, has been anti‑gun‑ownership, meaning handguns, rifles, and shotguns.

So, to have the American people completely disarmed, our military cut way down, we have no Navy any more,

really, to speak of; we have no Army—it’s a totally demoralized Army, with this forced integration; and we have

Black supremacy in the Army.

I was there, in Germany, for 3 years. I watched it with my own eyes. So, we have a demoralized American

Army that doesn’t know what to fight.

Martin: Let me just jump‑in here to say that Bush is beefing‑up the military, reversing what was done

previously by Clinton. How can you say we have a weak Army when we’re about to spend billions beefing up our

defenses? Is this just a show?

Phelps: That’s just a show. Because the Jesuits who controlled Clinton are the same Jesuits who control Bush.

And remember, we were already scaling‑down with Carter and Reagan and Ford.

And so, this whole idea of re‑armament, it might be for some super‑system of preventing missiles from coming

in, an anti‑ballistic missile system, but that’s ridiculous, because we know there is no such thing as universal

nuclear war. We have no evidence that incoming nukes can detonate a specific target.

We don’t know EXACTLY what transpired at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but they have contorted that into the

hoax of thermo‑nuclear war, which I do not believe can happen. Bruce Cathie doesn’t believe it can happen;

William Cooper doesn’t believe it can happen; and other physicists don’t believe it can happen. Other physicists

don’t believe it’s possible, which now limits us to a standing army of men who know how to fight, which we do not

have. We don’t have it anymore.

So, with all of these hordes of invaders coming in, and a disarmed population, it would be a piece of cake.

Remember that Spain was invaded by 4 million Moslem troopers. They landed in the Canary Islands, and from the

Canary Islands they then invaded Spain, and they were led by a Roman Catholic Archbishop who was backing

Franco! This is in the 1930s.

If they did it in the ’30s, won’t they do it now? And if they used Moslems to kill Orthodox Serbians just recently,

in the 1990s, wouldn’t they use Moslems to kill Protestant Americans? If they used Moslems to kill Roman Catholic

Spanish, wouldn’t they do the same thing here? Sure they would. So that’s what is happening in the United


Martin: What just happened in Europe with Bush going over there and theoretically being given a hard time by

the European community? What do you see happening in Europe right now?

Phelps: Well, not believing the press is our first maxim of reading.

Remember, a unified Europe is a Vatican brainchild. That all originated with the Jesuits in the Vatican for the

reuniting of the Holy Roman Empire, which our friend Leo Lehmann said is exactly what the Jesuits wanted in

1942—a reunited Holy Roman Empire with a Catholic Germany at it’s core.

Martin: And you base all of your conclusions just on this one person?

Phelps: No, no, no, no—this is a certain topic, and he adds to the color we’re given.

Martin: I know that, but I asked the question that way because not all of our readers will be aware of the

extent of the bibliography supporting the contentions of your research in VATICAN ASSASSINS.

Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits want a unified Europe. The Bible‑believers of England are greatly resisting it, but the

Jesuit‑controlled Tony Blair will, ultimately, bring England into that Union. And Bush is helping to co‑ordinate that,

because the Federal Reserve Bank, the largest bank in the world, is one of the greatest contributors, or players,

in international trading.

Martin: Are you saying that Alan Greenspan is a pawn of the Jesuit Order?

Phelps: Absolutely. Alan Greenspan is a Masonic Jewish Zionist and a pawn of the Jesuit Order. And the Jesuits

are very careful to have visible Jews at the head of the Federal Reserve System so they can blame all the evils of

the Federal Reserve Bank on the Jews.

We’re never told, for example, that the head, right now, of the most powerful Federal Reserve Bank—because

there are 12 of them—in New York is a man named McDonough. He’s an Irish Roman Catholic. He’s a member of

the Council on Foreign Relations. He’s a friend, a bosom‑buddy of O’Hare, who is the President and Jesuit of the

4th Vow of Fordham University.

Why are we not told that about the Federal Reserve Bank? It’s always Jews, Jews, Jews. Jews are just pawns.

They’ve always been the bankers for the Pope. The Masonic Jewish bankers are the bankers for the Pope. And

before the Rothschild's, it was the Fuggers.

Martin: Who are the College of Cardinals who choose the Pope?

Phelps: The College of Cardinals is REALLY the Roman Senate. The Pope is really the Caesar. And so this

military Caesar is elected by Roman Senators, as to who will be their leader for World Government under the 7th

Roman Caesar, who’s yet to come. And so, the ones who do the electing are the Cardinals.

Martin: Now, those who see the current Pope see a very frail man. Has he served well? Is that why he’s been

allowed to stay on so long?

Phelps: He’s done very well. He’s served the Jesuit Order perfectly. This supposed rift between him and Arrupe,

and suppressing the Jesuits with their Liberation Theology in Central America, is all for public consumption. That

Pope is completely emasculated with regard to the power of the Jesuit Order.

The Jesuit Order has proven its power with the Napoleonic Wars, the killing of Pope Pius VI, the imprisoning of

Pius VII, the restoration by Pius VII.


Just like Hitler fashioned his Third Reich around the Papacy, the Secret Police or the SS were modeled after the

Jesuits, and the Jesuits are the Secret Police of the Vatican Empire. They keep things in order. Without the Jesuit

Order, the Vatican and the Papacy and the hierarchy would fall apart.

Martin: Who issued the Papal Bull suppressing the Jesuit Order?

Phelps: Pope Clement XIV.

Martin: Let’s talk about that.

Phelps: Pope Clement XIV was a Franciscan. His name was Ganganelli. He was elected Pope due to the

influence of the Bourbon monarchs—the Bourbon King of Spain, the Bourbon King of France, and the Braganzas of

Portugal. Those insisted that a Pope would be brought to power who would suppress the Jesuit Order, because

the Jesuits were busy making billions in South America, and never gave a dime to the Portuguese King and the

Spanish King.

Martin: How were they making money in South America?

Phelps: They were making money in South America with their Reductions.

Martin: What are Reductions?

Phelps: Reductions are like communes; they’re like a Kibbutz in Israel or a commune in Russia.

Martin: And what years are we talking about.

Phelps: We’re talking between 1600‑1750, roughly 150 years of these Reductions, where these Garani Indians

were putting hides and tallow and clocks and the Paraguay herb and many, many commodities into international

shipping and trade—which the Jesuits shipped all around the world with their “Black Ships”, and had HUGE

commercial profits with which they started banks in Europe and then funded wars. And one of the projects that

they funded were the Napoleanic Wars.

Martin: This Pope, Ganganelli, suppressed the Jesuits with a Papal Bull?

Phelps: That’s right. Dominus Ac Redemptor. That was the Bull. That is its formal name.

Martin: What is a Bull?

Phelps: A Bull is a legal document that the Pope speaks within his most powerful method of speaking. It’s

sealed with “the seal of the fishman”. A “brief” does not have that seal. A brief is a less powerful document; it

can be overruled with a Bull.

Martin: So, this Pope, in 1773, issued the Bull eliminating the Jesuit Order forever?

Phelps: Forever! After a 4‑year investigation of all their intrigues, of all their power, of all their wealth, of all

their buildings, everything, after a 4‑year investigation they were abolished by Clement XIV. And, remember,

Clement XIII was about to do the same thing when, the night before, he was poisoned.

So, Clement XIV was brought to power then and, after a 4‑year investigation, he suppresses them. And when

he did so, he said: “This suppression will be my death.”

Martin: And it was.

Phelps: And it was—14 months later, he died. He was poisoned by the Jesuits with a poison called Aquetta.

It’s a slow poison that caused his intestines to have terrible, terrible pain. And when he was embalmed, the

intestines exploded and they could not have an open‑casket for viewing this Pope. The flesh fell off of his fingers;

his fingernails turned black; his skin turned black; all his hair fell out; so they decided they could not have an open

display of the Pope in his garb. So they had a closed casket.

Martin: So, this Papal Bull, which was a PERMANENT dismantling of the Jesuit Order, was later overruled?

Phelps: Right.

Martin: Now, how can a permanent disbanding of the Order be overruled at all?

Phelps: The Jesuits came out and said this was not a Bull. Even though, according to Thompson in his

Footprints Of The Jesuits, and according the Cusack’s The Black Pope, even though they said it was a Bull, and

Thompson said it was in the Library of the Bulls in Rome, even though it’s a Bull, the Jesuits came out and said it

was a brief. And, therefore, Pope Pius VII, upon their restoration, he instituted a Bull restoring the Jesuits, which

“overruled the brief”. That’s what they teach.


Martin: Ok, we’re jumping all over the place here, but we’re just going to go with the flow. How did the Jesuits,

in England, issue their instructions to the Queen? Where is their seat of power in England, specifically?

Phelps: I believe their seat of power in England is Stonyhurst University. An English Lord, Thomas Well, gives

Stoneyhurst to the Jesuits in, I believe, 1795—about the time of the French Revolution and just before the

Napoleonic Wars.

Stonyhurst became their seat, their fortress from which they would control England. And they were brought

into England and helped at that by King George III. King George was the bosom‑buddy of the Jesuits. And the

English monarchs have been their bosom‑buddy ever since. King George reigned for quite a few years; I believe he

reigned for nearly 40 years. And Victoria enjoyed the very same thing; she ruled from 1837‑1901.

So, through the rule of George and Victoria, they completely controlled England through Stonyhurst. Today

they run England through the Royal Institute for International Affairs. And the Cardinal, who they rule through, is

the Archbishop of Westminster.

So, they have the Archbishop of Westminster in England, and they have the Archbishop of New York in the

United States. They rule England through Stonyhurst. They rule the United States through Georgetown and

Fordham. They rule England through the Royal Institute for International Affairs. They rule the United States

through the Council on Foreign Relations.

It’s an identical system in both countries because it is an Empire. It is a Vatican Empire. That’s how they rule.

In Russia, they rule Moscow through the Patriarch of the Armenian Church. So, the Patriarch is like the

Archbishop in London and New York. And it’s the Patriarch, there in Moscow, who oversees the KGB and the

inquisition there, called the gulag. Agagianian was the Patriarch who was appointed a Cardinal by Pope Pius XII,

the very same year, 1946, that Cardinal Spellman was made Cardinal for the American Empire.

Martin: How does the Mafia figure into all of this?

Phelps: The Mafia is run by Italian Roman Catholics, Sicilians primarily. And the Mafia takes care of all organized

crime. They took care of the booze, before it was legalized. They took care of prostitution, the drug running, gun

running, all the crime is organized by the Vatican, through the Mafia families—the five Mafia families of New York.

It’s interesting that the Mafia Commission out of New York is in the same location, and not far from, the

Archbishop of New York. So the Archbishop is very close to his mob bosses.

Spellman used his mob bosses in the invasion of Sicily, using Lucky Luciano, called Operation Underworld. Here’s

Spellman working with Lucky Luciano for a “successful Naval invasion” of Sicily, for which reason he is influential

and causes the release of Lucky Luciano in 1946 to go back to Italy. So we have the relationship of Cardinal

Spellman and the mob. And if Cardinal Spellman had that power, every Cardinal afterward has the same power.

They don’t lose any power.

Now, one of the most obvious connections between the Archbishop of New York and the mob is Frank Sinatra.

Frank Sinatra was a good bosom friend with Gambino. Gambino was murdered with a vaccination, with a flu shot.

They wanted him out of the way, so they murdered him with a flu shot. Frank Sinatra was also a Knight of Malta,

who is subject, then, to the Archbishop of New York. So, you have the Archbishop controlling the Knights of

Malta. Frank Sinatra is one of them, and Frank Sinatra is a good friend of a mafia don.

Martin: Let’s talk about Princess Diana. Do you think the Jesuits were behind her take‑out?

Phelps: Absolutely, because the Jesuits control the British Secret Service.

Martin: Let’s talk about Princess Diana. Why was she a threat to the Jesuits?

Phelps: She was a threat in that if she had married a Moslem, Dodi Fayed, that would have overturned the

Throne of England, because she still had rights through her children. Because her sons would one day occupy the

British throne, and if she is alive with a Moslem Prince as a husband, we have a problem in England. Because

everybody knows that the Queen Mother, really, has a lot of control over the King. And there would have been an

Islamic, Arab influence on the Queen, who would influence her son, who would be King, who is now Prince.

Martin: So you think that the powers that be, within the Jesuit Order, knew that she was pregnant with Dodi’s


Phelps: I believe so; and that’s why they got rid of her—absolutely. And they sent a message to all the other

British nobility by saying: “If you do this, we’re going to do the same thing to you.” Furthermore, they buried her

in the cemetery, on the Windsor property, where only dogs are buried. She’s buried with dogs.

Martin: What kind of symbolism is that?

Phelps: Because she was a “Moslem dog” in their eyes.

Martin: In the recent June, 2001 issue of The SPECTRUM, we shared an article from Sherman Skolnick in which

he not only mentions the Jesuits, but he talks about the incredible financial influence, and power, and control in

California and elsewhere by the Japanese Mafia, called the Yakuza. Is there any relationship between the Yakuza

and the Jesuits?

Phelps: Absolutely. The Jesuits control the Yakuza. To understand this, we have to go back in the history of

Japan. Japan had, wonderfully and righteously, expelled the Jesuits from their Empire around 1619, give or take a

few years. The Jesuits were forbidden to ever enter Japan!

The Japanese, then, kicked‑out the Portuguese; they kicked‑out the Spanish. The only ones who could ever

trade with Japan were the Dutch, the Protestant Dutch. Well, when the Jesuits were beginning to get control of

our country, they got control of Polk. And Polk was responsible for the sending of Commodore Perry to Japan.

Martin: What year?

Phelps: 1853‑1854. He then opens up Japan to international trade. So now “foreigners” can enter into Japan.

Foreigners then began an agitation and a revolution in Japan. The reigning Emperor of Japan, who was a young

man about 35, wanted to get rid of the Jesuits and these foreign powers, so he was assassinated.

According to Ryu Ohta, my friend in Japan, the Japanese had been taught that he was killed by Sassoon

House—the Jews. But the Emperor was really killed by the Jesuits, because the son of this Emperor later went on

to rule Japan from 1873 to 1912, and this Emperor was the grandfather to Hirohito.

This Emperor was a young boy at the time he came to power. He ruled for all those years. The Jesuits during

that time dis‑established the Buddhists as a state religion, and made tremendous inroads in power in Japan,

controlling the Dynasty, because they were going to use Japan to foment a war with the United States for the

purpose of eliminating as much Buddhism as they could from the Far East, and weakening the American

Protestants, and many other purposes, such as killing off Protestant missionaries in the Far East—whereas the

Japanese Army never persecuted the Catholic missionaries. And this is according to the Jesuits’ own magazine

America, written and published in 1943 or 1944.

This is where the Jesuits got their power over the Emperor, and thus the Yakuza. So now, the Jesuits have

that power, they maintain that power. They maintained power over Hirohito. And thus, they have power over the

Yakuza today, in Japan and California.

Martin: There was a book written many years ago called Tai Pan. Now, would a Tai Pan, symbolically, be the

equivalent of the Black Pope?

Phelps: Sure. It’s a Secret Society. It’s a Japanese Secret Society that really rules.

Martin: Theoretically they would rule independently.

Phelps: They rule together with the Monarch.

Martin: Which would be the real Black Pope?

Phelps: The Black Pope. Remember, the Black Pope is in control of the Monarch of Japan.

Martin: We need to explain to our readers that the Jesuit Order is NOT a religious order, it is a MILITARY


Phelps: It is a military order. When they dawn religious garb to get into a country to talk about Christ and God

and so forth, they really want to capture the power and wealth of every country, to submit every country to the

temporal, Earthly, political power of the Pope.

Martin: I don’t want to get too far off‑subject here, but would you say “As with the Jews, so with the


Phelps: Correct. As with the Masonic Jewish Zionists, so with the Masonic Yakuza. They’re all Masonic. Masonry

unites all religions into one.

Martin: And behind the scenes the Jesuits are pulling the strings?

Phelps: Pulling the strings because they wrote all of the Masonic rites.

Martin: For our Masonic scholars out there, on what do you base that?

Phelps: We know that, according to several citations I reference in the book VATICAN ASSASSINS, the Jesuits

wrote the first 25 degrees of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry, from the College of Clermont, which was changed to

the College of Louis LeGrand, in Paris, France.

Martin: What year?

Phelps: 1754. That is a fact. The Jesuits wrote those rites.

Martin: Do you have any names behind that?

Phelps: Oh, I believe Chevalier Ramsey was, Chevalier de Bonneville was one. Remember the Bonneville

automobile, and Pontiac? Those were Jesuits. And we have Adam Weishaupt, who was a Jesuit, who was a

Mason. And it was the Rothschild Luciferians. So we have many dovetails of the Jesuits being Freemasons.

And we know, according to our hero Alberto Rivera, that Pedro Arrupe was a Mason, and Pedro Arrupe was a

Jesuit General. Pedro Arrupe was a Mason AND in the Communist Party of Spain when he was a Jesuit General.

So, we also know that the Jesuits were involved in the writing of the last 8 degrees of Scottish Rite

Freemasonry, with Fredrick the Great in Prussia, while Fredrick protected the Jesuits and gave them the ability to

live in his country, while they were being suppressed by the Pope.

Martin: Let’s circle back around to the Yakuza. According to Skolnick, the Yakuza own many, many businesses

in this country, many, many banks are owned and controlled in California and elsewhere by the Yakuza. Now, are

you saying that’s just a front?

Phelps: They’re just a front, like any other Mafia, like the Italian Mafia, which is the foremost Mafia in

organized crime.

Martin: Which J. Edgar Hoover said “Didn’t exist.”!

Phelps: Which he said didn’t exist. It’s all baloney. It is just a front. They hold the property, they hold the

money for the Vatican.

Martin: So the Yakuza would be the 3rd trusted party that we talked about?

Phelps: That’s right, they’re the 3rd trusted party. And I tend to also believe that there is some kind of hand

involved in the murder of Bruce Lee with this. Bruce Lee was not going along with the Catholic Church.

Martin: And he was giving away secrets.

Phelps: He was giving away martial arts secrets, and so on, and he was not going along with the Vatican.

Remember, he had a rift with Hollywood, and most of his films were made in Hong Kong.

Martin: And his son was also killed not long ago.

Phelps: His son was then killed on a movie‑making set also. So his son knew something. And evidently, just like

Jackie Kennedy, Linda Lee doesn’t open her mouth. So there are two murders here that the Secret Societies are

involved in.

Martin: You don’t talk too much about Bobby Kennedy. Has your research uncovered any names behind Bobby

Kennedy’s assassination?

Phelps: Well, we know that Officer Thane Eugene Cesar really pulled the trigger, shot him in the back of the

head with a twenty‑two. And Officer Cesar was an employee for Lockheed Corporation. The Jesuits, according to

Avro Manhattan, control Lockheed.

So, just as Lee Iacocca dispatches his security chief to drive the bullet‑ridden limousine of Kennedy from

Washington to Cincinnati to get repaired, even so, some Knight of Malta in charge of Lockheed Corporation, I

don’t know who it was, dispatches Officer Cesar to be a guard of Robert F. Kennedy—who then, in turn, shoots

and kills him. And Sirhan was a scapegoat, just like Oswald was a scapegoat.

Martin: What do you have to say about Earl Warren?

Phelps: Earl Warren was in the hands of the Jesuits when he was the governor of California. Earl Warren was

one of the sinister individuals behind that evil and terrible Japanese concentration camp system. That was his

brainchild. He was behind the anti‑Jap agitation in World War II.

The Japanese are decent, law‑abiding, peaceful people, for the most part. They had all their farms taken from

them. They were in control of all of the produce, and they had it all stolen from them by Roman Catholic, Knight of

Malta‑controlled corporations—just as was done to the American Indian. They went into their burial grounds and

stole all their gold, and used their missions to send it back to Rome.

So, Earl Warren was a part of this. He was a good boy, so they named him and put him on the Supreme Court.

He was the Chief Justice.

He was a 33rd‑degree Freemason involved in the Kennedy assassination, forced amalgamation, forced

race‑mixing with the Supreme Court decision in 1966, forced integration with the Brown vs. The Board Of

Education in 1954.

Martin: I’m going to ask you now a very important question, one that will be on the minds of many people:

Why should our readers not feel that you are merely substituting the word JESUITS for JEWS in terms of

fomenting hatred and animosity toward Jesuit people? Why is that not so?

Phelps: Well, first of all, there’s a tremendous difference between the Jesuit Order and the Jewish race.

We don’t know exactly who the Jewish race is. I sure don’t know. I think only God knows who it is. But it’s a

civilization of people who are engaged in commerce and trade, and they have cultures, they have communities.

Jesuits are an army. They’re soldiers. They’re under oath. When you become professed of the 4th Degree, they

give you The Secret Instructions.

According to another gentleman, he says there’s a degree beyond the 4th Degree, where it’s absolute

Luciferianism. This is according to Jim Arrabito, who died mysteriously in a plane crash in Alaska on September 2,

1990. Jim Arrabito was one of the chief guys in the Seventh Day Adventists, and he was a master of Jesuit

history. You can get his videos, Secrets Of The Jesuits, from L.L.M. Productions.

But anyway, the difference between the Jews and the Jesuits is strictly—one is a people, and one is an Order

determined to subvert all nations to the jurisdiction of the Pope.

And, in light of the documents that I provide with the book version of VATICAN ASSASSINS—I have over 4,000

pages on CD‑ROM, with four distinct different histories showing the history of the Order—that’s exactly what they

were doing then, and that’s exactly what they’re doing now.

Martin: So what’s different about what you’re saying? Rather than just being another wild conspiracy theory,

it’s your position that you’ve really proven that this is a fact, and not fantasy?

Phelps: Other men have proven the fact. I just reiterate what they’ve said.

If you read The Black Pope, by Cusack, she says the very same thing. She was a nun, a converted nun to

Christ in 1896.

Martin: And why is she so important?

Phelps: Because she was a nun intimately involved with priests, and especially Jesuits, prior to her conversion

to Christ. She would know; she was on the inside.

Martin: Why is that book so important?

Phelps: Because it has been suppressed and stolen out of every library in the world! There is only one in

existence that I know of, that’s publicly accessible, and that is in the British Museum.

It’s also accessible on the CD‑ROM included with the book VATICAN ASSASSINS, for those of your readers who

would like it. But, other than that, it’s a suppressed document. Griesinger, Thompson, Cusack, Nicolini—those are

the four major histories of the Jesuit Order, and all four are on the CD‑ROM [along with a number of other rare and

otherwise “missing” research documents].

Martin: So you’re saying that the time‑lines that you put forth, and the conclusions that you draw, are really

based on historical experts over the last two centuries? This is not just your position?

Phelps: Absolutely. I’m standing on the shoulders of giants, as a little cricket. These people are brilliant and

Godly. Nicolini, an Italian Roman Catholic, converted to Christ, involved in the Italian Revolution of 1848, had to

flee for his life, was in exile in England, and there he wrote his great History Of The Jesuits, warning England that

if the Jesuits sought to destroy England under Elizabeth, they would surely do the same thing under Victoria.

Martin: And they have.

Phelps: And they have. We have the great Theodor Griesinger, who was the great German who wrote The

Jesuits as a history told by the German people—823 pages of meticulous documentation of all their doings in all

the countries. And he was the one, I learned, who said the Jesuits could very well be planning a second

Thirty‑Years War, another Thirty‑Years War. And he wrote that, the second edition was in 1873.

[Editor’s note: And remember that the second bloody and diabolical “Thirty‑Years War” did indeed happen,

between 1914 and 1945, as Eric mentioned earlier in this interview in conjunction with financing it through the

setting up of the Federal Reserve Bank fraud.]

So, these learned people have made quite clear and quite evident the purpose and power of the Jesuit Order.

We haven’t had anybody in the 20th Century write an extensive history of what they’ve accomplished from

1900‑2000. I would hope that somebody who knows these histories, who knows grammar and spelling and is able

to write nice prose (unlike myself) would be able to do this, and write a real modern history of this. Ridpath came

close to it, but he ended his work in the mid‑1850s, with his Ridpath’s Universal History [Of The World]. We have

not had a significant historian do this modern work for us.

Martin: And why is that?

Phelps: Because these Jesuits have all these colleges and universities bought and paid for! And these

universities won’t get grants if they start to expose the Jesuit Order.

Now, with all these “hate crime” laws, anything truthfully said about the Jesuit Order will generate attempts to

contort it into some kind of a hate crime, which is NOT what we’re doing. We are merely telling the truth.

Martin: What is your solution to the Jesuit problem in America? What would you like to see, ultimately, happen

in this country?

Phelps: In this country, what I would like to see happen is exactly what happened in England in the 16th

Century, when several Jesuits left the Order. They were intelligent, powerful Jesuits, involved in the conspiracy to

overthrow England.

They told the powers‑that‑be about what they were supposed to do, and as a result, the government of

England expelled the Jesuits from their dominions, because they were regarded as traitors and conspirators in the

overthrow of legitimate government—of self‑rule, of nationalism; a country should be ruled by its own people.

The solution here would be the expulsion of the Jesuit Order, that they would be outlawed and banned.

There would be period of grace where certain Jesuits could come forward, tell what they know. But why would

the Jesuits want to do that when this government is controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations, which is

controlled by the Jesuits? The government is controlled by the Jesuits through the mob and high‑level


Martin: Proposing the expulsion of the Jesuits, the difference between that and racial persecution, such as

with the Jews, yours is based on treason, which is a lawful conclusion based on your research concerning what

their true aims and objectives are—namely, the overthrow of this government.

Phelps: The usurping of this government, the controlling of this government for their own purposes. And then

using this government, with a coalition of other governments they control, for the annihilation of the “heretic” and

“liberal” population of this country, pursuant to the Council of Trent, that every Pope swears upon his coronation

to uphold.

Martin: Thank you so much for taking this time to clarify these many points about the Jesuit Order. Our

readers will really appreciate this as you offer much food for both thought AND action!

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The Black Pope & Meyer Amschel Rothschild

“Vatican II affirms Catholic doctrine dating back to 1302, ['Unam Sanctam'], when Pope Boniface VIII asserted that “it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

This was the inspiration for the papacy to create the United States of America that materialized in 1776, by a process just as secret as the Reagan‑ Vatican production of  Eastern Europe in 1989. What? American government Roman Catholic from the beginning?”

“Consider: the land known today as the District of Columbia bore the name ‘Rome’ in 1663 property records; and the branch of the Potomac River that bordered ‘Rome’ on the south was called ‘Tiber’ (Scharf, History of Western Maryland, Baltimore (1882), p. 27‑30).

“This information was reported in the 1902 edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia's article on Daniel Carroll. The article, specifically declaring itself ‘of interest to Catholics’ in the 1902 edition, was deleted from the New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967).

“Other facts were reported in 1902 and deleted from the 1967. For example, when Congress met in Washington for the first time, in November, 1800, ‘the only two really comfortable and imposing houses within the bounds of the city’ belonged to Roman Catholics. One was Washington's first mayor, Robert Brent. The other was Brent's brother‑in‑law, Notley Young, a Jesuit priest.”

“Daniel Carroll was a Roman Catholic congressman from Maryland who signed two of America's fundamental documents, the Articles of Confederation and the United States Constitution. Carroll was a direct descendant of the Calverts, a Catholic family to whom King Charles I of England had granted Maryland as a feudal barony. Carroll had received his education at St. Omer's Jesuit College in Flanders, where young English‑speaking Catholics were trained in a variety of guerrilla techniques for advancing the cause of Roman Catholicism among hostile Protestants.”

“In 1790, President George Washington, a Protestant, appointed Congressman Carroll to head a commission of three men to select land for the “federal city” called for in the Constitution. Of all places, the commission chose “Rome,” which at the time consisted of four farms, one of which belonged to ...Daniel Carroll. It was upon Carroll's farm that the new government chose to erect its most important building, the Capitol.”

“The American Capitol abounds with clues of its Roman origins. “Freedom,” the Roman goddess whose statue crowns the dome, was created in Rome at the studio of American sculptor Thomas Crawford. We find a whole pantheon of Roman deities in the great fresco covering the dome's interior rotunda: Persephone, Ceres, Freedom, Vulcan, Mercury, even a deified George Washington. These figures were the creation of Vatican artist Constantino Brumidi.”

“The fact that the national Statehouse evolved as a “capitol” bespeaks Roman influence. No building can rightly be called a capitol unless it's a temple of Jupiter, the great father‑god of Rome who ruled heaven with his thunderbolts and nourished the earth with his fertilizing rains. If it was a capitolium, it belonged to Jupiter and his priests.”

“Jupiter's mascot was the eagle, which the founding fathers made their mascot as well. A Roman eagle tops the governing idol of the House of Representatives, a forty‑six‑inch sterling silver‑and‑ebony wand called a “mace.” The mace is “the symbol of authority in the House.” When the Sergeant‑at‑arms displays it before an unruly member of Congress, the mace restores order. Its position at the rostrum tells whether the House is in “committee” or in “session.”

“America's national motto “Annuit Coeptis” came from a prayer to Jupiter. It appears in Book IX of Virgil's epic propaganda, the Aeneid, a poem commissioned just before the birth of Christ by Caius Maecenas, the multi‑billionaire power behind Augustus Caesar. The poem's objective was to fashion Rome into an imperial monarchy for which its citizens would gladly sacrifice their lives.”

“Fascism may be an ugly word to many, but its stately emblem is apparently offensive to no one. The emblem of fascism, a pair of them, commands the wall above and behind the speaker's rostrum in the Chamber of the House of Representatives. They're called fasces, and I can think of no reason for them to be there other than to declare the fascistic nature of American republican democracy. A fasces is a Roman device.

“Actually, it originated with the ancient Etruscans, from whom the earliest Romans derived their religious jurisprudence nearly three thousand years ago. It's an axe‑head whose handle is a bundle of rods tightly strapped together by a red sinew. It symbolizes the ordering of priestly functions into a single infallible sovereign, an autocrat who could require life and limb of his subjects. If the fasces is entwined with laurel, like the pair on the House wall, it signifies Caesarean military power. The Romans called this infallible sovereign Pontifex Maximus, “Supreme Bridgebuilder.” No Roman was called Pontifex Maximus until the title was given to Julius Caesar in 48 BC. (See William Branham, An Exposition of the Seven Church Ages, p. 197). Today's Pontifex Maximus is Pope John Paul II.”

“...John Paul does not hold that title alone. He shares it with a mysterious partner, a military man, a man holding an office that has been known for more than four centuries as “Papa Nero,” the Black Pope... the House fasces represent the Black Pope, who indeed rules the world” (Tupper Saussy, Rulers of Evil

“It is not hard to understand what immense force must belong to the heads of this society, and how the general of the Jesuits could say to the Duke de Brissac: “From this room, your grace, I govern not only Paris, but China; not only China, but the whole world, and all without any one knowing how it is done” (Constitution of the Jesuits, edited by Paulin, Paris, 1843).

Here is another impression of the image to the beast. “We are told that we won the Gulf War. What is not yet perceived by the vast majority of Americans is that, in winning the war, it cost the self respect and honor of our nation. That lies rotting in the desert sands of Kuwait and Iraq, alongside the corpses of the Iraqi soldiers we butchered in the agreed retreat from Kuwait and Basra; we could not keep our word that we would abide by the Geneva Conventions and not attack them. “What do you want,” our controllers asked us, “victory or self respect? You can't have both.”

One hundred years ago, this could not have happened, but now it has happened and excites no comment. We have succumbed to the long range penetration warfare waged against this nation by Tavistock. Like the German nation, defeated by the Prudential Bombing Survey, enough of us have succumbed to make this nation the kind that totalitarian regimes of the past would have only envisaged in their dreams. “Here,” they would say, “is a nation, one of the largest in the world, that doesn't want the truth. All of our propaganda agencies can be dispensed with. We don't have to struggle to keep the truth from this nation, they have willingly rejected it  of their own volition. This nation is a pushover.”

King of kings' Bible; Isaiah 30:8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a Book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever: 30:9 That this [is] a rebellious people, lying children, children [that] will not hear The Law of the “I AM:” 30:10 Which say to the Seers, See not; and to the Prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits (lies): 30:11 Get you out of The Way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us. 30:12 Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this Word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon: 30:13 Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.

“Our once proud Republic of the United States of America became no more than a series of criminal front organizations, which history shows is always the start of totalitarianism. This is the stage of permanent alteration we were at in America as 1991 drew to a close. We live in a throw‑away society, programmed not to last. We do not even flinch at the 4 million homeless nor the 30 million jobless, nor the 15 million babies murdered thus far. They are “throw‑aways” of the Age of Aquarius, a conspiracy so damnable that, when first confronted with it, the majority will disavow its existence, rationalizing these events as “times have changed.”

“This is how the Tavistock Institute and Willis Harmon programmed us to react. Dismantling of our ideals goes on without protest. The spiritual and intellectual drive of our people has been destroyed! On May 27th, 1991, President Bush made a very profound statement, the thrust of which appears to have been totally misused by most political commentators:

“The moral dimension of American policy requires us to chart a moral course through a world of lesser evils. That is the real world, not black and white. Very few moral absolutes.” What else could we expect from a President who is most probably the most evil man ever to occupy the White House?

“Consider this in the light of his order to the military to bury alive 12,000 Iraqi soldiers. Consider this in the light of his ongoing war of genocide against the Iraqi people. President Bush was delighted to characterize President Saddam Hussein as the “Hitler of our times.” He never bothered to offer a single scrap of proof. It was not needed. Because President Bush made the statement, we accepted it without question. Consider this in the bright light of truth, that he did all of these things in the name of the American people while secretly taking his orders from the Committee of 300.”

“But, more than anything else, consider this: President Bush and his controllers feel so secure that they no longer deem it necessary to hide their evil control of the American people, or to lie about it. This is self‑evident in the statement that he, as our leader, will make all manner of compromises with truth, honesty and decency if his controllers (and ours) deem it necessary.

“On May 27th, 1991, the President of the United States abandoned each and every principle embodied in our Constitution and boldly proclaimed that he was no longer bound by it. This is a great victory for the Tavistock Institute and the Prudential Bombing Survey, whose target changed from German worker housing in 1945 to the soul of the American people in a war that began in 1946 and runs through the 1990s” (Dr. John Coleman, Conspirators' Hierarchy: The Story of The Committee of 300, p. 116‑118).

According to Eric Jon Phelps in Vatican Assassins (p. 632), “The Jesuit General has been the most powerful man in the world since Pius VII restored the Order or “Company” in 1814. Because of the Order's suppression by the Pope in 1773, the Jesuits began the Bavarian Illuminati with one of their soldiers, Adam Weishaupt. The Illuminati absorbed the Jewish House of Rothschild creating a colossus of wealth around the world, subject to the Jesuit General. With this financial arm in place the Jesuits then made war on the Vatican including the Pope, the Roman Catholic Monarchs of Europe and the Order of the Dominicans. This Inquisition and Crusade was called “the French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars”. For twenty‑five years, the Jesuit General's Masonic agents, particularly in the person of Napoleon Bonaparte, conducted  war. Bonaparte also punished the Knights of Malta, driving them from their island home to Russia.”

Clearly the Jesuits are in league with the House of Rothschild, and Napoleon was their dupe. However I believe the Rothschilds and the Council of Thirteen have mastery over “the Company.” and that it was Rothschild who engaged and financed Weishaput to revive the Illuminati. King Rothschild's secret society is more numerous and powerful than the Society of Jesus; both abhor, yet owe allegiance to Rome. At the appropriate time the Jesuits will install the man of their choice in the chair of St. Peter, as in the past they have removed incumbents who displeased them.

“The effect of Mayer Amschel Rothschild's will was to establish the kingdom of the Jews that has since been governed by his male descendants. Wherever a Jew is located, whatever nationality he may claim, he is a subject of this kingdom; his allegiance and duty to it supersedes his allegiance and duty to the country in which he dwells” (George Armstrong, Rothschild Money Trust, p.24).

“The Rothschilds govern a Christian world. Not a cabinet moves without their advice. They stretch their hand, with equal ease, from Petersburg to Vienna, from Vienna to Paris, from Paris to London, from London to Washington. Baron Rothschild, the head of the house, is the true king of Judah, the prince of the captivity, the Messiah so long looked for by this extraordinary people...The lion of the tribe of Judah, Baron Rothschild, possesses more real force than David; more wisdom than Solomon” (Anka Muhlstein, Baron James, The Rise of the French Rothschilds).

King of kings' Bible ‑ Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but [are] (Idumeans) the synagogue of Satan.

The Treaty of Paris of 1763 designated King George III “Arch‑Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire.” And “according to the Encyclopedia Judaica the Rothschilds bear the title “Guardians of the Vatican Treasury.” The Vatican Treasury, of course, holds the imperial wealth of Rome. Imperial wealth grows in proportion to its victories in war; as the Jesuit empowerment Regimini militantis ecclesiae implies, the Church‑at‑War is more necessary than the Church‑at‑Peace. According to H. Russell Robinson's illustrated Armour of Imperial Rome, Caesarean soldiers protect themselves in battle with shields painted red.

“Since the soldiery is the State's most valuable resource (the Council of Trent admitted this in preferring the Jesuits to all other religious orders), it is easy to understand why the red shield was identified with the very life of the Church. Hence, the appropriateness of the name Rothschild, German for ‘red shield.’

“The appointment of Rothschild gave the black papacy absolute financial privacy and secrecy. Who would ever search a family of orthodox Jews for the key to the wealth of the Roman Catholic Church? I believe this appointment explains why the House of Rothschild is famous for helping nations go to war. It is fascinating that, as Meyer Rothschild's sons grew into the family business, the firm took on the title Meyer Amschel Rothschild und Sohne, which gives us the notariqon MARS. Isn't Mars the Roman God of War, whose heavenly manifestation is “the red planet”? There is powerful. Cabala here, and there's hardly an acre of inhabitable earth that hasn't been affected by it in some way. (Tupper Saussy, Rulers of Evil. p. 160‑161).

“In the final words of his book The Vatican Empire, Nino Lo Bello states, “While the Vatican has remained secretive about its fiscal policy, it has never believed that the investment of Church money was either illegal, objectionable in principle, or contrary to good conscience. In seeking to resolve the conflict between that which is to be rendered to God and that which is to be rendered to Caesar, the Vatican has developed its own special modus vivendi between the sacred and the secular. The view of the pope as a kind of chairman of the board may shock some readers. But let us remember that the Vatican is a remarkable, centuries‑old institution, and that, when it comes to money, it is one that is fully in tune with the spirit of the times.”

“This writer foresees the day, perhaps a thousand years from now, when the Vatican will cease functioning as a religious institution and take up, on a full‑time basis, the duties of a large‑scale business corporation.

“The transition will not be as difficult to effectuate as one might suspect. For just as Catholicism will decline and eventually withdraw from the ranks of the major religions, so, too, will Church money find its way into nearly every area of the free world's economy. Then, at last, the tycoon on the Tiber will shed the mantle of piety; then, at last, the Vatican will expose the full extent of its financial interests” (Nino Lo Bello, The Vatican Empire, p. 185‑186).

“Rome is a beast in sheep's clothing. Her false religion is merely a “front” whereby she has disarmed the world whilst she steals the absolute power of one world government.

“The Vatican owns hundreds of banking companies in its own right but likes to maintain its funds in numbered Swiss bank accounts, one because the Swiss franc can provide protection against inflation and devaluation...the Swiss franc is guaranteed up to 130 percent by gold. So, because Switzerland's money is “hard money,” the  Vatican holds francs and exchanges them for the legal tender of another country when needed” (Ibid, pp.118‑119).

“Early in the 19th century the Pope approached the Rothschilds to borrow money. The Rothschilds were very friendly with the Pope, causing one journalist to sarcastically say “Rothschild has kissed the hand of the Pope...Order has at last been re‑established. (Derek Wilson, Rothschild: The Wealth and Power of a Dynasty, p. 101).

Researcher Eustice Mullins writes that the Rothschilds took over all the financial operations of the worldwide Catholic Church in 1823 (The Curse of Canaan, p.125). Today the large banking and financial business of the Catholic Church is an extensive system interlocked with the Rothschilds and the rest of the International Banking system. The great wealth of the Russian Czars was entrusted to the Rothschilds, $35 million with the Rothschild's of England, and $80 million in the Rothschild's Paris bank. The Rothschilds financed the Russian Revolution which confiscated vast portions of the Orthodox Church's wealth. They have been able to prevent (due to their power) the legitimate heirs of the Czars fortune to withdraw a penny of the millions deposited in a variety of their banks. The Mountbattens (aka Windsors ‑ QE2*), who are related to the Rothschilds, led the court battles to prevent the claimants from withdrawing any of the fortune.

“In other words, the money they invested in the Russian Revolution, was not only paid back directly by the Bolshevists in millions of dollars of gold, but by grabbing the huge deposits of the Czars' wealth, the Rothschilds gained what is now worth over $50 Billions (Mullins, Eustice, The World Order, p.5).

“A number of rich Catholics undertook to organize a competitor bank to rival the Rothschild power...sometime about 1830. The Rothschilds crushed it. The Jewish Encyclopedia (Vol. 2, p. 497) admits that:

“Following the failure of the Catholic bank, Union Generals, leaving the Rothschilds still more absolutely the disputed leaders of French finance, but leaving also a legacy of hatred which had much influence on the growth of the anti‑Semitic movement in France.”

    It says further:

“It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time (1905) the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure.”

If this latter statement is true the Rothschilds control in addition to their own fortune the immense liquid resource of the Catholic Church, which is second only to the Rothschilds' in wealth and power. It is probably not literally true since the private banking firm did not do commercial banking. It is likely that the papal treasure is deposited with the Bank of England or some other bank “front,” but even so it contributes to the Rothschild power” (George Armstrong, Rothschild Money Trust, p. 42).

    Thirteen families control the policy‑making and decisions of the central banks in the world's leading nations, in which they are the majority shareholders. And the US dollar is the standard against which all other currency is measured. They also control the banks which practice fractional reserve banking; sometimes without any reserve. The legal practice of the banks permits them to loan 20:1 against their deposits.

“When we look at the list of banks which cooperated with the very looters of the Vatican Bank during the looting, it reads like a roster of the banks of the Secret Empire: the Rothschilds (both Paris and London), Hambros Bank of London, J.P. Morgan, Marine Midland, Lloyds, National Westminster, the Morgan Guaranty, Banker's Trust, Chase Manhattan, Continental Illinois...etc. What! The Secret Empire co‑operating to loot the world banking system? That makes no sense!

“But it was not the Secret Empire banks which suffered the big losses. It was the depositors and stockholders of all the banks swindled. Any losses were deducted against taxes, swindling the taxpayers. And the Vatican later agreed to pay $250 million in exchange for being released from any culpability by the world banking system, which, of course, was paid by the humble, faithful flock...the looting of the Vatican Bank...could not have been carried out without the co‑operation of the international bankers...” (Cushman Cunningham, The Secret Empire, p. 317, 586).

Meanwhile, Americans sit themselves before the television set and simply absorb what it projects to them. The three major networks which are under Rothschild direction.